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I agree with you.

What justice? Has justice ever been served in this country? Criminals are in parliament. Some of them are even ministers. A person attacking parliament is being saved by the Govt.

Good morning friends. Have you voted for Taj? If not, then it is a reminder to you. Voting ends today (07/07/07). VOTE FOR YOUR LOVE / VOTE FOR TAJ

Afzal has been convicted for his crimes against Indian state by the highest court of this country. Bringing his religion and Kashmir in this case is equally anti-Indian. People like you give a bad image to Muslims in India. Such messages only provide grounds for accusing all Muslims as lacking in loyalty towards India.

Communal clshes are a result of the tension created by politicians. Their visits will only increase this tension. In case of any communal riot, all politicians should be picked up and isolated from people, police and administration. This should be irrespective of their parties. Ministers also should not be allowed to go near the scene.

Why not say all politicians?

What you say is absolutely right, but the problem is that all secular forces are practicing this nonsense and anybody opposing this nonsense is termed as communal.

SC has punished Zahira. Now it the turn of other hostile witnesses.

I share your concern, the genuine hurt at what is happening in out country. I firmly believe that your daughter, like any other children of India deserves the best. They deserve to be responsible citizens of India of our dreams. They should not be left to live in one of the poorest, one of the corrupt and one of the backward nation in the world like we all do. I have always believed that nothing will come out of criticizing others. We should improve ourselves. We should work as role models for our children. i have al

Society should work to create equal opportunities. It will in turn create equality.

Whether a person is a Hindu or a Buddhist is of no importance to me. He should be happy within his or her religion. You say dalits are Buddhists. That is OK for me. Now will it not be better to be a good Buddhist and stop abusing Hindus and their religious icons? The little I know about Buddhism, it does not teach hate and it does not expect its followers to abuse other religion.

Nice messages posted on the board. It makes a nice reading. It re-generates hope and faith in India' tomorrow.

Yes, it is everybody's responsibility. And like you say, electing proper representatives to assembly/parliament is very important.

Yes, I support you on this.

I share your aspirations.

They failed to do because they did not want to and did not try honestly and sincerely. But if people want to improv they can do it. At least a beginning will be made.

I will agree that people belonging to older generations did not perform their duties and did not discharge their responsibilities in the desired manner. And I belong to that generation. But now I am trying to do what I did not do earlier. Believe me India has a very bright future. And the reason is very simple. Younger people are free of many age old prejudices and are really proud of their country.

My grandmother had her own utensils. She will clean them herself. No body was allowed to touch them. No body was also allowed to enter the kitchen. Who was upper caste and who was dalit in our home?

Everybody has the same opinion that commitment to equity is not appeasement. What people call appeasement is saying that Muslim minority has first claim. Mr. Manmohan Singh said it with a specific purpose in mind and to send a pointed message to Muslim minority. That is appeasement. Then asking banks to give minority loans. Then further asking Govt, PSUs and other organizations to recruit Muslims. Yes, different laws for Muslims is appeasement. Giving Haj subsidy is appeasement. All this Muslim appeasement is worst form of communalism. Now Mr. Manmohan Singh has dragged name of Nataji in to his Muslim appeasement agenda. This is yet another form of Muslim appeasement.

I have also been asking this question but never got an answer.

Yes, tagging a particular community for all ills in the society is wrong. Only Hindus are blamed for atrocities on dalits. Does it mean that dalits never torment each other? Also do Muslims and Christians not torment dalits.

This will not be the first time for congress. In 1947 it created Pakistan out of India because of wrong policies and personal selfish interests of its leaders.

You call it reality Mr. Ajaycwhdory! Present Indian govrnment is led by more dalit leaders than upper caste Hindus. You use terms like 'Hindu toilet papers' & 'born barbaric' but claim that these are not hate filled posts.

An elderly man has written a letter to the editor of The Express-Times of Easton about Saddam's execution that "they have hanged the wrong man"?

You are right. No body is above the law of Karma.

Yes, I always believed that Dr Ambedkar never taught their grand sons and doughters to hate. He was a person of high stature. This is why I always wonder why dalits hate Hndus and then claim that they are the followers of Dr. Ambedkar. Caste hindus are not against dalits but are against the divisive policies of these dirty politicians. They fully support any positive iniiative to give dalits social and economocal equality.

I agree with your analysis.

A large majority of Indians supported her but she let them down by reversing her statement. She might be having certain compulsons but she did not respect the feelings of her supporters. By the way what are your plans for your next birth? Which country you have selected?

Sorry friend, but I did not know calling a question as foolish is indecent. I stand corrected.

From January 29,Bihar will have a helpline on RTI. It will help the people to file applicaions under RTI Act. From the details as given by Bihar Govt it will be a real help.

Many private channels have worked overtime to oppose the proposed amendment to RTI Act. They project themselves as the champions of peoples' right to information movement. But in their own house they do not part with any information. I have written many letters to a channel seeking some information but have not received even an acknowledgement. A clear case of double standards. Doosro ko nasihat par khud miyan fazihat.

It is sad to learn that Supreme Court, UPSC, CBI and Delhi Metro are asking for exemption from RTI Act. Don't they believe in transparent working? By illogically insisting on exemption they will loose the respect of the people.

Let me say what I believe in. We need not search love and compassion. It is within us. We should search within us and when we find it, we should let it come out. We will then find love and compassion everywhere. Now about darshan of Gods and Goddesses. I do not go to temples for having darshan. If a temple does not allow entry to all human beings then in my opinion it is not a temple. Gods and Goddesses will not be found in such buildings. I have a small temple in my house. I also see my heart as a temple. Every moment I have darshan of Gods and Goddesses.

Do you mean to say that Dr Ambedkar taught you to hate? No, Mr. Ajaycwhdory, it is difficult to accept your argument. Dr Ambedkar might have had negative views about Hindus and Hinduism but a man of his stature can not ask his followers to hate. Hate is ungodly, and I am sure he was a religious person.

Students will talk for student community. There should be a mechnism for interacting with management on the problems and other issues related to sudents. Union is one such mechanism. There can be Management-Student coordinating committees. But outside political interference should not be allowed.

Rani Mukherjee is right when she says, 'just because one or two people are racist, it doesn't make the whole country bad', but she is wrong in her implication. No body said that UK as a nation is racist. It is her own assumption. About you feeling sorry about all the Indians sitting in India making really disgusting comments about the racism row,I would say that racism is a real problem in UK. One can not deny that. And Indians are right in condeming it.

I think saying 'what racism' will not do. The issue is very much there. Only Shilpa is out of it.

At least there is some satisfaction that we concentrated on racism against people of asian orgin and discussed the issue in its wider perspective. The same stand has been taken by British Government and other British leaders. Indian Govt also took that stand. The issue is still alive. Only change is that there is no Shilpa in the middle of it.

I agree with you that she should be exiled to the abyss of the oceans. But please don't generalise her wrong act to include all Indians.

I believe that showing mercy on the enemies of the nation and killers of innocent people is not nationalism.

Such tacit support embolden terrorists to kill more innocent people. JohnSethu, will you speak in the same tone if after his release he kills one of you? Any how do you say that Muslim brothers will be won over by freeing him? Is he a terrorist or a muslim terrorist?

I fully agree with you. Alow me to make a correction - 'He should not be spared at any cost'.

Very well said.

The hurt she has caused to her supporters shows weakness of her character.

What a foolish question? Who else should be blamed, the vicims or their family members or the people?

But now she has encashed her abuse.

I share your hurt Mr. Rajaye_Hind.

Yes, people who came out in her support have been cheated by this shameless actress.

Yes, I fully agree with you.

Yes, she has embaressed not only her supporters but Indian Govrnment as well.

Somewhere I read, "STAR TV is run by an Australian, who is supported by St.Peters Pontificial Church, Melbourne".

It is no more shocking as now shilpa says that she was not ill treated.

Yes, Dr. Ambedkar, if he was alive today, will hang his head in shame on these hate filled messages being posted as being motivated by his thoughts.

You are right that crime and perversion sees no caste, creed or even gender. It is an outcome of greed and hate. Blaming entire Hindu community for such inhuman acts is itelf an outcome of hate.

Hinduism does not preach racism or casteism. The more I introspect, the more I become proud of my religon, the only religion which preaches love and compassion for all human beings. Remove your hate-glasses and you will see love.

Realiy does not bite. The hate bites. Look at it as an inhuman act of killing of human beings. Don't put tags on them. You are not helping anybody by your hate filled posts against the entire Hindu community.

These hate filled posts, what you think will get you?

And which religion, which country, which society you belong to Mr. Ajaycwhdory? From your posts I find that you have come to this board with a hate agenda.

Mr. Radhikarajen, what you say is correct, but the issue of Shilpa is different. Here she had cried of racist attack, people come out in support of her, then suddenly she turns-around and says that no racist remarks were made.

Enough time and energy has been spent in favour and against Shilpa and her hurt and then her restored pride. It is time people stop this discussion. It is not worth, especially now with Shilpa saying that no racist remarks were made against her.

With Shilpa's turn around, her support has also taken a turn-around. Now majority of board members are feeling as cheated by her. She has lost a good and sound support.

To whom you are trying to humour? It is sad that top leaders in UK do not agree with you. And as far as Indians in UK are concerned who can be the better judge other than an Indian?

That shows that she is not only a bad actress but also a bad person.

If what you say is true then it is bad on her part. She should not play with the sentiments of those who have come forward in her support. The issue has developed in to a case of racism.

But should we stop condemning racism because people of Shilpa's stature treat other people(fellow Indians) as bad as possible as a matter of nature(due to caste, stature, language and class differences)? Did those people making racist remarks against shilpa knew about how Shilpa treats other people? I think we should condemn both.

Will you please post the details of the changed version?

Protest aginst the financial scandal of the politicians, beuaracrats and so called intellectuals - is this the primary objective of student union?

You are right. Student unions having political affiliation loose any relevnce to students' cause and bocome mere tools for politicians to serve their vested interests. Student unions should be allowed only on the condition that they will not have any political afiliation.

You better ask governments of India and UK about what "racism" they are talking about.

There is nothing funny in this matter. Everybody should condemn this racist attack and every such attack at any time and at any place. Shilpa is only a person involved at his time. Anybody of asian origin could have been involved.

You are right my dear friend. It is a matter of Indians' dignity in the foreign land. I am surprised that some people on the board are lokking at this issue with a narrow mindset.

I fully agree with your views. Everyone should comdemn this racism against people of asian origin.

You are right Mr. Rajaye-Hind.

The issue is being seen in right and wider perspective, racism against people of asian origin.

I think you are right. Such attacks come from those who feel inferior and take out their frustration by abusing others.

It is really unfortunate that some people start posting hate-Hindu messages on every issue. Racist attacks are directed towards people of asian origin.

You are right that we should condemn racism in its every form,everywhere and always. No doubt, media picks up cases only when celebrities are involved, but it gives an opportunity to condemn racism.

You have written a lenghy message Mr. Piri. But the issue is being seen in a wider perspective, racist attack on a person of Asian origin.

You are free my dear to care or not to care.

I don't understand this thought process. Why should she leave? She should fight against the racist attack. Others can fight or do not fight with her depending on whether they feel enraged on such treatment or not. Should people fight for her when she gives a penny to them?

You may be right but Indian and British Governments do not seem to agree with you.

Do you have to use such offensive language to put forward your views?

I agree with A. M. Hans, When he writes to TOI (in response to its editorial - Teri Ganga Maili)that belittling Hindus has become the pet cause of English media. How can only Hindus be held responsible for pollution of rivers, and for filth and garbage all around in our cities and towns? It is not correct to convert matters concerning the entire country into a chance for finding faults with the people of a particular community, the Hindus.

NOIDA SSP Rathore has said that police could not search all the places and with all required precision because of law and order problem created because of peoples' agitation.

This is the reality. Everybody in Shashan knows it but nobody is ready to do anything for a permanent solution of this problem.

CBI is investigating the case. Let us wait for its report.

I posted a reply but it did not appear on board.

You are right dear friend. For Srilanka mess Riajiv Gandhi paid with his life. Gate crashing in Islamic conference was really shameful. It resulted in only insult to our nation.And how can you expect secular Indian Govt sending a delegation to world Hindu conference?

The enire country condemned it. But I am proud that Indian soldiers acted in a dignified manner. They did not deal with dead bodies of enemy soldiers in an undignified manner.

Here I agree with you. Not only India but every nation should condemn any acts of agression. Also every counry should comply with international laws. Saddam and US both disregarded international opinion.

That part of execution was wrong and it certainly deserve condemnation.

You are right Mr. Dinesh. Being neutral does not mean 'not being concerned about human issues'. Saddam violated human rights of other human beings and in the act he was caught and then other human beings did not bother about his human rights. Don't you think it is give and take? Saddam received same treatment which he gave to others.

You are welcome to your point of view Mr. Dinesh. But the issue you raised was about some in-human act and Saddam deserving better treatment. Can you give some details?

You are right that current police officers have been trying to hide facts and cover their butts. Lot of evidence has already been tempered or lost. Now when the investigation has been handed over to CBI, they will sure feel handicapped.

Are only police being blamed? Survival of UP Govt is at stake.

Yes, we should clean up our country first before trying to tidy up others. Improvement starts with 'I'.

Yes, we are always ready to burn our hands in other peoples' fire and leave our own fires unattended.

I will like to answer but for that you will have to elaborate on - which act was inhuman and what better treatment Saddam deserved?

Every system will collapse if it is not monitored and reviewed at regular intervals, and examined to determine root cause and apply corrections whenever a problem occurs. All institutional systems in India are being implemented in a unsystematic manner.

It seems so, at least from media reports.

No right thinking person will disagree with what you say.

It is unfortunate but in reality what you say is right.

I share your and Sharad's concern. CBI certainly has a difficlt task at its hands. UP police has done its best to ensure that high profile people can get away.

I was shocked to read this news. Let us see what comes out of their narco analysis.

They should be tried for their crimes.

What, as per rules, is the basis for a state government to request center to hand over a particular case to CBI?

I share your anguish expressed in your message.

As per a news item, people are still going missing in Noida. In the last one week, after the Nithari killings came to lights, as many as six missing persons complaints have been reported in the area. However, senior officers of the Noida Police said they had become more cautious. Every complaint is being looked into, and a case is being registered wherever necessary, they said.

You are right. What is happening today is the result of a negative mindset. Some people think that they are supirior to some other people, and this gives them a right to manipulate others' lives.

Has any police station been certified as per ISO 9001 standard?

So says Iraqi PM. He has threatened to 'review' relations with countries, which have criticized the execution and failed to respect the wish of the Iraqi people.

Being international without being national.

You have mixed up many issues in one post. You are right that nobody has any right to kill anybody. But there are people who kill others. The society has made laws, approved by majority, to deal with (punish) such people. Saddam killed many people and he was punished.

In reference to Saddam, who created the circumstances and who was supposed to eradicate those circumstances.

I think they understand the dictators and terrorists very well, but such people always have sympathy for those who don't have any concern for the lives of common people. Perhaps they see their own image in dictators and terrorists.

A nice sob story Mr.Radhikarajen. But these human thoughts come out only when a Muslim is killed. If punishment for crime is not a deterrent to crime, then why have courts and criminal procedure codes?

Did USA really get away cheaply? Count dollors spent and soldiers killed. Some people are crying over Saddam. No body has cried over these US soldiers and Iraqi people. Why send a judge from lalooland? Why not Laloo himself? We Indians should not claim a monopoly on great people like Laloo. UPA Govt should send him to all the countries for turning around their loss making enterprises.

CM Yadav was in Delhi but did not visit Nithari. His brother visited Nithari and gave a clean chit to Noida cops. Now his Govt should immediately reinstate suspended cops and reward them with UP Ratna. These two politician brothers have created a record of making the most insensitive (inhuman) statement of the decade.

Your suggestions can be implemented when there is no mela. During mela there is so much rush that people are allowed only one dip, and you are talking of children allowed to play in water.

No,it can not be done at such a short notice. It is a long term project.Take the case of Yamuna. Crores have been spent but the pollution is increasing.

I don't think Noida police deserve any credit. They only deserve dismissal and action against them for criminal dereliction of duty. As per a news item, many retired senior police officers are of this view.

Thank you Mr.Pandey for a highly thought provoking article. I an sure NDTV will take up the issues raised by you in an appropriate manner with concerned authorities. We, member of the discussion board, feel the same way and are trying to do our bit to secure justice for the vicims and their families.

You wrote a nice post on the topic. Then suddenly you went off the track and started talking about NDDB. Is something wrong?

What is there to be surprised about. He must be close to the power.

UP PWD Minister Shiv Pal Yadav,brother of CM Mulayam Singh Yadav has said that "Such incidents happen in every state, but in this case we were able to expose it". So it was ruling Yadav family who exposed these killings.

They ignored it because children belonged to poor parents.

The issue relates to pollution of Ganga water and whether all sins will be washed away by taking bath in Ganga water. It is nice that you want to educate uneducated people on these issues. I wish you all success.

Industries are law-bound to treat hazardous waste. As environmntal laws are not being enforced with sincerity of purpose, the industries discharge hazardous waste in river streams without effecively treating it.

A large majority in Iraq is happy at the execution of Saddam. Will it not be against the will of Iraqi people and an interference in Iraq's internal affairs, if government of another country criticizes the execution?

Some people in India are crying over hanging of Saddam. It is nothing new. These people always cry whenever a Muslim terrorist or a criminal is killed. To win Muslim votes congress and other communally-secular parties also cry. As the government at center is headed by congress the UPA government is also crying.

Yes, what you say is right.

India's Chief Justice-designate K G Balakrishnan has emphasized the need for witness protection. When asked about the corruption in the judiciary, Balakrishnan pointed out that it was difficult to detect corruption in the system. "What is worrying is that people have started thinking that justice can be purchased. It is difficult to detect corruption in the judicial system but if there are doubts about the integrity of a person then he should not be appointed as a judge at all," he maintained. The CJI-designate also clarified his stand on the judiciary versus Parliament debate, which has raked in a lot of controversy. "There is no confrontation between the two but common man may perceive it as confrontation. Some orders or decisions of this court may be interpreted as confrontation but it is not so," he added. When pointed out that some Members of Parliament (MP's) have been referring to it as confrontation, he blamed it on lack of legal knowledge. "MP's are not legally well informed when they make such statements. There may be some orders that MP's don't like, but nothing can be done about it," he said.

