Mr Rocky. Thanks for speaking to us. Lots of for legal issues that we're going to be confronting now as this Storey develops. We've all been here before, but just explained to us very simply what the anti defection law means in this situation. The Shiv Sena has 55 MB lass. If 37 of them breakaway, is our reading correct? That that would then are, you know, not far fall foul of the anti defection law and that can be declared as a separate party or merged with another party in the assembly. Is that correct? That's correct. The anti defection or requires a minimum of two third of a party to defect or go away, either as a separate group or merged with another party, but two thirds is required. Otherwise they will face anti defection lawns. You must understand that in the parliamentary democracy, broadly, what is required is a majority majority rules to if majority runes, a second rune along with majority, is minimum two thirds breaking away enjoining somewhere Els. If that is so, then there is no problem of the people who will go over to to another party, etcetera. They will not face any anti defection penalties and see ultimately, if a party is unable to keep its flock together. Do to defection. I have been due to us a unhappiness between members at set. Then your democracy requires that these these things happen. People go from one to another. But as you rightly said, that two thirds is required at if two thirds of 55 is broadly 37 in 37 Bo, then obviously the current government must gracefully give way and allow a democratic process to function so that another group with the required majority of the floor of the house to come one more thing I want ultimately, majority is to be tested on the floor of the house. No, where else? Merely because 37 people say we have gone away or not gonna there we have want to. The government is not good enough. The ultimate litmus test is on the floor of the house. The speaker will have to call the emergent session, and their session will have should have only one agenda, namely to find that as the government has lost majority of the floor of the house or not, right but Mister. What happens if, as was, was being anticipated earlier today, that if you'd of Thackeray was to actually accept Okay, he doesn't have the numbers. He decides to resign, and he recommends to the governor the dissolution of the assembly. Is the governor bound to listen to that advice, or can the governor still insist on a floor test? The governor can insist on a floor test because there are certain situations which had envisaged a bubble constitution, where the government must decide by applying is independent mind and not merely act on the aid and advice of the Council of Ministers. Because in such a situation like this, the views of the Council of Ministers is likely to be pious and not unbiased. And therefore the governor must decide if he finds that he has a list of 57 members who claim and swear that they want to go away from the banner of the ruling party. Then he can jolly will ask the speaker, summon a session and ask the government to prove majority for do that. The opposition also gets a rise to their majority and therefore come in the governor. Now let's say there is a floor test again. We just want to understand how the process works. You'd of Thackeray loses that floor test. Then, of course, the governor is well within his rights to call another formation. That that stakes claim with numbers is that correct? So, technically, it could be the BJP and this new Shiv Sena yank, of course, in Candy. And I mean, that's how it normally happens. But we have seen and I have done several cases in the past. They're on. Fortunately, in some cases, the speaker has not acted the independent person and, you know, acts as the person of the party be belong, and either dozen calls the session or delays the session. I mean, I saw it when I was a conscience for BJP in Bangalore about 23 years ago that the speaker who is not compensation, we have to move the Supreme Court. And finally, the session was more. I hope such ugly insurance don't occur, and the speaker is a person who holds a very, very I position in a parliamentary democracy is supposed to be embarrassed. And if you find that there is a turmoil, the best faced college station so that the turmoil ends on the floor of the house. I repeat only on the floor of the house, Mr Rocky. Finally, what happens when you have, you know, different leaders claiming that they are the real Shiv Sena in this case would've Thackeray and now the rebel leader, Mr Ik Nath Shinde, who says that actually his faction is the real Sina who adjudicates that. Who decides that Does that also have to be decided by the speaker or by the election commission? What happens? The most immediate and important thing is whether the government has lost majority. Can't have a situation where there is no government governor's rule of president Spoon is the last auction. It's not a preferred option in a parliamentary democracy. Therefore, the floor of the house first a vote of confidence or no confidence as human college take place a government informed as to who has the right to a symbol who doesn't ever like symbol. The is there and the decide and after the the courts will decide. But that is a second step. It is not the first right, Mr Ravi, thank you very much for giving us that important legal perspective because this could end up being quite a long haul as well. Thank you very much for joining us.