When asked, 'why another inquiry?', UPA Minister Renuka Choudhary said- "Even if we constitute ten inquiries to come to the root of this and if we can take preventive steps to see that no other child ever suffers like this, I think it is okay to have the inquiry". Madam Minister, is it 'to come to the root of this' or a political trick. Afterall UP elections are near.

Poor voiceless people whose life is not worth a paise for police and politicians. Noida police not only did not take any action on their complaints but made fun of them that their daughters have run away with their boy friends. Shame, shame, shame .........

There has been a widespread support from across the country for the victims and their families. In Varanasi, there was a candlelight tribute for the children who were killed, and in Kanpur, hundreds of children along with their parents took to the streets. Protesters also shouted slogans for speedy delivery of justice in the case.

The Noida police are investigating. They have told NDTV that the CBI's advice has also been taken. NHRC and the NCW are already looking into the case.Centre has ordered a probe headed by Secretary of the Ministry of Women and Child Development. UP CM has also constituted a two-member committee comprising Secretary (Home) and ADG (law and order). See the opportunistic stands by these agencies. Earlier, for years, Noida police either did not register FIR or did not take any action on registered FIR. Now everybody seems to be overactive in probing the killings.

Pollution in any river is harmfull to people taking bath in river water or using it for drinking purposes. In any case nothing can be done at such short notice except completely stopping industrial discharge into the river along its way from himalayas, during the period of Ardh Kumbha.

Now the Centre has ordered a probe into the Noida killings headed by Manjula Krishnan, Secretary of the Ministry of Women and Child Development.The probe will have to submit a report in 15 days. The ground for SC declining to order a CBI probe was that the state police, NHRC and NCW are already looking into the case. UP CM said that he is not opposed to a CBI probe. What may be the provocation for center to order another probe?

Yes, I agree with Mr. Arun's and your views. Those who live by violence die by violence. These self-declared champions of secularism and democracy cry for Afzal but not for Santosh Singh, killer of Priyadarshini Mattoo. Santosh Singh should be hanged because he is a Hindu but Afzal should be set free because he is a Muslim.

It is asking too much of politicians to own up responsibility and resign. Several politicians have done a round of the Nithari village blasting the state administration and the police. But UP CM Mulayam Singh Yadav is staying away because of, what in political circles is called, the Noida Jinx. Politicians believe that the CM who comes to Noida loses power.

Supreme Court has declined to order a CBI probe into the Noida serial killings. A two-judge bench headed by Chief Justice of India Y K Sabharwal said that the state police, the National Human Rights Commission and the National Commission for Women are already looking into the case. Learned judges must have had their reasons for not asking CBI to probe the killings. But it is the same police which did not bother about missing children of poor people. I don't know what investigations NHRC and NCW carry out except asking state government to submit reports.

Yes, you are right.

Portraying Saddam as a hero of Muslims is definitely wrong. But Indian media and secularists have always been behaving in this manner. And let us not forget congress and supporting parties in UPA Govt. See the case of Afzal.

How do you say that upper class Indians are not feeling pain of those who have lost their children NOIDA killings? Members on this board, activists and media personnel do not come from lower class.

Expressing concern over the serial killings in Noida, the Chief Justice of India Designate KG Balakrishnan has said that the case must be probed thoroughly.The NHRC has also issued notices to the chief secretary of Uttar Pradesh.As police itself is suspect in this case, the investigation should be handed over to CBI.

The concept, as I see it, is to sacrifice something very dear like a son. A camel owned by someone (not bought for sacrifice) for travel in desert can be considered very dear. Goat can not be considered as dear as son or camel. The concept is lost but the pracice continues. There is no sacrifice. It is only a ritual.

This callous attitude (dereliction of duty) of police is largely responsible for killings of innocent children. If they had acted, the way police should act, lives of many childten would have been saved. Harsh punishmnt should be given to guilty policemen.

Saddam has been punished and executed for his own crimes. What US has done is another matter. It is wrong to make a martyr out of Saddam who ordered kiling of many people, and which he has accepted in the court.

The problem is that in India they have to appease Muslims, which is not a part of China policy.

Those hell bent on implementtion of 27% reservation belong to old generaton. They have lived their life. But before they go, they want to ensure that the younger generation is divided and remains divided. Perhaps by doing this they will fulfill the purpose of their life.

Peacefull co-existence.

They may be "organized groups of minorities", but against divided majority they are one, and also supported by some groups of majority.

I fully agree with your views. "Don't give up and keep going" should be the mantra of Indian people.

The problem is that what he says are taken as the views of the Prime Minister of India. That is why he needs to be very very carefull while speaking.

A natural reacton on the part of those who are dishonest and not sincere in their jobs, and are afraid that their misdeeds will become public under RTI. They should be dealt with under the law.

Yes, RTI has brought transparency to the system as never before. Let us work to achieve more and more transparency in every aspect of our day-to-day life.

Politicians can exploit people only when people allow them to do so. It is unfortunate that people get carried away by emotional appeals of politicians and get in a position where they can be exloited. If only people guard their interests well the situation will be different.

I appreciate relentless efforts of Arvind Kejriwal and his likes.I also thank them and hope that they will continue their efforts.

And if some frog wants to learn and tries to get out of the well other frogs pull him down. The ghetto mentality.

You are right but population explosion has put quantity before quality.

Sorry, I don't intend to deflect the topic matter. May be what I am saying is not directly relevant to your topic. Yes, religious matters and social movements stand on different footings. I am just going a step further that people should not convert social movements in to religions.

What you are saying Mr. Flash, people are already doing it. I have seen a building on which is written - 'Ambedkar Temple'.

In leaderless India, he has introduced a term which will be misused by politicians as per their convenience. India is already burdened with various terms like, secularim, affirmative action, raj dharma. These people are champion conflict creators.

I think it is right. What public opinion did was to balance the pressure put up by other side and under which all accused were set fre. If there was no public pressure, do you think these cases would have ever reached this conclusion?

What is there to debate? Public opinion balances the pressure put up by other side on invesigating agencies, witnesses and judiciary.

You are right.

Afzal's hanging has already been postponed. As per Patil for minimum seven years.During this period he might join congress and become the Home Minister.

Not always. During emergency, SC supported Govt decision to suspend citizens's right to life.

Indian Govt under congress requested them but they did not bother and hanged Saddam. In India the congress will now go to Muslims to beg for their votes bragging about this request.

Those who executed Saddam don't follow the policy of Muslim appeasement.

Let us see what happens.

This is the view I am putting forward. Why some social reformers converted their movements in to new religions? Was it really necessary? If social movements of Kabir, Dayanand Saraswati, Raja Ram Mohan Rai had also converted in to new religions, the world would have many more religions.

I don't understand. Twice I posted that in Delhi also people can enclose Postal Order with their application under RTI Act. But it has not appeared on the board. What reservation NDTV is having on this issue?

RTI tool is reaching areas which were not even thought of. The real empowerment of people.

The power of information is becoming more and more evident.Please keep providing such information.

I think the entire report is made to order to give an excuse to PM to sing minority tune. It was not at all necessary. He wanted to give first right to Muslims. Faced with stiff opposition he now talks of equal share. For giving equal share to Muslims he does not need a committee. Constitution already provides for that.

Is Govt. denying this information as it may expose the politics behind appointment of Sachar Committee by PM? The recent news is that in seven states literacy rate of Muslims is more than other religious groups.

File an applicaton under RTI Act. If IT people give you the same reason, then file an appeal.

Ponder yes, but who has the time?

WB Govt must be having some rehabilitation plans for them.

She should thank the President for giving her an way out.

She has now called off her fast but insists that the agitation will continue. It seems the lady has undertaken fast on an issue which could not get her any political advantage.Another wrong political move!!

PM had earlier said that muslims have 'first claim to resources'. Now he says that muslims deserve equal share in deveopment, but not at the expense of others. Is he trying to correct himself or is it another trick of minority appeasement? I think it is the later.

Degrees make people educated but not necessarily qualify them for the job they undertake. For this they have to work with honesty and sincerity. There are many educated people in politics but they do not qualify for the job thay are handling. But it is necessary that a minimum education is prescribed for members of elected bodies.And as far as Mr. Kamraj is concerned there are always exceptions.

Let Bhutan set standards for India, the largest democracy.

I support your views. The empowerment is the answer. Dalits should self-empower themselves by productively using whatever resources are available and with this empowerment they should move ahead for more empowerment. This should be an exercise of continual improvement. They should assert themselves as a part of the community. Running away or hating other sections of the community will only deplete their strength.

A good post. I agree with what you say. But I differ on one point. Discrimination can not be a part of any religion.Discrimination is in the minds of the people. Did paster wanted Rs. 250 and closed church doors on those who could not pay, beacuse it is mandated by christian religion? Or was it a result of his personal greed?

Thanks for such good information. Please keep it up.You are doing a good job.

Good information. Thanks to Commodore Lokesh.K.Batra (Retd.) and Suraksha. Other states should also follow this. It will sure make procedure to file application easy.

There is nothing confidential in question papers of past exams and model answers to applicants.It will help applicants in preparing for the exam. The Information Commission has taken a right decision in ordering the UGC to provide this onformation.

People are warming up to their new found empowerment tool.

A step in the right direction.

Yes, it needs a closer examination.

Yes, the right and the responsibility.

Yes, that is right.

Sikhism and Islam.

Role play of politicians/activists and terrorists.

Building a society of values, yes, but some of them started new religions.

Now they do it all the time.

You are right. BJP top leadership is totally confused, and it has made everybody in BJP confused. This sorry state of main opposition is not good for the country.

Such cases will give necessary boost to and belief in the effectiveness of RTI Act.

A good news. This will sure make the process very easy. When they are going to start it?

You are absolutely right Mr. Rajaye-Hind.

Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year to Arvind Kejriwal, you and Suraksha, other activists, members of this board and amny other unknown Indians who are giving their support to this remarkable law.

First let us find out who this SIC is, a serving or retired babu or from some other field? What RTI Act says on this?

I am a Hindu, but people should see me as a person.

The battle continues, but the people should keep fighting.

To be credible and look credible, an organization has to be transparent. RTI Act helps in this. The behaviour of commission and its chairman shows that there is something wrong in its working. An honest and transparent organization will not hesitate in sharing information and cooperate with any investigation, as these tools will prove its credibility.

Yeh to hona hi tha. Corrupt babus will not give up so easily. Judiciary at this stage should protect the peoples' right to information. It is good that designate CJI favours this act and respect right to information.

It is shameful behaviour. The Commissioner should be removed. Is he a retired or serving babu? If yes, then it is once again proved that retired or serving babus should not be appointed to these positions under RTI Act. Now what is the course available for Hitender Jain? He should pursue the case to its logical conclusion. Thanks to him for what he is doing for RTI Act.

As PM he is the leader of entire nation and not of only those states which are under congress rule. It is unfortunate that he is not able to rise above petty party politics. It is a fact that he started as representative of Sonia Gandhi but people have accepted him as PM, and now it is his duty that he should not compromise the positon of PM of India by continuing working as Sonia's representative.

The more I read about RTI Act, I feel more and more empowered.

I was also surprised to read this. What is going on in his mind?

Using the phrase 'first Dalit to be named the chief justice of India' gives an impression that he was designated as CJI because he is a dalit. The fact is that he is the seniormost judge of SC and has a very good record. He himself and media are over-emphasizing on his being dalit. I do't understand why?

RTI Act is displaying its power. It is good.

Atrocities on dalits has become a hot topic these days. Every issue is being blown out of proportion. Government, politicians, media, activists, all are contributing to it. Everybody has a self-interest in this campaign. The situation will worsen further seeing UP elections are near.

Has he been designated as CJI, beacuse he is the senior-most judge in SC and he is an able judge, or because he is a dalit?

You have got it wrong. The causer here is the Atman and not Parmatman. Permatman is beyond cause and effect.

A very good post. A thought, can RTI be used to nail politicians on their agenda of spreading communal hatred? It is interesting that minority for the purpose of the NCM Act, means �a community notified as such by the Central Government�, but what is the criteria to be followed by the Central Government to notify a community as a minoriy communiy?

Yes, a good news & victory for all RTI actvists and also the general public.

Three cheers for Gunraj Singh.

Thanks to Dhar, people may know the truth. He should certainly take up the matter with the Central Information Commission.

A very good decision.

Details are there for everybody to see.

Very true.

Don't use such words. What I said is a fact. You may agree or you may not.

I agree with what you say.

And I answered that question, See my post of December 18.

Center of the creation. Mr. Flash, I thought you were following the discussion with all sincrity. But now I notice an element of casualness in your attitude.Discusions on religion can not be held so casually. Let us stop it.

In a frank admission, Delhi High Court judges R.S. Sodhi and P.K. Bhasin admitted that acquittal of all the accused in Jessica Lall's murder had shaken people's faith in judiciary. 'We are of the view that this case is one that has shaken the confidence of the society in the country's criminal justice delivery system,' said judges. I hope that all other judges share this view.

Thanks for cautioning people. No phone numbers, only e-mail or mailing address.

This is good news.

A ggod decision. Now I want to see that fine is actually deducted from PIO's salary and deposited in the municipal fund.

CIC's comments are welcome. I am looking forward to first case of penal action against a PIO for denial of, or for delay in, providing information.

Is a proposal being submitted to the Govt for making above changes in RTI Act?

Yes, Anna Hazare's demand is correct. More information commissioners should be appointed for speedy disposal of the appeals, and no former or present bureaucrat should be appointed as public information officer.

No body is afraid of quotas. They are opposed to quotas. People here want dalits to be empowered so that they get admission for higher studies and jobs on their merits.If denying the share is considered then blame creamy layer.

Mr. moosah, you got it wrong. Members on this board are not nursing any hatred towards dalits. They believe in equality. They are hurt because even after 60 years, a large section of dalits remain unaffected by quotas. They are hurt because politicians are only interested in dalit votes and not their betterment. They are hurt because dalits are not being empowered but are being made more and more dependent on short-term quota policies and programmes. Because of this, they oppose quotas and call for other alternative schemes to empower dalits.

The causer is at the center.

People become good or bad by their actions. But a person can certainly rise above this duality.

It has no beginning and no end. If anything changes with time, place and situation it will not be called Sanatan. I don't know which scriptures say that Sanatan Dharma changes as per times,places,situations and people.

Which question Mr. Flash?

I don't remember exact details, but sometime back SC clarified that life term means imprisonment for entire life.

As per today's news, Delhi High Court meanwhile, issued notices to all hostile witnesses in the Jessica Lall murder case.A Bench comprising Justice R S Sodhi and Justice P K Bhasin issued show cause notices to 29 witnesses, who had turned hostile during the trial of the case.They have been directed to appear before the court on February 1, 2007. Will Shayan Munshi and others be punished as Zahira Sheikh?

Quotas have only bred inefficiency. When a person gets something without actually working for it, he looses every interest in working for it. On the other hand competition helps societies grow. Here everybody is putting in his or her best. There will be no need of quotas if children are given good education irrespective of their caste and creed.

The first target is UP election. Politicians have made Muslim community a liability on Indian society and nation. The unfortunate part is that a large section of Muslim community are looking at it as means to better their lot. No community can develop on alms.

I don't think there was any such feeling in the minds of judges. They examined the evidence purely on law and pronounced their judgement.

After court pronounced Manu Sharma guilty of murder of Jessica Lall, Ram Jethmalani refused to comment. But his daughter, Ran Jethmalani, expressed her views. She said - " It was exceedingly painful for me," I had always campaigned for women's rights and have been a human rights activist myself. "As a lawyer whatever my father might say he is not just a lawyer also happens to be a member of parliament and also happens to be a legislator and there is a great responsibility on legislators". "When the system of justice is polluted, tampered and perverted it is time I think for lawyers to say that we will not take part in these kinds of cases". "The law does not prevent you from doing this and there is a higher moral code there is the constitutional law and also our constitutional duties in article 51 of the constitution so all these things would have prevented him to disobey or discard a rule of professional ethics."

The circle is not yet complete. There is Nitish Katara case and many many such cases rotting in the files. Then there are corruption cases where circle has not yet begun.

You are right. This is a blind forum. You study the topic and message. You write your reply. But you don't know wheter it will publish or blocked.

Congratulations. You have understood the moral of the humour.

I fully agree with your observations.

World is made of good and bad people. People on their own create conflict. On their own they can reduce it.

What all this adds to - Do your Karma in harmony with nature and its laws. Such Karma will not create any conflict. This is Sanatan Dharma.

Yes, there should be no delay in such cases. Unfortunately delay in this case is intentional keeping UP elections in sight. UPA Govt believes that by freeing Afzal it will get votes of Indian Muslims. This shows that UPA Govt does not differentiate between Mmuslim terrorists and other Muslim citizens of India.

As per a news item, court will take up Report of SIT on probe in loopholes in this case in January.Concerned cops are still under scanner.

While pronouncing judgement in Jessica Lall murder case, the court has condemned Shayan Munshi as a liar and went to the extent of saying that he was won over by Manu. The court also blamed him for creating confusion by floating an imaginary two-weapon theory at the instance of the accused. I am surprised why court has not punished him. Is law different for Shayan Munshi and Zahira Sheikh?

He has shamed himself at this age.

Yes, there is no free lunch. People either should work to earn it or be ready to be exploited by those provide it.

It is not the problem but the beauty of Dharma guiding mankind to live and let others live as humans.

Yes, principles of "sanatan dharma" are uniformly applicable on all humans at all times. They do not change with people or with time.

Faith is not blind. Blind are the people who discriminate people on the basis of their faith, caste or such man made different yard sticks.

There should be some ethics in legal profession.

Yes, justice delivered to Jessica and her family. The people have won again.

Yes, yes, yes.

Congratulations to People of India for uniting for the just cause.

Where do you fit the belief in certain religions that only their religion is right and people following other religions are demons?

Are you really interested to learn about Sanatan Dharma?

Shekhar Gupta : I think India is now a truely secular Nation. Prannoy roy : Yea. But i think there's need to demonize BJP further. Till that time the mission will remain incomplete. Vinod Mehta : Boss. Why do you worry ? I have already spoken to my Pakistani counterparts & some liberals in Europe. BJP's days are numbered.They are all with us. N.Ram : Yea, but what about human rights ? That industry needs growth. Praful Bidwai : Arey Baba, i have already filed 3 more fake cases in Supreme Court. And i know the judge. We can get all the terrorists released within days. Rajdeep Sardesai : But there's still work to be done. Modi is still C.M of Gujarat. All : Shut up Rajdeep. It's b'cos of you, he's the CM.

Yes, I mean that. Whenever people move away from fundamental dharmic principles, social practices become evil. Many social reformrs have come from time to time and worked to reform the evil from society. The problem is that at times some refgormers started their own religion to reform the society and it gave birth to conflict on religious lines.

There is nothing unfortunate in our constitution designed with good intentions. Its misuse by pseudo-seculars to pamper the minorities is unfortunate.

This is the most talked abaout topic these days. A test case for India and the govrnment. The decision on Afzal will tell whether this government is capable of defending national interests and integrity. Most probably terrorist rats will be eliminated.

Hindu society is now being ruled by dalits. Other day I read an aticle declaring that future belongs to dalits.

It should be the other way. religous prctices should not be given precedence over common civil laws.

No it does not come from sky. It is a social practice which is subject to change.

You can not understand Dharma as religion. Your calling Sanatan Dharma as a new thing is a proof of that misunderstanding. Hinduism and religion are new terms given to Sanatan Dharma by those invadors who could not understand the principles of Dharma. Their religions were started by individuals and for them it was difficult to understand Sanatan Dharma which was based on principles and not on individual's views.

India's highest court has found him guilty. But if you have some information then you must share share it with security agencies and the court.

You are saying it, and the Govt is acting on its policy - common men's life is not worth anything.

He is not able to stand with dignity and face the gallows for the cause he holds so dear. He, like any other terrorist, is proving to be a coward.

What people call 'Hinduism' now is in fact 'Sanatan Dharma'. Sanatan is eternal , but there is no true equivalent of 'Dharma' in any language. The term 'religion' is the nearest equivalent but it also misses out some basic principles of Sanatan Dharma. One such principle is 'all are equal' as all are the image of God. God is manifested in every living being including human beings. The other principle is 'God is one and different people try to reach Him in different ways'. All these ways lead people to Him if pursued with love and complete surrender before Him.

No, every thing can not be taken as faith. The conflict has arisen because a community has filed to respect the faith of other community.

It is Sanatan Dharma. Religion is not a true equivalent of Dharma. Also Hinduism is not a true equivalent of Sanatan Dharma. First let us understand this. Sanatan Dharma is based on principles, which are byond time and space dimensions. All Human beings are equal as all of them are the image of God. Treating them as upper or lower caste is a crime against God. How can some people come between some other people and God, by refusing them entry in a temple? Such people are indulging not only in crimes as per men made law but also as per the law of the God. Sanatan Dharma teaches the way of life based on its principles, one of them is 'all are equal'.

What you call evil is not a part of Dharma.

How come returning the medals to the President is unconstitutional? Why UPA govrenment does not hand over all returned medals to Afzal? This may prove to be the trump card congress is looking for to win UP election.

UPA govrnment is creating a record of passing highest number of bills which are unjust, discriminatory and meant to please a targeted section of the society.

Anti-social elements feed on unrest in society. Can you site an instance where people fought in favour or against any particular idol? Idols can not be the cause of any clash.

Who are these upper castes and how come their acts are seen as sanctioned by Hinduism?

You are welcome to welcome it. But for me it is further division of Indian society on caste basis.

People should be empowered to take benfits of qouta. For entering in a medical college the student should have minimum qualifcaion, and to have that qualification he or she should make a start by going to primary school.

It is absurd. Courts can not and should not rule on faith.

Resrvation, which was adopted as an affirmative action, with vote-bank politics has becone a negative action. It has done more harm to the real needy. The benefits have been cornered by the creamy layer.

Thanks. It is nice of you to provide such useful information.

Yes, a disgrace to Indian nation caused by its own government.

Yes, the government has put Indian nation to shame by creating such a situation where family members of those who sacrificd their lives for the nation had returned the awards. The shame has been compounded by deafening silence on the part of PM.

It may be because no body related to them has been killed. When Mehbooba was abducted, a terrorist was released. Life of Indian citizens has been rendered so cheap that some people, without any fear, can advocate release of terrorists who killed many innocent people.

worshipping one idol or multitude of idols is an issue different from the one you had orginally raised. Defilement or defacing of idols is not a part of worship. It is an act to create communal tension in the society by anti-social elements. How idols can be held responsible for that?

The difference between Afzal and Patil is becoming more and more blurred everyday.

Yes. This nation belongs to Indians and anybody at war with Indians should be hanged without loosing any time.

To be soft on terrorists is a crime against Indian people. All such supporters of terrorists should be tried for crimes against the Indian state and the people.

Yes, the root cause should be removed if India wants terror to end.

Yes, that is what a naionalistic government should do.

Can you give an example to support your viewpoint? In every temple there are idols of many Gods, and people worship all of them.

Till date, Afzal is saying that he did not get a fair trial. Some activists are also supporting him on this. I will not be surprised if after sometime congress also take this stand.

Yes, I agree that supporters of terrorists should aso be hanged along with their fellow terrorists.

Poor security people, who gave their life to save the life of these dirty politicians, are being insulted by talkings of freeing Afzal.

Mr. Flash, worshipping of a multitude of "IDOLS" has no role in fragmentation of our society. There are other reasons for it.

Oh Mr. Rebel, sometimes you become highly uncharitable. Rajputs are not known in the manner you describe them. The Rajput king you have referred to have never been considered as n icon.

What courts will decide? The issue relates to faith. People of both faiths should sit together and decide. If only politicians and self-serving religious leaders are kept out of it, the solution will not more than few days.

Why not? There is a strong case for this.

Can such a person be not convicted under the existing laws?

Yes, I agree with your views.

There seems to be a positive angle to quota system, the way you describe it. What will happen if resrvation enters in private sector also?

Equality is a basic feature of the constitution, and equality includes social equality. Any justifiable (affirmative) action to achieve social equality is a part of social justice. Indian constitution adopted reservation as an affirmative action for a specified period. But politicians extended this period again and again to indefinite period. These politically motivated extensions have changed the affirmative character of reservations and turned reservation in to a political tool to capture power and then to retain it. Disregarding SC advice for excluding creamy layer is an indication that politicians are determined to use it as a vote capturing tool. It wll be wasting time to expect that political parties will ever agree to any other affirmative action in place of resrvation. So now the ball is in peoples' court.

These power mongers have almost become terrorists in their own way. All their policies and programmes are anti-people.

No, I am not saying that. Education level in dalits is rising. What is happening is that their energies are being wasted in non-productive work, such as, these agitations. Dalits should harness their energies and work to empower thmselves so that they can use all coming opportunities to their benefit.

I will not call it 'unwarranted stress' but a well thought-out strategy to win over muslim votes in coming UP election. I am not surprised at Manmohan Singh indulging in cheap and unprincipled politics. He is a politician now and any leftover traces of honesty and sincrity of purpose will soon be a thing of past.

Your reference to dalits as most disorderly and uncivilized lots is looking at a section of Indian society with tainted eyes. How can you forget such disorderly and uncivilized behaviour by other sections of the society? It would be advisable for all to desist posting such discriminatory messages.

I am not singling out dalits for violant demonstrations. It is a case in point which has initiated this discussion and reference ends here. Main emphasis of the message is that dalits are being exploited for votes and they should see through the game. What I believe is that no energy should be wasted in any attempt to get even with anybody for what happened in the past. The strategy for the dalits should be to empower themselves by using every opportunity which is coming their way.

Cheating is the right word for this attempt to bring backdoor reservation to Muslims.

With so many different views, first there should be an agreement on what 'social justice'is.

A view shared by many people.

Yes, why 27%? SC also wants to know the basis of this 27%.

Very interesting. Please elaborate it some more.

You say that you are a follower of Dr. Ambedkar. I doubt if he said what you have been posting on this board.

'How do you explain this sudden dalit violence?', when asked, famous playwright Vijay Tendulkar answered - 'Dalits have been made pawns so many times. They never seem to see through the game. Someone should have been there to restrain them, to make them understand that the desecration of Ambedkar's statue has a political motive. Violence over statues, names, symbols can't become goals. What do you achieve by damaging public property? This will boomerang on you and not on politicians.' I have been saying this on this board for a long time. One can not correct a wrong by doing another wrong. Dalits should guide themselves and not be guided by others. It is unfortunate but a fact that after Ambedkar there has been no true dalit leader in India. All these self-claimed leaders are only exploiting dalits for their own good.

Which dalit leader you follow, as I have not seen any known dalit leader talking like this?

I am a Hindu and I will not react the way some dalits have reacted to vandalism of Dr. Ambedkar's statue if you burn Hindu temples. Gods and godesses are not abnormal. Abnormal are those who burn with hate as hate takes away logic from peoples'normal thought process.

Don't be sarcastic. People can not attack cricketers' house if the team does not perform to their expectations.

Did successive Indian governments have any policy to really stop atrocities on dalits?

Simply calling them unfriendly is not correct. They are dishonest and are made Information Commissioners to protect politicians and serving babus. Such people should never be given a job in information commissions.

Concrned people should be exposed and penalized.

Any person will gladly share the information if he or she has acted with sincerity and honesty of purpose. Only a dishonest person will be afraid of sharing the informaion and will do everything possible to block the free flow of information.Such persons should be exposed. This PIL is a welcome move in this direction. I thank and congratulate the petitioner.

It is a very good decision.

You are doing a good job. Don't stop posting. Many times, I have posted my views in reply to your postings. Your efforts are not going to waste. What you post starts a thought process. Please continue. You are right that promulgation of RTI Act is the best thing to have happened in our country. RTI act can change our society for good. Dear friend, it is chqanging. People qre feeling empowered.

What is an upper caste in modern India?

His supporters have attacked Kaif's house in Allahabad after Indian cricket team lost to SA. Perhaps by doing this they have served some dalit cause.

Only Hindu intellectuals find wrong with Hindu religion. They think that crticizing own religion is the only way to be known as intellectual. Normal people like me don't see anything wrong with Hindu religion. I see wrong with people who misinterpret and practice it in a wrong manner for their self interest.

Yes, Nitish's mother has become a role model for the people to fight to ensure justice.

Two lives lost. Who gained and who lost?

Dr. Ambedkar's stature in Indin politics and social reforms is so high that it is illogical to say that somebody can insult him. People like Ambedkar are above these petty human weaknesses. What happened with his statue and what happened after that is senseless.

I think only dalits should cry on dalits converting to other religions. They leave their faith in which they were born in the hope that their conditon will improve, but they remain dalit in adopted religion also. Earlier they were known as Hindu daits, now they are known as Chrisian dalits, Muslim dalits.

The problem which every member faced. Now it seems to be over. Back to my original User ID.

There have been differences between Shias and Sunnis for long. They have been fighting with each other on these differences. But I share your hope.

Main reason for division in society is false ego, that I am better than every one else.

Yes, lack of effective and efficient implementation is the problem.

Islam has different interpretations in different countries.In Saudi Arabia, a woman can not enter politics but in Bangladesh and Pakistan, women have become prime ministers.Stoning to death is permitted in Iran ans Saudi Arabia, but banned in many other Muslim countries.Now the question arises, which Islam and which interpretation is correct?

What you have stated in your reply is not relevant to the issue I raised and has been replied many times. Do you agree or disgree with what I say in my post?

Yes, ensuring social justice should be the first priority, but quota system will not bring equality in education & Job opportunities for the deprived class. So far, it has resulted in more disharmony in the sociey. It has also creted a special class of creamy layer, the new creed of brahmins who block quota benefits to reach the needy.

How sitting on floor can be considered as national insult?

Hate wll only destroy the hater.

Good analysis. Dalits should stand up as human beings and not as a group of opressed people prone to exploitation. They should not seek mercy in the form of resrvation but should demand a dignified life. They should see themselves as equal to others and not as a class which looks towards others for bread or shelter.

Dalits should have faith in themselves. After this will come self respect as human beings. They should see them as humans and not as dalits. They should not live on hatred towards others but on love towards themselves. Having faith or no-faith in Hindus is not going to help them.

Any social initiative, having political undertones and overtones,will create disharmony in society and is doomed to be a failure. What has been done for dalits is not under any genuine concern for them but only to gain political mileage. The result is that atrocities on dalits have increased.

It will be good if evrybody, people, beaurocrats,politicians also start using this Act, rather than creating hurdles in its way.

Role of CIC is becoming suspect in view of recent happenings. People have to be very cautious. India has a distincion for enforcers of law joining hands with violators of law at the expense of the interest of common people.

Lawyers are the main culprits for huge number of cases being filed in courts. They advise for litigation just to earn money even when there is no need of it. Consumer Protection Act was made to avoid the necessity of hiring a lawyer but now consumer courts are packed with lawyers. People should be cautious or else lawyers will spoil things in RTI cases also.

Blaming does not solve the problem. Individual and collective effort are required to improve the plight of dalits.As long as polticians continue making political capital out of this and people continue supporting politicians as per their political affiliations, this problem can not be solved. It will only deteriorate.

Current minister is not well as per gandhigiri. Let us pray for him.

You are right. People get what they vote for. Health care for mssses does not seem to be a priority for poliicians. They talk about it, provide some funds for it which goes in to their pockets and that is all.

This negative attitude is the cause of Muslims not been able to join national mainstream.

You are being ridiculus. Brahims of modern India are those belonging to creamy layer.

Yes, it is a game plan of secular Govt and Muslims upper class. It would be beter for you to find out what definiton Antuley has drafted for a backward Muslim?

Does Govt. realize that it has a responsibility towards corporate sector? So far, successive govrnments have only used corporate sector as fund providers for fighting elections and living in luxary. Now, with public sector drying up for providing any more quotas, it wants to use corporate sector to further their vote banks through quota.

You talk of Brahmins but do you really know who are the Brahmins of modern India?

The reservation and affirmative action are itself contradictory. To talk of ensuring social justice through reservation is another contradiction. Any programme, any scheme, any decision under these contradictions will only be contradictory.

Let us not only blame congress. Every political party and every politician is ensuring that minorities and dalits remain backward, as only then they can be exploited in dirty power games.

Court should decide before and not after, and for that purpose judge can discuss the evidence and purpose behind it with both lawyers in his chamber.

I don't agree. It is the paramount duty of the court to defend the victim when she is subjected to character assasination by the defence lawyer to confuse the issue or to malign the victim or with any other bad motive. How court does it is to be decided by the court.

System is already there. Only basis has to change from caste to economc backwardness. It can be done ovrnight if only vote bank politics is abandoned.

Creamy layer should be excluded at once from taking any more benefits of quot systemd repaced.Then reservation policy should be replaced by an alternative empowerment system covering all financially backward people, irrespective of their religion and caste.

It is a very good start, a trendsetter.

Yes, a peoples movement should be started to cut long term vacations in courts. Fast track and night courts will help clear the huge backlog.

It is a very good start, a trendsetter.

Politicians are not honouring judicial verdicts. They are out to oppose it, even going to the extent of putting it in 9th schedule to isolate it fromn judicial scrutiny.

All the opportunities are available now. People should work for it rather than waiting to be given on quota platter.

Yes, your observaton is correct.

Are you serious or being funny?

Bonded labour is an evil and so is the Devdasi practice. But by referring to these are you trying to jusify slave trade?

There is no validity of caste system as has been practiced and still being practiced in India. Your quote from ManuSmriti and Gita clearly speak against this caste system.

A person with negative attitude will only see negative.

Thank you for such a logical analysis of this situation. When a lawyer indulges in character assasination in the court it is the prime duty of the court to defend the victim and stop such attempt of such unethical lawyers.It is unfortunate that there is hardly any ethics left in legal business. The conduct of RJ, a very senior lawyer, might be praised by his unethical fraternity, it sure is earning displeasure of common men, and their faith in justice delivery system which is taking a hard beating.

Yes, the religion which is called Hinduism is an eternal religion, the Sanatana Dharma.

Agreed.

There is no is love and compassion in animal sacrifice. Taking away another living being's life is a crime against God. Such practices can not be a part of any religion.

Keeping other human beings as slaves and selling & purchsing them like a commodity is a blot on human civilization. It is a crime against God.

Who is a religious person, a person who claims that he is religious or the one who practices his religion the way it should be done? A religious person, as per my belief, can only be practicing love and compassion for others. Any person, who hates or cause pain to others, is not a religious person. You are right that discipline depends on a man's attitude but the right attitude comes from proper understanding of one's religion. There may be people who do not belive in religion but in their case also the right attitude comes from their beliefs of love and compassion for others.

To say that all religious doctrines are wrong and just woven to fool the masses is far from the reality. People either do not understand religon or talk such to serve their personal interests. Knowing religion is one thing but understanding it is quite different. Most people know religion but do not understnd it.

I will not speak on behalf of oher religions, but my religion 'Hinduism' does not encourage violance. It preaches love and compasson for all human beings irrespective of their religion.

I agree with you. Religion is purely personal whereas civll laws are applicable on the society as a whole. People, to serve their personal interests, put their personal beliefs above the civil law.This practice should not be allowed as it only creates disharmony in the society. Too much insistence on this wrong practice has created violance all over the world.

Religions are not bad for the Human society. Rather they are essential to keep the society within civilized boundary.

It is really shamefull that such things are allowed in the name of law. Those in legal profession, involved in such shameful acts, are putting their own fraternity and also society to shame.

Lawyers are educated people and they indulge in such shameful acts, in higher courts or lower courts does not matter.

I really don't understand that why courts give so much impotance to lawyers who can go to any extent of mainpulaing law, characer assasination of victims and working to derails the law process. Society should condemn such lawyers.

I agree with your analyisis.

I appreciate and share your concern and hurt over Ram Jethmalani's decision to defend killer of Jessica lal.But in the end he is a lawyer who fight for clients and not for the justice.

I am not in favour of reservation in any form or on any basis, certainly not based on religion.

And how this fair share will be given? 'Targeting the existing Bureaucracy' means what, and what is their recruitment policy in which they may have been partial?

Law is supreme. Any pracice, in the name of religion, if violates the law should be tried under the law and those who practice it should be punished.

I put up a question to them, should a civilised society tolerate murder of innocent people including women and children? What wrong security personnel do for which they were killed while defending parliament and politicians? What wrong common people do when they were killed in Sarojini Nagar and places when they went there for Diwali shopping? The list is very long. Can these suppoerters of terror and terrorists answer this?

Ram Jethmalani will raise many more such objecions. He is a lawyer, not inerested in justice but acquittal of his client.

You are right that getting emotional with terrorists means giving them another chance or chances to kll more innocent people.If Afzal is freed and he kills more innocent people (which he will do as he is a terrorist) then those asking for his release will be the killers.

Can a govt employee (cashier in this case) absent himself from his seat for so much time? Did TOI correspondent made a complaint in this regard?.

A good move. I will wait for your post after CIC gives its decision.

�RTI is for the citizen of this country", does this mean that a foreign national can not seek informaon under this Act? There are many MNCs operating in India under approvals and exemptions. The process has not been transparent. Can an Indian national also not ask for information relating to these approvals and exmptions?

Everybody knows it but act ignorant.Thanks, as such messages should be posted now and then to remind people.

Yes, acion should be initiated against the city engineer. I support Vivek on this.

There is nothing wrong in meeting the President and give him the feedback about one year working of CIC, but seeking sack of CIC himself is going too far.If there is a problem, it should be examined in detail to determine the root cause of the poblem. Then corrections should be applied. To prevent reccurrence of the problem appropriate corrective actions should be taken. Also to prevent occurrence of similar problems appropriate preventive actions should be taken. Asking the President to sack CIC is immatured an is not expected from these activists of high calibre. What CIC has said about one year's performance of his office? If he has not submitted his report then he should be asked to give such report. Let these people study the report and give their views. A joint exrcise hould then be done to determne the root cause(s)and to take appropriate corrective and preventive actions.

A negative view about RTI Act, but in a democracy you have a right to have your own views.

Thanks or a thought provoking article. For years, I have been giving this baksheesh without giving it a thought. At times, I have been annoyed also when they demanded more than what I gave them. It is right that RTI has some fundamental objectives � accountability, transparency, informed citizenry � that are essential for a healthy democracy and to contain corruption. People, like me, are also accountable for effective implementation of RTI Act.

What is the root cause of the problem and what right remedy you suggest?

Indian judiciary system is good. The problem is with justice delivery system. If only political ineference is stopped this poblem will also be solved. With state politians distributing free olour TVs, giving free power, it will be dangerous to allow states to have their own judiciary system.

Which brahmins you are talking about, the older day brahmins or modern day brahmins? Modern day brahmins are not asking for quota they are taking it by blackmail.

It is easy to abuse others. Also equally easy is to spread hate for somebody by painting him responsible for others' plight. Dalits are a deprived clss of Indian society. Those who claim to be fighting for dalits are all waelthy people. Have they contributed a single paisa from their pocket for the development of dalits? They are only interested in spreading hate and then encashing it in the form of votes.

Social justice can not be ensured by taking away from one person and giving it to the other person. It can be achieved only by creating equal opportunities and resources for every person.Reservation has created more social injustice.

This fraction of the society is called 'Creamy Layer', the modern day brahmins of Indian sociey.

Yes, as true leaders of dalits, it is natural to expect it from them.They should create these social standards for others to follow.

No society can ensure social justice on the basis of discrimination of one human being against the other. Social justice can be achieved only by treating everybody equal in respect of information and resources.

State level politcal parties are also adopting a policy of conflict with judiciary under the able guidance of UPA government at the center.

The logical and right solution to remove social injustice is providing information and resources to the needy irrespective of their religion, caste and other discriminatory practices.

I think first you judge yourself and learn to be rspectful to 'my fellow countrymen' as you refer hem here. You should also establish your credentials to judge ordinary Indians and nature of the Indian society.

You express your views. You have evrey right to do that. But your being abusive to ordinary Indians can not be appreciated. If you can not avoid using such abusive language then I humbly request you to withdraw from the discussion.

Mr. Abhijitbal, it is the expresson of peoples' anger against those who take away life of other human beings.I am sure you know that Indian law does not permit hanging in full public view with slow strangulation. The people here also know it.There is nothing mean and revendeful in what they say. If court awards death o the riminal then t will take place as per law. However, I object to your using the phrase - "how mean and revengeful ordinary Indians are. Disgusting....". You should be careful and avoid using such language. You can express your views without being abusive to entire ordinary Indians.

Yes, the role of public and media to unitedly fight to ensure justice for Mattoo, Lal and Katara is highly praiseworthy.However, you are right that awarding punishment is the prerogative of the court. But I feel that what people are saying here is not awarding punshment but it is an expression of their anger against the culprits. I wish people and media are united on various other issues of public concern also.

Yes, I agree that this practice of taking too long holidays in courts should be stopped.

Yes you are ight that gevernment and CIC should take a serious view on this issue and take stern action against the government officials who refuse the information on flimsy grounds. Only the fear of adverse action will force them to behave in a positive manner.

First, let me hank you for very informative posts on implementation of RTI Act. I agree that it takes time for any idea to take roots in a democracy and that interpretation of the provisions of any progressive legislation is subject to differences.But at least PM can advise states under congress rule and central governmnt departments to be more positively responsive in providing information. It is his job to control babus and congress politicians.

Shameful is the right word for the behaviour of these people.I wish to put my compliments and thanks to Mr. Shailesh Gandhi for his untiring efforts on making RTI Act a real usefull tool for the people.

Yes, CIC should be complimented for this decision.

You seem to be unhappy with RTI Act.

Failing states should be asked to explain to the public, why and who is responsible?

A very good suggestion. It will make filing an application under RTI Act very simple.

It is really something which only CIC can understand. For a common man like me it is a negation of the concept of RTI Act. The performance of CIC in first year of RTI Act is far from satisfactory.

Why do you say so? Is there anything wrong if entire examination process is made transparent? Transpaencyt gives credibility to any system, and in India examination system needs that credibility, in view of many scams.

The performance of CIC in first year has not been very encouraging. But the attitude of the police was shameful. It should be brought out who ordered the police to arrest these acivists. Let us hope that this year the act will be implemented in citizens-friendly manner.

Thanks for providing such detailed information about RIT Act in WB. It is Shameful.

Strict action should be taken against PIO and also Bolangir SP. No action against such people will send wrong signals to other people like them or else the Act ill loose its effectiveness.

Good bye. Rest in peace.

A good decision I think.

A thought provoking idea. The equality should be practiced on both sides.

If Kashmir does not need India then it will need Pakistan. And Pakisan will take away its identity.

Terrorists don't have any respect for the rights of innocent Indians. How can they and their supporters talk of human rights when they are punished by law for killings of innocent Indians?

You are right. Showing mercy on Afzal, an enemy of Indian state, will be a mockery of justice delivery system in India and pure discrimination against those who can not organize support of politicians and activists in their favour. It will also cast doubt on the credibility of due process of law, which has been followed.

No, don't ask him this quesion? People like him want more innocent people killed by Afzal after he is freed.

Why do you take one-sided view? Why are you on the side of trrorists who kill innocent people? Why don't you call upon the terrorists to stop klling innocent people?

Many people are convassing for Afzal. They want that he should not be hanged for attacking India's center of democracy, the Parliament. It was fortunate that he did not succeed in killing peoples' representatives assembled in the parliament, but many other Indians (security personnel)were killed in this attack. Who are these people and why are they are on the side of the enemy of India? Why are they not on the side of their country and innocent fellow citizens? Why they are asking Indian state to free him? Why are they not asking these terrorists to stop killing innocent people? Are they the other face of terrorism? Will it be right to call them terrorists without arms?

Mr. Maran, will you please inform whether any commission was appointed to inquire whether a political party is a traitor or not? If no, then there is no question of communists being pointed out as traitors by any commission. Also please inform which commisson of inquiry has exposed the crimes of the RSS? Regarding your indignation over blaming naxals as a part of communist parties, please remember your own continued blame game about VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS and BJP. If you feel pained then others also feel pained.

Reservation (Quota) ensures social injustice through discriminating one community against other. This evil has not been eradicated from Indian society, only its colour has changed. Earlier, dalits were discriminated against upper caste. Now upper caste is being discriminated against dalits. True social justice will be ensured only when there will be no reservation. Every Indian will be treated equal. When age-old social inequality will be treated by empowerment and not through reservation.

By citing these freedom fighters in relation to Afzal's case you have only succeeded in insulting them.

Rape should be seen as a crime and punished under the law of the land. The decision of the court is perfecly right and Imrana should be allowed to live a dignified life, rather than being forced to live according to wrong interpretations of Quranic teachings. She is a human being and has every right to be treated like a human being. I don't believe that any religion or its Holy Book including Islam and Quran teach to treat women in this in-human manner.People harassing her should not be given the shelter of religion but should be punished.

A democraic government always interferes in its autonomous institutions. In fact these institutions are considered a personal property of the minister in-charge and his secretriat in the ministry.

You are also right. Behind Manmohan Singh every minister is running his own government.It seems that Manmohan Singh is playing a political game as a non-paying captain, with Sonia Gandhi as coach.

Why postpone? Free him and as a return gift to his crimes give him Bharat Ratna.Also give him a judicial pardon for some more attacks in future on Indians and India's security.

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I agree with you that it is not correct to paint the Gujratis with a single brush. Why not brush away your misplaced hatred for RSS? If you discard hatred, you will see that RSS is a true nationalist organizaton and they do noy play communal politics.They want people of all religions to live as true Indians.RSS is a victim of communal politics being played by congress and other like-minded parties, who only have hatred in their stores.

Let NDTV create any topic for discussion, some people will bring RSS in to it. Such is the RSS-phobia these people are suffering from.Their entire thought process has been affected to such an extent that they can not think about anything except RSS. So much hatred. From where they are getting it?

No body is maligning Islam and Muslims. If Muslims feel so then they themselves are to be blamed for it. They should come out of the walls they have built around themselves and join national mainstream. Blaming RSS for their self-created problems is not going to help them. RSS has a ntionalist ideology and Muslims are an integral part of it. But Muslims, because of their misplaced concern, are guided by anti-RSS forces who create a fear in their minds about majority community. Fear gives rise to insecurity. Insecurity turns in to violance. This is what anti-RSS forces want. Indian Muslims should think and decide their own course of action rather than being guided by others.

The power of united people can force the erring police, Govt, politicians, judiciary to act in the right manner. Priyadarshini's case has enforced this belief.The people of India should preserve this unity and strengthen it. Many wars are yet to be won, and the enemy is still active.

Yes, the people of India will ensure that Sabrina and all others like her get justice.

I am the most happy person today. Thank you people of India. The people have united on this issue, and when people unite, it can move every thing, the justice delivery system, the investigative sytem, the conscience of the nation........ The rapist and the murderer should be hanged. And mind it, you so called intellectuals, no mercy appeals.

Minority appeasement under this Govt has reached such illogical and anti-national limits that SC had to intervene and comment that undue considerations to caste, religion and political loyalty are prohibited to be the grounds for clemency. President should be appropriately advised so that he is not forced in to an act which will wipe out everything he earned in his entire life.

Your anguish is shared by majority of Indians.

Ignore such empty pots who make only noise.

'non-patriotic people', the number of this tribe is increasing. Hear the shouts of pardoning Afzal!

'Big mouths' are like 'empty pots' who make only noise to come in news.

But the cry of these people is - 'Let the scarifice of those, who saved us, go waste. We are for minority appeasement as for us their votes are most important'.

Every state was an independent country, some decided to merge with India and some with Pakistan. Why special status to J&K? Self certification of 'speaking sense' is USP of some people.

I have never understood the need of starting new religions. If a person feels that there are problems in the society, he or she should work to remove those problems, rather than starting a new religion itself. A new religion divides society.

You have said it and said it right.

Not only at the expense of the victims the judiciary and law of natural justice, but at the expense of National Security.

What is your solution? Have you ever thought about kashmiri pundits who have been driven out of their homes?

Such statements are another form of terrorism.

Yes, no mercy on a terrorist. Think if he had succeeded!

Perhaps these dirty politicians deserve this.

Death to traitors.

I also have the same view.

Truth always wins. It can not be clouded by falsehood. It will be better for anti-Hindus to understand it.

I am in full agreement with your views. Arjun Singh, Mulayam Singh and others like them in congress and other parties have crossed the line which separates common people from terrorists. If such policies are allowed to continue then Indian Govt will also be seen as a terrorist outfit.

Who does not like to remain in power?

The model choosen by him for development was a great mistake, which was corrected to some extent by liberalization and globalization by successive congress governments.

Why one should be horrified over destruction of temples? It is secularism and Indian Govt is a secular Govt. In Delhi itself congress Govt has demolished temples and Gurudwaras at Yamuna bank.

You are off tangent. My issue is whether Manmohan Singh has reversed India's stand on terrorism. Vajpayee did not say that Pakistan is also a victim of terrorism. After Mumbai blasts Manmohan Singh blamed Pakistan and now he wants to sit with him to solve the problem. It is like police investigating a crime with the support of the main accused. Also, Manmohan Singh could not change western opinion on terrorism to India's stand. What he has done is to change India's stand to western opinion.

This is hight of obsession with previous govt. NDA govt did not do any such thing. This govt has reversed the long drawn policy of India on terrortism.Let us read the NAM declaration 2006 and then discuss.

You are right. If above exception is really a part of this declaration then what Manmohan Singh was doing there? Why has he consented to legality of pak sponsored terrorism in J&K? Why should India change its long drawn policy that every form of terrorism should be eradicated?

Why then it is restricted to a particular community only?

In the light of what has happened between Manmohan Singh and Musharraf, can it be said that India has reversed its policy on terrorism, and now will work with the same country which it has been holding responsible for terror attacks in India?

Decision has to be pronounced. The delay is sure bad and a mockery of justice delivery system.

What a young woman, whose family members have been murdered,can do against those who exploited her for their personal gains and then SC punishing her for being a victim?

It is really going across. Now terrorism has been divided in to urban and rural terrorism.

What they admit now is not important. The event has taken place. But one thing positive has come out of it. Sonia Gandhi has once again proved that she is not an Indian by heart.

What is wrong in independents taking over governance? Anybody who has the majority support of the house has a right to form the government.

It is a fact that Muslims find it difficult to integrate themselves with the society they are living in, but it is true only for societies in non-islamic countries. In Islamic countries, this problem is not seen. The reason behind this is their belief that Quran asks all Muslims to live only in Islam ruled countries. If they are forced to live in a country which is not ruled by Islam, they have a duty to bring that country under the rule of Islam. This belief does not allow them to join the mainstream of that society. They live like aliens in that society and work to bring that country under Islamic rule which results in violance against people of other faiths.

But why an union is required for addressing such issues?

Will you like to put forward few points in favour of banning the unions in colleges?

If pro-dalit people are really interested in giving justice to needy dalits, then they should force the govt to exclude creamy layer from SC/ST/OBC quota.Next they should force the govt to provide resources abnd information to needy dalits and their children at primary and secondary education level itself so that they get a level playing field when they compete at higher education level. I belong to upper caste but I an against birth based caste system. And it is not because of what you say but due to real concern for the backward people of India, and are included in this all those who are backward, be them brahmins or muslims.

People belonging to creamy layer in SC/ST/OBC are the modern day brahmins. Like brahmins, in earlier days, they are now blocking benefits of development to reach the needy SC/ST/OBC. Like brahmins of those days, these modern brahmins want to grab every opportunity and benefit under reservation policy. To fool needy SC/ST/OBC they shout for reservation but behind doors they force govt to keep them included in quotas. I wonder why these medern brahmins are not being condemned by pro-qouta people. Why some people are blind to these realities?

The problem is that some people only see those dalits who are still backward. They close their eyes to those dalits who have occupied and are ocupying higher positions in govt, bureaucracy and other areas. These are the people who , like brahmins in earlier days, are now blocking the benefits of reservation to the needy dalits. Reservation policy was adopted for a short period but extended to illogical time limits. Still people are fighting for its continuance. Why it should not be replaced by alternative schemes to benefit the needy. Why dalits are not being empowered at primary and secondary education level so that they become equal to other category people? Why so called pro-dalits want them to remain dependent on quota at the time of admission in higher education? Why in OBC quota, creamy layer is not being excluded? Think and try to answer these questions.

Yes, Lalu, Nitish, and many many more.

Six decades are not enough? Now creamy layer is blocking benefits of reservation to reach the needy. These people are modern day brahmins now. They are now doing what brahmins in earlier days did to backward classes. Unfortunately some people are not ready to accept the reality.

It is reality not myth. It is also true that majority of dalits are still waiting for benefits of reservation. But it is not due to FC but creamy layer in dalits itself. These dalits keep on garnering benefits of reservation inspite of the fact that they are no more dalit now.

That is the tragedy. Even after becoming president, ministers, bureaucrats, businessmen these people continue getting the benefits of their being born in a lower caste. These same people used to cry when in earlier days upper caste people used to deny them benefits because their caste. Now they are prodly claiming that they are backeard as they were born in a lower caste and will remain backward irrespective of any amount of education and money is given to them.

What they will tell the world, that before independence upper caste Hindus have oppressed them. Will they not be asked what is happening after independence? After independence it is so-called backward classes which have oppressed the upper castes with the tool of reservation. Will they tell that in last 60 years the situation has reversed and now the upper caste is being discriminated on caste basis? This wrong notion of 'caste by birth' has been given so much importance and power that a dalit remains dalit even after becoming President of India.

Unions and associations are tools for collective bargaining. I have always wondered what is there to bargain about in educational institutions. Students go to educational institutions to learn. Why should they waste their time and energy in playing politics? Allowing students union is a well thought-oot strategy to recruit future politicians, but in this process the acedemic environment of these institutions is being vitiated.Politics should be kept away from these places of learning.

No, simply being from FC does not give any body any right to get the top positions. They have to compete for these posts. But their competitive position should not be compromised by giving concessions to some people in the guise of reservation. Competition should be on a level playing field.

It is not necessary that all educated people will be skilled. It is also not necessary that all skilled people should necessarily be educated. I consider 'merit myth' a negative concept. But I don't support reservation on caste basis. All the people should be empowered to exploit their potential to the maximum advantage to themselves and to the society. And this empowerment should start at primary education level. But unfortunately, politicians are not doing anything at primary level as they want to use it as a vote capturing tool in the form of reservation at higher education level.

People live in slums not because they are born in a particular caste but because they are economically backward. Has anybody seen a economically sound SC/ST living in slums? The notion 'caste by birth' has created social injustice in the past and now also it is creating social injustice.

This negative mindset of 'caste by birth' will not go. Earlier FC people used it to to their advantage and now BC People are using it to their advantage. Narayanan's daughter entered IAS on the crutches of quota system. He became President of India but he was always referred to as first dalit President.

Yes, that question should be answered. Are PM and FM above the law?

Yes, you are right that cry about "centuries of oppression" is a carefully propagated myth to reserve political, economic and administritive power for the phoney backwards. In fact the so-called upper castes have become backward after independence.

They are not Indians. They are desi rulers of India.

All those who blackmail govt to introduce more quotas do not really believe in its benefits. They do it to secure their positions in politics. Can somebody say that earlier V P Singh and now Arjun Singh really have soft corners for dalits? They know it is dividing society, that it is creating hatred between social groups, that it is unjustice to deserving people, but they still do it as they find an easy way in it to secure votes of dalits. No pro-dalit leader will get himself treated by a doctor who got the job under quota system. They know his ability.

As a thouight it is very good but casteism can never be abolished. Earlier upper caste people were capitalizing on it by saying that caste is by birth - so deny them everything. Now lower caste people are capitalizing on it by saying that caste is by birth - so reserve everything for us.

What they have sowed will they reap now!

A very good analysis of the situation. Thanks.

Nehru, to become PM, created conditions for division of India. After India was partitioned and he became PM he continued with almost all the policies of Britishers. He was always anti-Hindu and it was natural for him to continue British policy of divide and rule.

People are as independent now as they were under British rule.

No religion is corrupt. Also politics is not corrupt. Corrupt are the people. If people want to live happily with each other, who is stopping them?

Nehru was no different from Britishers. He had same contempt for common people of India as Britishers. What happened on 15 August 1947, in real sense, was not independence but only a change of government.

Congress which fought under the leadership of Gandhiji is long dead. Congress of today has become a curse on Indian nation.

What you say is the truth.

Pampering of minorities has emboldened them to talk in anti-national tones. It will be no wonder when such people will be awarded Bharat Ratna by this anti-Hindu govt.

What happened yesterday (24 August 2006) in Parliament (LS) has embarassed me to such an extent that I am not able to face myself for the mistake I did in electing my representative to LS. I am sure that my fellow Indians are also feeling this shame. I wish there was a system of re-calling these shameless representatives from LS.

I agree with what you say, but for one thing - "our great leaders". There are no leaders now.

UPA government, it seems, is out to create records in introducing unethical and backward legeslations . The cabinet has approved quota bill, another backward step by UPA government. A very good opportunity has been wasted. It was the right time to review reservation policy and introduce alternative schemes to lift backward groups in Indian society. But for short-term political gains, the govt has sacrified long-term social gains of creating harmony in the society. It is very unfortunate that cabinet has not agreed with socil justice ministry's view that it should be ensured that benefits go only to most backward classes. The creamy layer has already taken benefits of this quota raj. Why they should be allowed to take it again and again where a large majority remains without any benefit so far? It is umethical and immoral on behalf of those OBC ministers in the cabinet and other polticians and groups to blackmail the govt to not to exclude the creamy layer from quota benefits. Just imagine, children of Lalu Prasad, Ram Vilas Paswan and others getting in colleges through quota route as though they are still backward.

After right sense prevailed and UPA govt dropped the idea (for how long is uncertain) to kill RTI Act, it is now the turn of SC to try to kill the act by seeking cover from giving information to people. SC has suggested three amendments to this law which if enacted by parliament, will strike at the root of the most important safeguard contained in the act. All public authorities including courts are subject to the jurisdiction of an independent appellate body. SC says that this appellate body in case of courts should not be Central Information Commission but its own registrar general. First politicians, then babus and now courts want that they should be above the law. If country's highest judicial body has such negative mindset then who will deliver justice to the people?

Quotas will never bring social justice whether implemented in a planned manner or any other manner. Quotas were brought in to correct an inequality in the society but have filed to correct it. The inequality is still there but in a different form. Earlier it was inequality between upper and lower class. Now it is between quota-class and non-quota-class.

Unfortunately, in modern India, such backwardness is considered a matter of right (perhaps pride also) as it gets the people education, jobs, promotions without actually working for them. Even after becoming President of India a person remains backward.

You sure are a freethinker.

Some people will still find something to criticize or else they will not live in peace.

After independence two main caste groups have emerged, one - vip, vvip, vvvip ..... and two sc, st, obc, mbc, mmbc .......

Yes, like secularism, social-justice has also become a convenient word for polticians to serve their vote banks. As in secularism there in nothing about justice in this term.

Why Indian govt. bothers about US opinion whenever it says anything related to terror or any other bi-lateral issue. When Indian govt. after Mumbai blasts blamed Pakistan then US (true to its double standards) said that it was not correct to blame Pakistan withouy first having proof. Laxman, the famous cartoonist then said - "OK, You have clear evidence that country is responsible for the bomb blasts. But how to announce it without being sure of what Mr. Bush's reaction would be to our revealing it?" Today also Laxman's cartoon says - "This writer has openly criticized Indo-US nuclear deal. DO you think, Mr. Bush will not take objection to it?"

Happy Independence Day to all Indians.

It is really very nice that so many memebers have expressed their views on what does independence mean to them. On 15th August every year India celeberates independence from a foreign power. But is India really independent of foreign powers, their pressure and pulls? Is India really independent from social inequilities, discrimination, communal hatred, violance, corruption....? Even on personal level, can anybody claim that he or she is really independent? So friends, in my opinion, on personal level we may have our own meaning of independence, but as a society, as a nation, India is still not really independent.

Terrorism is on Hezbollah side.

हम सबका यह कर्त्वय है कि हम सब मिलकर आतंकवाद का हर रूप मैं विरोध करें. किसी रूप मैं भी ऐसा कुछ न करें जिससे आतंकवाद को कोई भी मदद मिले. आतंकवाद मानवता का दुशमन है. निर्दोश लोगों का खून बहाना ईश्वर के प्रति अपराध है.

Israel's attack on Lebanon is not a terror attack. Terrorists attack from behind whereas Israel has attacked from the front.

And he may be posting a message on this board!

What do you mean by RTI Act becoming less and less pragmatic? I think that issues related to time period should be left to concerned PIO, appellate authorty and CIC to decide. You are talking of other side of the fence. Is it a war people are fighting with the govt?

What wrong is being justified by which another wrong thing?

Don't bring names into it. These are your words. I am not discussing Dr. Ambedkar here.

Mumbai blasts investigations are showing this trend. If some people want to remain blind to what is staring them in their face then who can help it.

Will you not like to comment on Sonia Gandhi using govt aircraft with Defence Minister and other govt functionaries in toe? She is not holding any position in the govt.

There have been people, in all ages, who could not understand religion and choose to criticize it. They will put blame on religion for all problems. They make religion a scapegoat so that real goats amongst them can escape.

The thing I am not able to understand is why India govt is not using this statement of LeT Chief to push forward its point that terror in India is coming from across the border.

It is funny to what illogical extent people can go to criticize someone they do not like.

Where did I quantify number of terrorists? I said their number is increasing. It is coming out very clearly in Mumbai blasts investigations. If some people want to be willfully blind to this then no body can help. By the way you seem to forget that you yourself have given a number, 1000 more terrorists after Godhra, in one of your posts under another topic.

In Britain, Muslims are being looked upon with suspicion but anybody doing it in India is painted as a communalist.

This minority is turning into majority. The number of active terrorists, their supporters, sympathizers, logistic-support providers is increasing manifold. And these are coming from local population. The day is not far when entire humanity will be running for its survival. No time should be lost in containing this threat to human survival. Each one of us should decide wheter we are pro-terror or anti-terror. No excuses, no arguments, only oppose terror by all means.

For that you will have to go to another world where there is no religion. In this world religion will always be there, you like it or not.

Even SC is finding it difficult to ensure that they are punished. The entire MCD is corrupt including its political bosses.

You are wrong. How can Allah asking for blood of innocent people be called merciful and great? Such Allah is in fact is a shaitan. Allah does not like hate and violance. Allah is love.

Yes, you are right. Blame for killings of women and children goes to Hezbollah.

You have raised a valid point and your analysis is logical.

It is my considered opinion. If my opinion is in agreement with your opinion it is good. Any convergence of views is always good.

LeT Chief (allegedly under house arrest in Pakistan) has asked India not at attack PoK terror training camps. He said that, if attacked, Indian PM will discover the cost of such adventures. What more proof is required that terror training camps are working in PoK?

Hitler did it in his lifetime. He is dead and so are his brain-washed followers. But Mohammad's brain-washed followers will harm the humanity till eternity.

But when terrorists attack India these nations ask for proof and praise Pakistan as being their ally in fighting terrorism. To hell with their double standards.

Even after this US will keep on supporting Pakistan and maintain double standards on terror attacks in India by Pakistan sponsored terror groups.

It is a brave act, to attack from front. The cowardly act is islamic jehad, attacking from behind. In both attacks however, innocent people are killed. Violance should be condemned but not selectively.

It really might prove very effective.

See the amusing part. Earlier, as per this article, people used to prostrate themselves before stones, idols, trees, animals, cows and cow-dung, and now they prostrate before his dargah at Ajmer. So what has changed?

Will you give some more details?

Another inefficient and money making institution. No Sir, it will not serve the purpose. Infrastructure to tackle floods is laready available with every city administration. But what they do, claim that all preparations have been made and then fail to handle first heavy shower. Rather than creating more departments it will be better to make people accountable in existing departments.

Yes, the development has not been planned and it certainly has not taken environmental concerns into account while taking over agricultural land and other open spaces for building concrete buildings.Your concern is genuine that we are slowly moving towards path of destruction.

What is amusing in this? It is normal behaviour in politics. The amusing part is that Prime Minister of India has not won an election in his life. He contested one election to LS and lost. Then he went to Guwahati and created papers that he live there to come to RS.

Natwar Singh is a politician and in politics such behaviour is normal.

Before firing rockets from backyards of homes, Hezbollah should have thought that Israel will attack these positions. Those who hide behind women and children are more responsiblke for their death.

How do you condemn the reaction of Israel and don't say anything about the action of Hezbollah?

I have always believed that only a handful of muslims are terrorists but recent terror attacks in India, latest being Mumbai blasts, have compelled me to change my belief. This handful number has increased to cover a very large section of muslims. I find it amusing that some muslims still try to justify these terror attacks and find faults with non-muslims of nursing hate towards muslims. I, for one, feel sad about increasing number of muslims going the violant way.

I tend to agree with you.

You can apply for copies of these declarations under RTI Act. If there are differences then you can ask EC why no action has been taken.

There is something wrong here. This man is out to create unnecessary trouble. It is better to ignore him.

It is a war and wars are always barbaric and inhuman. But still people engage themselves in war. Both sides jusify their reasons for going to war, and blame other side for forcing war.

It is not destrucive criticism. Mumbai administration has failed miserably in its job. In US it was a rare situation but in Mumbai it is a routine situaton every year.

Unprincipled negatism has become a hallmark of Indian politics. Polticians belonging to different political parties only blame other parties for every wrong and take credit for every right. To seek confidence of the people they find faults in others' policies and programmes. Hardly they explain their own policies and programmes. Recently Sonia Gandhi said in a public meeting that SP Govt at UP is a bunch of self-seekers. What about her own Govt at Center and some states, and if one goes for facts what about all other parties? They are all self-seekers. She further categorised SP Govt of being totally incapable of efficient administration. She charged it with feathering its own nest at the cost of the common men.She goes to the extreme, "UP Govt is not a personal fiefdom of any infdividual or a party". Now, you put 'Center' or 'name of other states' in place of 'UP' and that will be the right picture for all governments working in India.

Credibility or otherwise of Volcker report is of no importance now. Now this applies to Pathak report.

It should become a people's movement.

You are asking for apology from PM and his resignation. Has it been established that report was leaked by PMO?

Yes and that is why they are a criminal waste of public money.

I think it would be better to say 'pass the buck' report.

I don't know why my reply did not get posted. I once again say that you have already posted this message in this thread itself and there are some comments also. Why post it again?

File an application under RTI Act. Also ask him in the application, what is the Govt policy on air conditioner, fan and the lights keeping on in the offices when no body is there.

Yes, you can ask for a copy of relevant papers. You need to make an application and deposit the required fee.

Natwar Singh, former external affairs minister in Manmohan Singh's govt, is moving a previlage motion against Manmohan Singh. The issue is leakage of the report to media. Strange are the ways of these politicians.

We have been talking a lot about RTI Act. It will be advisable to get some personal experience to get a feel how it works.

It is half verdict. People know that only Natwar Singh was not involved.

Manmohan Singh might have assured Natwar Singh but why did he went with that assurance. How many assurances Manmohan Singh has given and hounoured as PM?

What UN intervention? Lebanon has rejected UN draft for ceasefire.

Yes, no comments. Religion is a personal matter and not a topic for discussion in an open forum.

It is a war. You can not blame only Israel for it. If war is bad then both parties should be blamed. Perhaps Hezbollah thought that Israel will also behave like India. And if kidnapping of two persons turned in to a war then Hezbollah is to be blamed for that.

Any action is bound to have a reaction. If the reaction is against humanity then action must also be against humanity. Both action and reaction are unjustified in this case.

Magsaysay Award is not given by Indian Govt, so what purpose will be served by returnimng it? The agency which gives this award appreciates and understands the importance of free flow of information.

This is the one of the most dark periods in the history of congress governance of India. Congress stand on criminals in cabinet, office-of-profit bill, amendment to RTI Act are some examples.

Every right thinking person should oppose this amendment.

Politics has become a dirty game now. It has affected every aspect of people's life. Even essential needs of the people like water, electricity, transport etc are affected by decisions taken purely to serve political needs. Conflict with Pakistan is also seen as a tool to take political advantage. These politicians don't thnk before opening their mouth and say anything which looks to them as bring some political advantage. True to their character, politicians are exploiting Kargil heroes and their sacrifices for political gains.

I am not saying any such thing. I believe in parliamentary democracy where people are supreme who have constituted the parliament for governance of the nation by people's representatives after proper debate and by majority opinion.

I second your appeal but will they listen? Why not create a petition on-line?

I support your views. Yes, it is time for our political and legal systems to jolt themselves away from this blissful complacency and speed up the justice in all cases of injustice, discrimination, violance...

Linking all rivers is very old proposal but no govt has given it a serious thought. They have no vision. They wake up only when there are floods.

Yes, there should be no sympathy for those who are directly or indirectly connected with terrorism.

From the messages posted it is seen that majority opinion on this board is that Israel attack on Lebanon (Hezbollah) is justified. Also people do not like the soft approach of Indian Govt towards terror attacks on Indian soil.

This expenditure is criminal waste of public money.

Why it is a shame to parliament? Shame should be on parliamentarians, govt or babus who have leaked it.

Why don't you file an application to know the reasons for delay? They may say that file is not avialble. Then you can appeal to CIC, who most likely will not accept this excuse. I have seen it in one case where a department gave such excuse and CIC did not accept this and forced them act and also made negative comments on concerned officers' performance.

It is not an Indian's voice but the voice of all Indians.

I will say that proposed changes in CrPC are a progressive step howsoever insignificant.

I don't think Indian judiciary merit thanks here as it is primarily responsible for the acquital and then long delay in this case.

Yes, that should be the spirit.

You are right. The amendment approved by the cabinet makes India the only democratic country to kill the free flow of information under a law of the land. You have rightly coined CGO and GCP for corrupt babus and politicians.

Please don't loose heart so early. Let us fight to keep it effective.

You are right. Also people are not required to state the purpose for seeking information. RTI Act is the most progressive legislation of independent India empowering the people to seek information about issues which are important for them as individulas and also as group of citizens of this country. People should use it without any fear.

The least Mumbai Admin could have done is - learning lessons from previous floods to carry out proper planning to handle floods in future, its effective & efficient implementation, regular monitoring and review. The admin failed on all counts.

The current issue is the leakage of Pathak Committee report. Let us see what govt says on this.

Hate is the reason of all violance in the world. Islam does not teach hate but some of its followers think otherwise. They think that violance against non-muslims will bring them nearer to Allah. If they start thinking in a positive manner then terror will automatically reduce significantly.

Yes, that is a logical requirement needed by the society. But politicians will waste this money elsewhere. If children belonging to under privilaged families are educated properly then they will not need any quota to enter centers of higher education. They will get admission anywhere on their own merit. This will kill vote banks endangering politicians' survival.

The united movement of the people in case of Jessica Laal, Priyadarshini matto, Nitish Katara have borne fruit. Cabinet has approved Crminal Procedure Code - only women judges to try rape cases, all victims will have the right of appeal against acquittal of accused, lawyers can accompany rape victims during in-camera questioning, video recording to be treated as evidence, witnesses can complain to magistrate if pressured by accused, statements of witnesses and accused to be recorded in presence of a magistrate. A progressive change no doubt.

If allowed to remain intact, RTI Act is sure an empowering tool for the people. But babus's govt is out to kill this most progressive legislation of independent India. It is sad that India will be celeberating its 60th independence day with people fighting with their representatives to protect their right to information.

About trade relations we have no figures but terror has increased with infiltration made easy by the bus service.

"War never brings peace, it is only a temporary settlement". No body will disagree with you. India is not going to war against terrorist for atacks on its people, but where is the peace? We talk and they kill. We create CBMs and they destroy confidence. Have you sought answers to these question in relation to India?

It is a good belief but try to sell it to terrorists/naxalites.

NGOs and social activists should help the common people in villages to get the benefit of RTI Act. There are some NGOs and activists who are doing this.

Even then it should not be quota but empowerment so that economically weaker people gets a level playing field.

Don't take it to heart. I hate violance. I felt miserable on the killings of children. But I feel that this war has been initiated by Hezbollah by kidnapping Isreali soldiers. You need not to prove anything to anyone. But you should remember that what people are talking here is in the background of Mumbai blasts. They are not against Lebanon. They want Indian govt to take actions like Israel has taken.

Who needs to uncover this open secret?

PM is right that RTI could improve governance, but will his govt. of babus allow it? Addressing Chief Secretaries of States in Delhi, Manmohan Singh described the act as "an important legal provision to promote accountability, and consequently promote attitudinal change". But amendment to exempt file notings indicates that there is no attitudinal change in PM and his babus.

My heartiest congratulations to Arvind Kejriwal for being selected for this year's Magsaysay Award for "activating India's right-to-information movement and empowering poor citizens to fight corruption". It is however ironical that when the world is recognizing efforts of peopleike him for making information easily available to the people, the govt is out to kill the act by approving an amendmrnt to exempt file notings from being made public. It seems that the fight is not yet over. Please unite to keep the fight on. We, the ordinary people of India, should support in any manner the soldiers fighting for right to information.

Ten rupees is not a big amount. Yes, postal orders should also be included as mode of payment.

You are right. To save this act, people should be united to fight this govt of babus from killing this act which empowers the people against corrupt babus.

Entire UPA govt is tainted and a liability on India.

Why are we trying to find justification or no-justification in another country's (Israel)attack on Lebanon? India is also facing same situation. We should try to find out the justification in Indian govt not launching such attack on terrorists based in Pakistan?

By remembering the ultimate sacrifice these heroes made for the nation. Remembering does not mean by saying few words on one day in the year and then forgetting them. Nation should do every thing for the families of these heroes which they would got when these heroes were alive.

Mumbai administration has once again proved itself ineffective and inefficient. Monsoion is a regular feature. The admin should have properly planned its actions with deadines, regular monitoring and review. A system should have been in place to introduce necessary corrections if deadlines were not met.The plan should ghave been made public so that media and public could also monitor it and provide feedback to admin. It is nothing but common sense management in which Mumbai admin has moserably failed.

It is really a shame for judiciary and government that cases in Indian courts drag on for long periods. The shame is compounded by no action taken by the concerned people.

History is full of such instances. Whenever people have stood up united things have changed. Have faith in yourself and your fellow citizens.

Stand by his side in his fight for justice.

You have raised valid questions. People have a right to know the answers.

Indian people are united to secure justice for Jessica, Priyadarshini and Nitish.This people's movement will continue till their murderers are punished for their crimes. It is now a war between people on one side and judiciary, police, CBI, lawyers on other side.

Yes, we should have faith in God. He is the ultimate judge and gives justive to everybody as per their actions. No guilty person can get acquital in His court. With people on the side of justice, the courts will have to agree to re-trial and the murderer will be punished.

Crticism is the back-bone of democracy and India is a democracy. What is your problem with the criticism?

Ignoring President's advice is sure a disrespect to his position. No MP should be allowed to hold any office-of-profit. There is no need for any list of offices wghich are exempted from disqualification. This provision gives a handle to already corrupt MPs to indulge in more corruption.

The only sane voice in the country today is that of the President. People should unite and strengthen his hands by creating a people movement in the country against office-of-profit bill. There is no time limit for President to sign the bill. He should put it in a drawer and forget about it. In the meantime EC should complete its examination and should recommend to the President to disqualify the MPs.

Is Delhi really interested in tackling terrorism? Currently the govt seems busy in protecting MPs and babus. Cabinet did not pass any resolution to condemn terror attacks in Mumbai and J&K but cleared amendment to RTI Act and ignored President's advice on office-of-profit bill. This government of babus, for babus and by babus can not ignore USA President's advice but has no hesitation in ignoring India's President's advice.

Why guess, it is a fact.

Save RTI will be a battle between people and babus with government for babus on babus' side. After all it is a government of babus, by babus and for babus.

Our nation is great. Shame only to investigating agencies (CBI and police), lawyers community, judiciary and those who lied in the court.

Yes, unity is the key. People should unite against the corrupt deeds of dirty politicians and babus.

Yes, invesigating agencies and judiciary should take strong action to remove this impression from the minds of common men that they are prone to influence of power and money.

I have requested Arvind Kejriwal and he has e-mailed this article and another article, which he has written today. Any member interested in reading these articles can e-mail me at suresh@betterlife4all.com.

I agree with you that it is a war between peace loving human beings and those in-human beings who feed on hate and killings of innocent human beings.

I am shocked after reading an article 'RTI law mutilated' by Arvind Kejriwal of Parivartan, an NGO working on RTI issues. Babus are not only attacking it from outside (recent amendment approved by cabinet) but have been muilating it from inside. Almost all Information Commissioners are retired babus. Many judgements of Central Information Commission are in violation of RTI Act. The article gives many examples. MB members interested in reading details can refer to TOI (Page 22), of Monday, July 24, 2006. If people of India want RTI Act to remain an effective social tool then it is essential that all retired and serving babus are thrown out of information commissions at center and in states.

I don't understand the attitude of judiciary in this case. Is not HC responsible for hearing the appeal which is pending for so many years? Why so much delay?

Yes, there is a silver lining. People are slowly emerging as a group and claiming their right to justice. Soon it will become a mass movement involving every Indian. Let us keep on uniting. Indian leaders have failed the people. Let the people tell them clearly that we do not like failures and those who fail. Act as per people's or move out.

May God give her the strength to speak truth.

You mean, Nitish Katara's murderers can go that extent?

I also feel the same way. Any supporter of injustice, irrespective of his position and profession, should be declared enemy of people. As a punishment, they should be boycotted by one and all.

Yes, you are right. These self-declared secularists are responsible for killing more indians by passively supporting the terrorists.

Yes, every single Indian should feel outraged like you. No body will then dare to deny justice to any Jessica, Priysdarshini, Nitish and other common people.

Yes, you are right. It is judicial terrorism denying justice to common people. We all are united in our fight against it.

That is the spirit. Keep it up.

It is proper utilization of time - people unitedly fighting to secure justice for Priyadarshini. They have succeede3d in Jessica Lall's case. They will secceed in this case also. It has become a people's movement. This will certainly set things right.

Priyadarshini's murderer is working as a lawyer. Is it not an irony that he practices the same law which he has manipulated/violated to save himself? With so much public anger, don't all those who conspired to save this murderer not feel ashamed of themselves?

Are you blind to people's support in Jessica Lall case and now in Priyadarshini case? Please visit and sign the on-line petition to demand a re-trial in this case.

I hope Indian govt behaves as Israel govt.

You are living in western world. It would be better if you read the history. People serving in military are also human beings.

You have said it. It is all vote bank politics which has made Indian politicians cowards in dealing with terror attacks.

India should learn from Israel how to defend country's hounour. But Indian govt crticizes Israel over attacks on Lebanon to get its soldiers relaesed. This sends a message to the world thatIndian govt will only talk and will never take a strong action against terrorists.

You are right. India has every right to bomb terror camps in POK and other parts of Pakistan.

Success of democracy in any country depends on its people. Democracy is a system of governance which people implement in their day-to-day behaviour. The government, the executive, the judiciary, the media and citizens, all have their roles clearly defined in a democratic setup. If people fail to discharge their roles in an effective, efficient and positive manner then domocracy will fail to deliver its natural benefits. In my opinion, the question should be - Have people failed the democracy in India?

Are you really so ignorant about the reasons of exempting file notings from the scope of RTI Act?

Fanatic muslim states are unleashing terror. Israel is only giving a suitable reply. Such a reply should also come from India but unfortunately current Indian government is not capable of it.

You are wrong. The honour of being the biggest trouble maker of the world goes to that section of muslim population all over the world who believe in jehad as a work of Allah.

That is a very good idea.

Thanks. I have signed it. Including me, 623 people have already signed it. MB members, please visit and sign the petition.

How sonia's critics have been proved wrong by her victory from Rae Bareli? Winning or loosing from Rae Bareli was never the issue. Moreover, if she can not win from Rae Bareli then she should retire from politics. The issue was violation of the law of the land. She has accepted offices of profits in addition to her being a member of LS. And on this she is guilty. By resigning LS membership the guilt can not be washed away. Now when she is back in LS, she and her party is amending the law to call the violation as compliance. Now she is guilty on moral grounds.

I extend my full support to Lall family in their fight for securing justice for Jessica.

Yes, fully justified. India should also attack terror camps in POK.

Let us stand united to secure justice for Lall family. United we will win and murderer(s) of Jessica will be hanged.

It is really unfortunate that justice which should have come to the people as a natural action has to be fought for. It is a blot on Indian judiciary that people have to fight for getting natural justice.

United, people have succeeded in Jessica Lall case. United, we will succeed in Katara and Priyadarshini Matto case also. So stand united friends. The criminals in govt, jusiciary, police, executive will not give justice to people untill unless they ae forced to do that. And only a united people can force them.

Yes, it is the time people of India should stand up united and prevent this govt of babus from killing this act.

Unite to oppose this anti-people amenedment to RTI Act. RTI Act is one such legislation enacted in independent India which empowers common men to fight for their rights and ensure justice to all. Save it from the babus and their government.

If we want that RTI Act remains an effective social tool then we should oppose this amendment in any way we can. Send e-mails to people known to you. Write letters to newspaper editors.

Anybody supporting terrorists, directly or indirectly, is a terrorist.

I extend my support to Lall family and pray to God for the culprits to suffer divine retribution many times over.

Citizens can beat babus but the peoblem is that every citizen is himself a babu from within.

It is not confused law. It is law violated by the govt, the judiciary, the executive, the politicians and the people.

You are right, but all of us should share the blame for this injustice. Let each of us look within us and find out what we have done to ensure justice in such cases. There is a link on another board. Visit it and sign the on-line petition for re-trial in this case.

Friends if you want that RTI Act should work as an effective social tool then stand up and oppose with all your might, the amendment approved by the cabinet. If this amendment becomes the law then this information law become totally ineffective.

Laxman, the famous cartoonist has said it - "OK, You have clear evidence that country is responsible for the bomb blasts. But how to announce it without being sure of what Mr. Bush's reaction would be to our revealing it?"

The UPA govt has dealt its first blow to RTI Act by approving this amendment. Govt wants to protect corruption as it depends on it.

I feel very strongly. I fully support re-trial in this case. I have also signed the TOI on-line petition addressed to PM. I request all MB users to sign this petition.

UPA Govt has dealt the first blow to empowerment of common men under RTI Act, by exempting file notings fron the scope of the act. What should I, a common man, say to this aam aadmi ki sarkar - thank you or shame on you?

Thanks. Someone has already filed an application under RTI Act to find out about gag on websites and blogs.

As per reported by NDTV on its website - "Wednesday, July 19, 2006 (New Delhi): A day after they were shut down by the government bloggers in India have decided to take action. A blogger in Sonepat filed a right to information application on Wednesday demanding to know why they have been blocked. A group of bloggers is also meeting in Delhi to discuss what will be their next step. The main questions that the application asks are: * Has there been a directive issued by the government to blocks certain domains? * Why has this blanket block come into force? * When will the block cease to exist? * What form of redressal does an Indian citizen have to ensure that these websites are no longer blocked? NDTV has learnt that the ISPs have been told to refine and target website blocking. Sources have told NDTV only four websites were to be blocked and that too only at the sub domain level."

RTI is a vey effective social tool. It will chnage the face of Indian society. I have high hopes from this legislation.

Eveybody in govt is trying to advocate reservation. They conveniently (but at the cost of social justice) forget that strong base building at primary and secondary education level is a must for higher education. Without this they will always need the crutches of reservation. At the second thought, these politicians also want that people are always dependebnt on reservations. Through this they do their vote bank politics.

Provision regarding covering of Private bodies under the RTI Act is - All private bodies, which are owned, controlled or substantially financed by the Government are directly covered. Others are indirectly covered. That is, if a government department can access information from any private body under any other Act, the same can be accessed by the citizen under the RTI Act through that government department. Is NDTV covered under RTI Act in view of above peovision?

People should use RTI and stop bothering about till when it will last.

Can anybody give me the name, address and other contact details of Public Information Officer in Department of Telecommunications, appointed under the provisions of RTI Act?

It is the duty of their elders to ensure that no govt is allowed to play with the future of children, who are the future of the nation. It is unfortunate that elders have failed the children. Now youth have taken up this issue in the form of anti-reservation movememnt. Providing primary and secondary education to all without any discrimination is one of the essential element of YFE movement.

People of India should not allow any reservation based on religion. It will be taking the policy of minority appeasement to illogical limits.

Observe two minute silence today at 0625 PM and pray for those who lost their lives in inhuman terorist attack in Mumbai.

It is a good legislation. But some people will find fault in every thing.

It is a very good suggestion.

Government should, no doubt, take initiative in this regard, but media, NGOs, social activists and people, all should contribute in the awareness programme. Many such groups and people are already doing it. Slowly more and more people are carrying this message forward.

Immediately after 7/11, the department of telecommunication issued a fiat to the 150-odd internet-service poviders to clamp down on a handful of sites, such as, blogspot.com. This site is very popular as a large number of bloggers create their blogs on thi site. I have also created number of blogs on this site. If Maha govt thinks that members of banned organizations were using certain blogs to transmit messages to their members then a blanket ban is not the solution. Bombs have exploded in some trains. Will govt stop running all the trains? This clampdown amounts to repression of free speech and Maha govt has overstepped its bounds. Many blogs are doing great social service.

One of the main objects of RTI Act is bringing transparency in administration. Awareness is also increasing about its benefits and more and more people are making use of this tool. Information officers appointed under this act are held accountable if infomation is not provided within specific time.

What then you propose? I hope it is not to scrap RTI Act?

Mr. A K Gupta, I find your message both interesting and funny - 'your country', 'your intelligence'. Has Musurraf appointed you as his agent on this board and with that have you ceased to be an Indian?

Trying, we should do. Success and failure come afterwards.

Yes, sunami has struck. Five people have died. Read the full story - http://www.ndtv.com/breakingnews/default.asp?refno=717200662154PM

Environmental abuse disturbs the balance in nature and it results in such calamities.

These issues must have been discussed in detail when RTI bill was introduced in Parliament. Now this is a law and people want to make use of it to know what has happened. Also, there is Central Information Commission which will look into the issue of what information should be shared or not.

For decades information has been kept a closely guarded secret. To open it to all is naturally being resisted by bureaucrats, who have acting as per their whims-n-fancies under the garb of secrecy. But the people, who are benefitted by the act, should use it with full commitment irrespective of any resistance.

Well said. It is only people who are insulted again and again by these politicians.

People can not wait for bureaucrats to become honest. There will be difficulties, no doubt in the beginning, but slowly things will set down. Fortunately Central Information Commission is doing a good job. Almost all its decisions are coming in favour of information seekers.

It will bring required transparency in the working. Ad hocism and decisons on personl whims & fancies will be reduced. People will know for their satisfaction that how and why a decsion has not gone in their favour.

Innocent people are killed in terror attacks. When union cabinet meets to discuss it these two ministers play their game of inciting communal hatred between Hindus and Muslims. They should be dismissed and treated like any other terrorist.

I hope you are not being funny. It is a serious development. Such children will be a liability on society as they will turn to crimes.

RTI, if used in a pro-active manner, will prove itself a very effective tool for removing various evils, such as corruption, from Indian society. Evils are cretted and fluorish in the absence of right information or on incomplete and incorrect information. This tool will enable people to get right information and it will create an atmosphere where it will be difficlt for any evil to grow or sustain.

You must write to Central Information Commission to get the right information.

This is an area which needs lot of improvememt. EC has failed to protect voters' interests. Their names are deleted even when they are having photo ID cards. Then somebody else will cast their vote and they will have to reurn just like that.Voters always get a raw deal whenever there is a problem.

As per news reports UPA govt has burried right to education bill to make way to quota in elite institutions. What is important the reporter asks - sending 17 crore children to school or vote bank politics. Answer of UPA govt is 'later'. The reason given is lack of funds. UPA govt needs lot of funds to implement quota in higher institutions so children will have to make sacrifice at primary and secondary education stage and take the seats in elite institution under quota. But here those children are also being forced to sacrifice who do not belong to OBC category. Their future is dark. The bill incidently would have made education a fundamental right for children in the 6 - 14 age group. Shame on Aam aadmi ki sarkar.

Yes, India as a nation should respond to this menace of terrorism. There should be no politics on this. Terrorists, their sponsors and supporters should be paid back in their own coin.

He should be sacked immediately. Indian people should boycott him.

The 14 residents of South Delhi Nehru Nagar - one of them eight months pregnant - went to discuss their problem with Delhi Jal Board but were arrested and spent four days in Tihar jail where they were forced to clean uoilets. These residents have not got a drop of water in their houses since January this year. This is the sarkar of aam aadmi. DJB officials were not happy as they dared to blame them for no water. The police was not happy as they were seen as trouble creaters (a pregnant lady amongdt them). The judge did not like them and sent them to jail. Terrorist strike and kill innocent people in one stroke. Aam aadmi ki sarkar kill innocent people slowly. What is the difference between this sarkar and terrorists.

Please don't highlight what is not being said. No body is blaming the entire muslim community. But it is a fact that pakistani terrorists get the logistic support of local muslims as without that it is not possible to carry out such terrorist attacks. Number of such muslims is not large but it is sufficient to convert terrorist plans in to killing of innocent people.

Please approach Central Information Commission.

You are right but quota traders are out to create divisions.

Indian politicians have failed the people, the society, the nation. You are right that these politicians have divided India in to bits and pieces. Today, peoples' repesntatives have become the worst enemies of the people. As a votor, I feel ashamed of elected representatives from my area. They have secured their positions by dividing the people to an extent that it is impossible to dislodge them. People get a chance once in five years to change them, but what good it brings to them? Nothing, a politician is defeated and another one is elected. All are same. Now the situation is that these politicians live in peace and the people fight for them. Even this board has been affected by this.

Yes, you can have access to these documents. You can also ask for the reasons of not processing your loan.

Information has been suppressed from the people so far. Now the people have a system of getting information which was denied to them so far. This act will make life tension free for the people as there will be transparency in the dealings.

It hurts me when someone tries to impose himself on an institution and especially when such a person projects himself as the sole authority and overall responsible for institution�s effective functioning. It further hurts me when this person claims that he is interfering in public interest. Union health minister Ramadoss is such a person who is imposing himself on India�s premier medical institution unmindful of the adverse effects it is having on the performance of the institution and patients� interests. If one goes by the aims and objects of this institution when it was created in 1956, Ramadoss�s political interference in AIIMS affairs is totally unwarranted, unacceptable, illogical and against public interest. Removal of Dr. Venugopal, Director AIIMS, has hurt the feelings of all those who believe that no body is above an institution and people of academic excellence should be treated with utmost respect. Additional Solicitor General appearing on behalf of the Ramadoss (unfortunately Indian government) said in HC that Venugopal�s removal was necessitated by �public interest� and his �miserable failure� as AIIMS Director. See what Justice Anil Kumar, who stayed Venugopal�s removal, said in reply to this submission � �Ouster of such an eminent doctor whose professional eminence fortunately has not been disputed by the respondents (Ramadoss & others) may be a great loss not only to the institution but to the general public at large. He pulled up the authorities for not producing any evidence to prove his poor performance as an administrator. He held July 5 action of the government to terminate Venugopal�s services as �vitiated�. He further held that Venugopal�s removal was against the principle of natural justice, as he has not been given a �reasonable notice and hearing� before the decision to remove him was taken. People of India should rise and protest against this naked political interference in India�s premier medical institution. If anybody is to be removed then it is Ramadoss.

What happened yesterday in Srinagar and Mumbai has hurt me. I was not present there physically so no harm came to me physically. But I felt as though the blasts have ripped through my entire existence, the body and the soul. All my countrymen and people outside India, who believe in love, must have felt the same. With hurt I am also feeling ashamed that those who killed innocent people are human beings like me. Hate is ungodly. God wishes all his children to love each other. He does not sanction hate. Any human being indulging in hate is committing a crime against God and His will. What these killers of humanity have achieved? If they think that they have done what their God wished them to do and will be pleased by their act then they are mistaken. No God will be pleased with those who kill His children. If there is such a god who is pleased by these killings then he is not a god but Shaitan. If they think that they have served their co-religionists here, in J&K or in their own nation then again they are mistaken, as nations are not built on hate. We know it. We have seen it. They built their nation on hate by carving out a portion of united India and the result is there for everybody to see. Day and night, they are only thinking of how to harm India, and for this purpose they spend lot of their energy and resources which could have been used for building up their nation. Their primary duty is for the well-being of their people but this hate has blunt their thinking and today they can not think anything other than hate, hate and hate. They say that they are Muslims and are carrying out the work of Islam. They have become so blind that they do not see that long back they have ceased to be Muslims. A Muslim, by the will of Allah, is required to love and not hate. How can a Muslim claim that he is a Muslim, as he believes in Allah and then go out kill Allah�s children? Today, by their hate-acts they have given a bad name to their co-religionists all over the world. People of other faiths see every Muslim as a terrorist, look at Islam as a religion of violence, a curse on humanity and a potential destroyer of all human beings. This is what these killers have achieved and will continue to achieve for themselves, their religion and their nation. Hate only destroys. To build there is only love. I ask every Muslim to rise against these killers and warn them not to use the name of Islam or Allah in their hate-acts. Muslim communities all over the world should declare these killers as children of shaitan.

I wish to congratulate YFE for seeking information, under RTI Act, from HRD ministry and other government bodies about Ramadoss�s misuse of his powers and anti-people actions, and also ill conceived anti-people reservation policy. The office-of-profit act will surely nail Ramadoss. He has parked himself in AIIMS Guest House, appointed an OSD to be paid by AIIMS funds and brought his relatives into the AIIMS governing body. If this is not office-of-profit then �� YFE application also seeks information on � �we want to know exactly what he is entitled to and why. SC has ruled that the health minister could become the President of AIIMS by default but the AIIMS Act was later amended to say that no body in the governing body was allowed to hold a government position. YFE also want a clarification on why the minister landed up in AIIMS during anti-reservation strike for treating patients there. How could he treat patients at AIIMS just like that? Does that mean that any doctor can come and start practicing at the institute? Other YFE application seeks all relevant data about reservation. This I am sure will expose the government and Arjun Singh.

Shiv Sainiks have been hurt by this cowardly act of some anti-social elements. But the way they have expressed their hurt is wrong. Violance is no answer to hurt. They could have organized silent protests and prayers. But Shiv Sainiks have used this incident only to show their power. This in my opinion is nothing but showing disrespect to the memory of Mrs. Thackeray. Their violant protests have put them in the same class of those anti-social elements who insulted her.

The hurt and the expression. I fully sympathize with you.

No, he did not. Don't get your facts mixed up.

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This topic has become irrelevant. What was to happen has happened. Delete his topic.

Thanks for the correction.

Oh dear, it is certainly not that bad.

But seeing only negative is certainly not the reality of 21st century India. The reality of 21st century India is looking at things in their right perspective and not with a pre-set negative angle.

Yes. You may file an application to know the details of inspection carried out by Drug Inspectors of the hospital pharmacy and verify if it meets the provisions of Drugs & Cosmetics Act. This will put some fear in the minds of these bribe demanding inspectors. Any mistake on their part may put them in trouble.

I agree with you that people should use this instrumwent to force those in power to behave and act in peoples' and national interest. There may be obstacles but people should not loose their faith in RTI Act.

You say most of the politicians, and I say all politicians.

You really work hard to see negative aspects in any thing.

I am totally against strike. It is a negative way of showing dissent. People are opposing dismissal of Dr. Venugopal beacuse it is an unwanted interference in the working of AIIMS autonomy. People do not like the way Ramadoss is behaving. In my opinion, UPA government and Ramadoss is much more responsible for the strike. If the situation was handled in a responsible manner then there would have been no strike. If anybody should be dismissed for strike then it is Ramadoss.

Yes, you have said it and said it right. Will the premier medical institution of India be allowed to be destroyed because of the ego of a politician who has become minister in a political give-and-take game?

This government will also continue for five years against the people's wishes.

As per an article written by Shekhar Singh in TOI of satusday, 8th July, Administrative Reforms Commission (ARC) has made at-least three such recommendations, in the name of strengthening the act, which will fundamentally undermine the RTI Act. It seems that bureaucrats will not give in easily and will keep on creating obstacles in the path of free flowing information.

Any government which can not satisfy basic needs of the people has no moral right to be in the seat of governance. Present UPA government has lost every moral right to be there. It came into governance by sheer manipulation of numbers and now trying to save itself by threats of these same numbers. It has become a coalition of various governments headed by respective alliance partners with Manmohan Singh as a non-functional captian of the loosing team.

I only wonder whether we have one government at the centre or every minister is running his own government? Sardar Ji seems to have been made only a 'mukhouta' to showcase that it is a government for aam aadmi.

Will MK play the role of left now?

I have very high hopes from this measure. Free flow of information is a must for any society to develop. It removes suspician which creates rift between human beings. It will keep babus and politicians in check as they will be knowing that any time anybody can look into what they have been doing. Thgings are not going to change as a miracle but slowly there will be a change in peoples' attitude. On our part, let us use this instrument in its right perspecive and for betterment of all.

Has the Principal Secretary replied to your e-mail? I am asking this as I am still waiting for reply to my request made to IRCTC.

The government is not ready to reduce tax burden on fuel. It puts heavy taxes and make fuel very costly and then give subsidy to oil companies. The pocket of common man is picked and proceeds are shared by oil companies and government.

It is the collective wisdom of common men which changes the society. Free information sharing will make the process easier. RTI Act is a positive instrument. Ley us use it to change ourselves and the society.

A petition has been created on-line for sending to the President and Chief Justice of India, asking them for re-trial in this case. Her murderer is roaming free and is working as a lawyer in Delhi court. It is a blot on INdian society and judiciary. Join the fight for justice. Sign the petition. http://www.petitiononline.com/mattoo/petition.html

Another case is BJP asking for information in Election Commissioner Navin Chawla case under RTI Act.

Will you please give the details.

It is being used for general public welfare.

You are right. Some NGOs or social workers can take up this job of educating and assisting common people in such areas.

Yesterday I saw on a TV channel how a rikshapuller has used RTI Act provisions to get his dues from the government.

You are forgetting heavy taxation.

Terrorists have no respect for any religion. They commit crimes against humanity in the name of God, the creator of the human beings.

You have rightly analyzed the issue. It is sad that government and court both have dealt with doctors in a shameful manner. Doctors certainly deserve a resapectful treatment. In my opinion they are fighting against an evil in the society for which politicians are responsible.

MCD and Vigilance Commission have been pulled up by Rights Commission for adopting delaying tactics in giving information under RTI Act provisions. This shows that bureaucracy is hell bent on defeating the purpose of this positive legislaion. CVC, which always talks of transparency in other departments, is itself working in non-transparent manner.

No body will disagree with you that evil caste system should be destroyed. Rather everybody on this board has agreed with you on this point. You should now move further and come out with some prcatical solutions to eradicate this evil.

This minister Ramodass has no respect for promises made by the PM, Manmohan Singh and the directions given by SC. He should first apply, 'No-work no-pay' principle to 'Lok Sabha' and 'Rajya Sabha' where work is disrupted as a routine and the people are made to pay them. His interference in the autonomy of AIIMS is totally unwarranted. PM should discipline his indisciplined health minster.

You forget that doctors have worked day and night after the strike was called off. They were not paid for these extra working hours.

But appointing and publishing the names of APO/PO & the appeallte authority is a mandatory requirement in the RTI Act. How come Orissa government is violating this mandatory requirement?

Well he gave an excuse - that he forgot to file IT return.

I am not putting blame on congress only. Every political party is to be blamed for this. What I said in my message that congress has abandoned the policy of its great leader Rajiv Gandhi. It is a total turn-around of what Rajiv said in his speech on caste-based reservation when congress was in opposition. Now why congress comes in front of any discussion on caste-based reservation is due to the fact that it is the ruling party today and is pushing caste-based reservations.

But how this all evil,corrupted caste system will go? Who will push it out - the people, the government, the politicians? Do you have any suggestions in this regard?

Why ask for the seats? Why not ask for equal opportunities. Asking seats is certainly asking for charity. Asking for equal opportunities is a matter of right.

I fully agree with your views.

I will agree that it is not lack of merit but lack of 'opportunities', but reservation policy does not bridge the gap. It widens it.

Who is justifying the fuel price hike? Not the common man who has been worst affected by it and also price rise in essential commodities and vegetables.

Yes, it will bring transparency in governance and transparency will reduce corruption.

I fully agree with your views.

RTI Act has certainly empowered people. But more awareness is needed. At the same time the resistance from the departments has to be faced by the people, where information is not coming out smoothly. Concerned officials try to delay giving information on one pretext or the other. One has to be determined to get the information.

Now CWC has also blamed Delhi Govt. The blame game was started by Sonia Gandhi and was taken up by one and all.

It is not people on this board only but Comgress Working Committee has also blamed Delhi Government for price hike.

Now congress-led UPA government at the centre and Delhi's congress government are putting blame on each other for price hike in vegetables and other essential commodities.

Meira Kumar is the daughter of Jagjiwan Ram. She has taken benefits of reservation throughout her life. Now her children are taking these benfits. Is it not shameful for her, an ex-IAS, now a minister, to continue to take advantage of quota and denying this to the real needy? Now she wants to increase reservation % for SC in view of the increase in their population. If she and others like her (creamy layer)stop taking reservation benefits then increased SC population can get benefits without actually increasing the percentage.

Congress high command has taken a poor view of Delhi government's failure to act against hoarding of commodities and deliberate ramping up of vegetable prices by profiteers who have taken advantage of seasonal supply shortfalls. This clearly indicates that price hike is artifically created and in this anti-people act both the profiteers and Delhi government have colluded to serve their vested interests.

Pro-reservationists please answer.

A war has started in congress for claiming credit for introducing 27% reservation for OBC. Before this war turns uglier, congress should frame a policy for giving credit to its ministers for their self-less service to Indian society for introducing and/or supporting reservation. Existing reservation percentage for SC, ST and OBC should be introduced in this case also. All SC, ST, OBC and general category ministers should be given credit only as per this percentage. This will be an example for other parties and groups to follow. To further honour these social reformers, UPA government should start an award, in line with Padma awards, for these people.

It is surprising that govt was not monitoring the price hike of pulses and vegetables. Other political parties were also sleeping on this. Even media had failed to pick it up. People have been feeling the pinch for quite sometime. This deafening silence on the part of these agencies suggests that some vested interests were working behind doors. Fuel price hike was the last straw on camel's back. Aam aadmi ki sarkar has forgetten aam aadmi.

I was surprised when I found that it was said by Rajiv Gandhi in 1990, when he was participating in the debate in Parliament on Mandal report. Now after 15 years, the ministers in the government of his own party are doing this - provoking caste wars. Arjun Singh and Meira Kumar are competing with each other in doing what V P Singh and ministers in his government did at that time. The chairperson of congress at that time opposed it. Now the chairperson of congress is supporting this. And incidentally, they are husband and wife. The politics of power brings out surprising attributes in peoples' thinking and action. If caste-based reservation was wrong at that time then how it can become right now, in a span of just 15 years. Is this the real face of congress - divide the society on caste lines and rule?

The resignation, the re-election are all over. Let us devote our time and energy to some other good issues.

Studying in reputed colleges certainly helps as propsective employers prefer students coming out of these colleges. If some one gets internship in a good company and proves his or her worth then it will be a good opening opportunity. But the information you are seeking will not be avialable on this forum. For that you must contact someone on NDTV staff.

Elections are over. A new govt is in office. This topic can now be deleted from list of active topics and put in archive.

Joining good college and having right skills both are important.

Sonia has proved herself wrong that she had sacrificed her LS membership.

NO, No, No, No, ...........No,.....

President has forgetten that Indian people do not respect him as he is President of India, but for his personal qualities and as he is a good human being. His approach on reservation is baffling. He can resign on this issue. That will raise his status to the sky. Simply repeating what this useless govt is planning to do is lowering his status in peoples'eyes.

Quotas can not ensure social justice. They can only shift social injustice from one group to another. As a side effect they create hatred between people.

PM has completed a formality by expressing shock at the murder. This is the maximum this government can do.

The recent kidnapping and killing of an engineer shows that the security given to Indians in Afghanistan is not foolproof.

I join you in the prayers for his speedy recovery.

The people pay.

Leader telling followers - I resignand you tout it as a sacrifice. You don't resign and keep on making money by sticking to all offices of profit.

These politicians have polluted democracy to such an extent that it has started stinking. They manipulate not only people but democratic institutions as well and put them against each other.They have divided society in to so many groups that it is difficult to count. Country's future is not safe in their hands.

"Discouraging her partymen to follow her", why?

I pray to God for his early recovery.

Politicians see politics as a business and not service. For them being in politics is also being in power. Untill unless this mentality changes nothing good can be expected from politicians. Thanks for your good wishes for india nd Indians. I reciprocate the same.

I thought that SC has settled all these issues.

No, Sonia Gandhi and her congressmen will be there along with left MPs and MLAS.

You are really funny asking a politician to donate.

There should be a penalty for delayed justice also. Anybody found responsible for creating situations which result in delayed justice should be punished.

I fully agree with you. They are representatives of the people and are required to act as their role model. If such people will become lawless then what ideals people will have to follow. In my opinion they should not only be sacked by criminal cases should be initiated against them.

Congress chief has done sacrifice.

Selective and sponsored!!

Sardar Sarovar Dam is a reality now. NBA activists and other people should realize this and concentrate their efforts on rehabilitation of displaced persons. SC is positively inclined on this aspect. Central government is surely indifferent to the plight of displaced persons. UPA minister has proposed stopping the work at dam. It was almost done but for Modi's protest which was later joined by congress leaders amd workers. PM has also shown an indifferent approach by putting the ball in SC court. SC has taken a balanced approach. Concerned governments including central government should learn from this and discharge their duty to rehabilitate displaced persons in an appropriate manner.

In India muslims are already getting much more than what other muslims get in declared Islamic states.

Yes, this is unethical. The rules benefitting MPs andf MLAs should be vetted by another constitutional authority or there should be public hearing before a rule is made.

The easiest way for citizens of Delhi or any other city is to stop providinbg any direct or indirect support to terrorists. Terrorists need place to live, money to buy explosives, transport, communication equipment and various other necessities. All these are provided by local people under some misplaced beliefs. If people decide to isolate the terrorists they can not stay in a city even for a minute.

Congratulations and thanks for posting such a nice analysis of this issue.

By resigning she has avoided enbarressment of being disqualified. She has been violating the law for quite sometime by holding many offices of profit. Praising Sonia Gandhi for this is a bad reflection of the mindset of a large section of Indian people.

It makes me sad. What has happened to Indian pride? Perhaps it is the effect of Kalyug. Tricksters are respected and their tricks are termed as sacrifices.

I think it is justified. There are other ways to earn a honourable living. Government should create better employment opportunities.

When political leaders found doing unlawfull act and resign, it is called sacrifice.

Adevani is perhaps motivated by his earlier yatra and feels that this yatra will also be successful. In politics strategies never become obsolete. See minority appeasement and reservation for building and nurturing vote banks.

Politicians do not sit at home. See the case of V P Singh. He can hardly move outdoor but reached the Yamuna bank to protest against removal of jhuggis as per court orders.

Till when Indian people will be casting negative votes?

If government does not let vote bank politics to mess up the academic standards of the institutions of academic excellence then how it will get votes of OBC voters. Muslim votes are already divided between many secular parties.

Court might have declared it illegal but the ghost of Bannerjii commission is going to haunt the people for quite some time.

BJP is an opposition party and will always target her. What is wrong in this? If she is upset on such targetting then she can sit at home. BJP did not invite her to come in politics.

She will fail if judged on your criteria.

I think SC should close down High Court and other Courts in Gujrat and shift them to Delhi to be under direct supervision of SC and various secular organizations.

Perhaps these people are feeling sad on the suicide committed by Kar Sewaks by torching the train from inside!!

And see the foolishness of judiciary who has declared this commendable job as illegal!!

urfunny, what is the meaning of 'a lie' after your sentence?

What is imaginative about them? Political will is must to ensure that the project of Disaster Management Mechanism is successful. Information to the people is an essenial element of this mechanism.

I find disqualification of Jaya Bachchan highly discriminatory. Only she has been disqualified out of many complaints. Why EC is dragging its feet on other complaints?

Who is bothered about these things? Buta Singh recommended fresh election in Bihar and UPA government ordered huge loss of money and man-hours. Lalu ordered a parallel commission of inquiry which has now been declared illegal by the court. They are touting Sonia's resignation as sacrifice. A person sacrificing a position does not go for the same post. Sacrifices are done for higher values.

Will you please give some examples of public welfare?

I am sure they will.

What about the violation of law of the land?

Will you please give some examples of public welfare?

What about the violation of law of the land?

India certainly has capability to handle natural disasters. The only thing needed is poliical will. A disaster management mechanism is being put under place. Let us hope it reaches its logical conclusion.

It is not right to give credit where it is not due. Her resignation was to pre-empt disqualification. She all along knew that she was breaking the law and did not resign till all her efforts failed to save her LS seat. Every politician in India is holding public position for personal gains. Is public position necessary to do service to the people and the nation? Politicians draw salary and all other perks due to their LS membership and other offices of profit.

An intelligent message from an intelligent person.

Baneerjee commision is a glaring example of how politicians waste public money to serve their personal political interests. A commission to prepare a made-to-order report. Now HC has ruled that commission itself is illegal.

Rahul is a politician. Successful poliicians speak in the language of their voters. It is the people who allow themselves to be made fool of by these politians. Rahul will become PM and these people will make him PM. People like you or me can not stop this.

Agreed

I agree with your viewpoint.

Since when Naradmuni has started looking in a crystal?

Why have you excluded LS?

I think those who claim that they will sweep the polls should also sweep the streets.

My answer is that she is like any other Indian citizen. Many people are crying as they feel that she is more important to them than their nation.

Sacrificing LS membership and going to Rai Bareli for creating grounds for again becoming LS member somehow does not fit in the definition of sacrifice.

Yes, people on these boards do not stick to topics. There is a reason for it. Messages are not posted easily on all boards. On some boards messages will not be posted, on some boards messages will appear after sometime, and on some boards messages will appear immediately. So people try to discuss all tpoics on the board where there messages are immediately posted. I have written to Admin and Moderating Team on these boards about this problem, but no response.

Bah, sacrifice and compromise together!!!! An interesting concept. Who are the other 9 visionaries?

I support disqualification of all MPs and MLAs who are holding any other office in addition to their membership of the house.

Yes, it is nothing else but drama. Sacrifice is an act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else more important or worthy. In this touted sacrifice, what has been given up - membership of Parlianment. Now what is that something more important or worthy for which this sacrifice has been made? What she has immediately announced is that she will again fight for the same post.

It is only she who hears her "inner voice". People only know what she tells them. There may be a big difference between the two. If a politician has moral then he or she will no longer be a politician. And she is a politician.

I agree. There are many more President's references pending with EC. Let us see what decisions comes from EC on these.

What is refreshing in Sonia's resignation? As a MP ignore the law and accept office of profit. Then continue violating the law till a complaint is made to President. Then adjourn parliament sine die, abort the budget session to bring an ordinance to change the law. When it looks a certainty that President is going to disqualify then resign and say I have made a sacrifice. While talking of sacrifice say that I will again contest the election.

Not all are frighting. Some are sincerely trying to discuss it. I am one such person. I have been hurt by the way this resignation has been touted as a sacrifice. It is the hypocrisy of these leaders which hurts me. they calim to be the role models for the people and behave in such disgraceful manner. This forum enables me to express my views.

I don't know what type of strategy is this. But I know that there some gol-maal and an attempt to fool the people.

Exit of Sonia Gandhi from LS had become a compulsion under Disqualification Act. If she had not resigned than she would have been disqualified like Jaya Bachchan. But she and her partymen have touted her resignation as a sacrifice. This is in bad taste. Such acts/claims are not expected from those who are projected as role models for the people.

People (including PM) claim that Sonia gandhi is the tallest leaders in the country. But such statements are unbecoming of such claimed person. Gandhi ji (Bapu) never said any such thing any time about himself. People saw his doings and followed him.

Yes all should be disqualified as per law. But the problem is that UPA government who should respect the law is hell-bound to violate the law. For congress and left parties individuals are above the national interest. It is unfortunate that such parties are in power.

or else should be disqualified from LS.

I support Jaya Bachchan's disqualification from RS as EC and the President have considered it and found that such disqualification is in order. I will also support disqualification of Sonia Gandhi and others from LS/RS if EC and the President consider it and find that their disqualification is also in order.

Congress has gone to that extent to save Sonia Gandhi, who was projected as a moral leader and an example of sacrifice. As per a news item Congress has locked the Parliament, aborted the budget session to violate (which congress calls amendment) the constitution to change the law so that their leader can be saved. What can be more shameful than this? I will also call it anti-national as an individual has beem made more important than the law of the land.

Why this 'But' Mr. Mayavi?

Gujrat HC has ruled that constitution of Banerjee panel is illegal as there is no provision for such a panel in the law.

Yes, are are equal in law. Why not issue a notice to Sonia Gandhi and others who are holding more than one office of profit?

It is said that by sentencing Zahira to one year imprisonment SC has set a precedent for lying under oath or for contempt of court. So many days have passed but there is no single punishment given to any other person. People are lying in court day in and day out and are committing contempt of court.

Yes, you are right. Every political party has suffered vertical splits except BJP. This is the unique strength of this party.

Yes

Yes, why not SUO MOTO action in all such cases? They say law same for all. Why EC does not practice it?

A very good suggestion.

MCD officers have made a fool of SC. Every decision of SC and every instruction given by SC has been exploited by these officers to make more money. See one example. SC instructed to post the details of unauthorized constructions on Website. MCD officers fanned out in entire Delhi and started collecting money from people or else their property will be included in the list.

I don't think anybody can insult Jesus, Ram, Buddha or Prophet Mohammad by making cartoons about them. These icons are above insult and respect. It is funny that people see themselves as their protectors. The making of cartoons and violant protests have not served any purpose. It has only added more hate to the hateful world. It has only affected the people and not these icons.

Which communist says so?

Minority appeasement policy is a major contributer to terrorism in India. Terrorist can not operate without logistic support of Local mualim population. Muslims put their religion above national interests and do not hesitate to support terrorists considered jehadis by them. It is this appeasement policy which has made muslims bolder to give a communal colour to India's foreign policy. Communists have openly supported violant demonstrations against Indo-US nuclear deal.

Congi-Commies provide moral support to terrorists through the policy of appeasement. From my point of view any body providing any support (direct or indirect) to terrorism is a terrorist. How such people can be expected to fight against terrorists?

I posted my views but these are not seen on the board. It is very frustrating. One wastes so much time and energy to think and write views and then finds them not posted on the board.

Your observations are very near to the truth. Muslims keep their religion above national interests. Then they interpret Islamic teachings in a manner which is conflicting with Indian constitution. This is wrong but the policy of appeasement make them more bolder in making illogical demands on the country in the name of religion. This trend should be reveresed if we want India to prosper and peaceful.

This ghetto mentality has become a hallmark of the fundamentalism being practiced all over the world in the name of Islam.

Yes, the message has rightly been rated as offensive. It is also lacking national character.

I support Jaya Bachchan's disqualification from RS and I also support disqualification of all such members of LS and RS. I don't support EC's discriminatory approach of recommending only one case. It puts EC's credibility in doubt.

Your messages seem to be part of a brief.

It is a report made on order.

Left parties and their support parties in India have manipulated the anti-cartoon domonstrations to give a communal colour to India's Foreign Policy.

If followers of one God wants to please their God by attacking followers of another God and His places of worsahip then I think we should leave it to these Gods. Let them settle it amongst themselves.

She lost many members of her family in riots. She lost her brother last week. She has been jailed. Her sister has been asked to appear in the court and most probably she will also be jailed too. The justice really looks funny in this case. I also have a feeling that court has become prejudiced against her and wanted to teach her a lesson. The punishment should be appropriate to the crime. One year in prison and Rs. 50000 fine is too harsh.

Yes indeed.

A nice way to put things in the right perspective.

I congratulate you for posting such a positive message. I have, on my part, trying to motivate people in this direction. I am happy to see another person on this board having a positive attutude towards problems.

SC found Zahira the right case to set a precedent to retrieve the loosing confidence of people in judiciary. It is another matter whether it will restore the confidence. So far, a laege section of people are looking at this judgement yet another case of poor being punished and rich going scot free.

I have been sending lot of feedback about the problems I face in posting my messages on various boards. Sometime the message will instantly appear on the board. Sometime it will appear after few days. Sometime it will never appear. No body in NDTV has cared to reply to my feedback and what I am supposed to do to ensure that my messages are instantly posted. Can anybody in Board Admin and Moderating Team help me? It is really frustrating to waste lot of time and energy in writing a message and then to find that it has not appeared on the board.

To understand this you will have to join a crash course in international politics.

Take one case, the opposition to Gujrat riots. Was it silent?

Poor Zahira was made an example. Let us see if some big people who have lied also jailed.

She has been punished. Now I will like to see what punishment is given to those lied in Jessica's murder case, Mattoo's murder case and various other ongoing cases involving big people.

A prejudice had been created for Zahira from the day she retracted her first statement based on which the case was fought. Zahira was seen as the softest target to set precedents amd to upheld the rule of law.

SC thinks that jailing Zahira for telling lies in the court will set a precedent. Let us see what actually happens.

SC had to set a precedent and who could have been a better person than Zahira to set this precedent. SC said that an impression has gone to the people that only poor are punished and influencial people go scot free. SC feels that it is sending the right message by putting Zahira in Jail. As per Teesta she is a part of very influencial group.

Cetainly not fair. Paying the price of being the majority community in a country which is run on minority appeasement.

If you can not see the opposition by Hindus to any wrong act committed in the name of Hindutva then you must be blind.

Cetainly not fair. Paying the price of being the majority community in a country which is run on minority appeasement.

Yes. It should fully utilize this positive development to further strengthen its position.

Having no political will to deal with the truth has nothing to do with democracy. It is a typical negative mindset.

A thought provoking message.One should be honest enough in giving credit to Gujrat and its people for its achevements inspite of so many adverse happenings.

Show some maturity Mr. Afshan and learn to use right words. You have a right not to agree with other opinion but show some restraint.

What are you trying to say Afreenjalal?

Show some maturity Mr. Afshan and learn to use right words. You have a right not to agree with other opinion but show some restraint.

Burning with hate helps only in loosing the logical thinking Mr. Afshan. Whom you are accusing of remaining silent? Every act of fundamentalism by a section of Hindus had been opposed and condemned by a large section of Hindu population. But in case of such acts by Muslims how many muslims come forward to oppose and condemn? You can count them on fingers. No body has seen the cartoons. But when Muslims expressed their anger on these cartoons, Hindus in India have shared their indignation and condemned the cartoons. You do not appreciate it but start throwing accusations on Hindus. See the case of this board.More Hindus than Muslims on this board have condemned this act of insulting the Prophet. But the violant demonstrations against a state guest and hurling abuses on him can not be justified. India is building up a strategic partnership with US and Muslims of this country come out on streets and do their level best to insult the US President. Can you take your own advice and condemn what happened in Hyderabad and Lucknow? Do you have that much courage?

I do not agree that it was a state organised crime. No state can indulge in such acts. If we look at various communal riots in various parts of India, it is observed that successive administrations, due to various factors, have showed a biassed approach in handing riots. This bias has been in favour of both Hindus and Muslims. In case of anti-Sikh riots at Delhi the then administration was biassed in favour of those who were out on streets killing Sikhs. In many riots in different parts of UP the then adminstration has been biassed in favour of Muslims and Hindus have suffered huge loss of life and property. In many other riots it has been the reverse. Gujrat riots have been misused by all political parties. There is a clear bias in their approach. If BJP sees it as an opportunity to strengthen their Hindu vote bank then Congress and other parties look at it as an opportunity to strengthen their Muslim vote bank. It will be better to forget Gujrat riots as people have forgetten many other riots.

People have been demanding it for quite some time but Shiv Raj Patil was unmoved. Now Sonia Gandhi has come in its support and Patil is singing a different tune. It is unfortunate that people voice is ignored and government takes action only when some VV..IP comes in favour of such voice.

One of my friend from Tamilnadu tells me that both DMK and AIADMK are devils and people elect them turn by turn.

An intelligent analysis my dear.

Your concern is misplaced.

No I don't agree with Banerjee report. It is a report made to order. He has not been able to find out the cause of fire if it was started inside the compartment. There are many unanswered questions. Lalu is playing politics with such a tragedy where people were burnt alive. It is inhuman.

Who stooped down in front of US President and where did you see them stooping down?

Lalu's inquiry report is on expected lines. Mr. Banerjee said in a TV interview that he was asked to determinehe cause of fire and he has given his report for that. But newspaper reports say that Banerjee report is silent on this aspect. He has only said that fire was an accident and was caused from within the compartment but how he had not been able to find out. What a waste of time and money. Banerjee has failed the people.

Who stooped down in front of US President and where did you see them stooping down?

Details of Indo-US Nuclear deal are coming out - No cap on India's N-arms programme, India can call it off if fuel supply stops. These look good.

From the details coming out about the deal it looks as it will strengthen Indo-US relations.

Getting easily provoked is normally seen as a weakness which is invariably exploited by people having narrow interests to serve. Muslims have exposed their weakness of getting easily provoked over alleged insults to their religion. This weakness has been exploited by politicians in India time and again. It has kept muslims away from national mainstream. In my view Muslims are themselves resposible for their pitiable condition. As per an old saying, they should first help themselves and then only God will help them.

What has happened in one country was projected by the media in such a manner that it has reached all corners of he world. No body in India has seen the cartoons but based on what media told them they came out on the streets. One minister has even given a call for murder.

Yes the deal looks fair from outside. You have rightly advised the government to follow your 5-point charter.

Truth should never be blocked. It should be presented in a truthful manner.

Why it will be binding on India if US congress does not OK it? Any agreement is binding on both parties. If one does not honour it then other party is also not under any obligation to honour it.

Self restraint is always better. Media should understand its responsibility especially in view of its strong impact on readers and viewers.

There is no case for not punishing them. The case is how to punish them.

It is their way of reporting events in this part of the world. We should read it - India and US finalises nuclear deal. Let us see how Indian media reports this!!

There is no case for not punishing them. The case is how to punish them.

A very emotional message. No need to bow your head in shame and no need to apologise to Jessica family, as you were not responsible for the injustice done to her. Instead join the people who are fighting for re-trial of the case so that she can get justice. Show your solidarity to the cause - send SMS, write a letter to Jessica's sister, display a banner at a public place.....

Yes. US, through this treaty, is working to create a market in India for nuclear reactors and fuel. Bush has brought CEOs of companies manufacturing these items along with him. They want that India should become totally dependent on them for any needs in this area. India should ward off any pressure and ensure that its interests are protected.

Yes, I hope court will consider all related issues.

West is always busy in teaching others what they themsleves do not practice. Doosro ko naseehat khud miyan fazeehat.

Delhi Police Commissioner has given an assurance that witnesses will be given full protection!!

West is always busy in teaching others what they themsleves do not practice. Doosro ko naseehat khud miyan fazeehat.

The case is opening up. Investigaing officer and prosecutor are talking now. It will be difficult for government and courts to ignore purlic outrage. Also in best bakery case, notices have been issued to two hostile witnesses.

Jessica Lal's case is the first test and will tell us whether Best Bakery case is going to set precedents for such other cases.

It is expected that everyone will benefit out of budgetary outlays but it does not happen always. There should be a close relation between outlays and outputs. Successive budgets keep silent about the outputs of outlays made during previous budgets. There should be a public mnitoring and review mechanism to keep an eye on outlays and their outputs.

You are right.

PM, yesterday in Parliament, has assured the country of equal partnership with US. As per this assurance he will ensure that: a) India's strategic nuclear programme is not compromised, b) There are no impediments in the way of R&D activities, c) Fast breeder reactor programme to remain out of safeguards list.

Something is happening. Yesterday LS and RS also came in support of re-trial. Almost every section od Indian people is now enraged on this injustice and demanding re-trial. HC has alreadsy issued notice to Delhi police. It will be very difficult for concerned authorities to ignore the public opinion. I wish that Indian people rise against all such anti-people acts. They should assert their right to a clean governance.

Please don't be so provoked to title your message - "Shame on India". India is our country, our mother. You can not say "Shame on Mother" for shameful acts of the children.

Test case is Zahira Seikh and her mother who have been served notices for turning hostile.

Yes, removing root cause is very important. But some penalty has to be imposed on lying under oath as a long term measure.

Yes, reassure the Indian people.

Yes, removing root cause is very important. But some penalty has to be imposed on lying under oath as a long term measure.

Strong words but not very far from truth.

Yes, no more discussion on Amar Singh. Let police and law take over. Top priority today is to exert pressure on government and court to deal with the issue of hostile witnesses and order re-trial in Jessica murder case.

Yes, reassure the Indian people.

Strong words but not very far from truth.

Protection of the witness is very important. With public outrage on Jessica's case the government has come under tremendous presuure to make provisions to protect the witness.

I agree with your observations. There should be no hidden deals. The tearty should be in India's interests.

People certainly need to be more cautious.

This topic is listed under hot debates on home page. The topic has become cold. The government at the center has not been affected.

Let us hope that government does not take any decision which is not in Indian interest under this pressure.

This topic is listed under hot debates on home page. The topic has become cold. The government at the center has not been affected.

People certainly need to be more cautious.

Let us hope that government does not take any decision which is not in Indian interest under this pressure.

The politicians would have made the law if it was not going to affect them.

We are not poor and we don't need anybody's money. We should earn what we need and that should be with dignity and self-respect.

What guaranty is there that a person will live the next moment?

Indian criminal justice system is not that bad. It might need some changes here and there. What is bad is - Justice Delivery Mechanism. It needs a thorough overhaul to protect it from powerful violators.

What is the other side? Please tell us.

Religion can never be banned. Religion is a set of various concepts which teach to love and respect each other. You can not ban this. What should be banned is intolerance in the name of religion.

We, in India, supportive of Jessica's cause really appreciate your support. Thank you friends.

In Hinduism, there are different ways to perceive and reach God. One view says that God is Nirakaar (has no form). Other view says that God is Sakaar (has a form). The middle view says that God is Nirakaar but different people perceive Him in various forms. Sant Tulsidas has said that God is Nirakaar but assumes form to come and save His Bhaktas from Demons (Avataars). A Hindu does not see any conflict in these views.

Yes. If we really wish to stop terrorism then we will have to do detailed cause analysis, determine steps to be taken to remove each acuse and then effectively implement these steps. Opposing terrorism here and supporting terrorism there is the fodder of terrorism.

Injustice has been to Jessica Lal, her family and friends. But for some it has brought awards. The judge has been promioted to High Court.Timing of the notification announcing his promotion has raised many questions. If the judge has not delivered the judgement before his promotion the case would have been heard by another judge. The police officer, who investigated and botched up the case, was given plum postings including a trip to Bosnia on deputation.

I am all for the re-trial and that should be outside Delhi, may be in Mumbai like Best Bakery case.

Yes. I fully agree with your views.

Giving false evidence under oath should attract major penalty.

Yes. I fully agree with your views.

Yes. Re-opening of Jessica Lal's murder trial will be the first case to set precedent for Best Bakery case.

Your question is very valid. I have also been asking this question but no body has come forward to reply it. I believe that many muslim themselves act in a mannre which is insulting to their prophet. Actor Farookh Seikh has said so in a TV discussion in relation to recent violant protests over the cartoon. The way majority of muslims world over are behaving it seems that a faithful muslim should be violant for anyone having a different faith. This goes against their claim that Islam is a tolerant religion and teaches universal brotherhood.

Yes. Re-opening of Jessica Lal's murder trial will be the first case to set precedent for Best Bakery case.

Yes

The right priority indeed!

Yes, it will.

Yes

The right priority indeed!

Yes, it will.

A cautious media is the need of any society. Its news ceates a very strong reaction. See the case of cartoon. So many people are on the streets. So many have violant. Open call for murder are being given. How amny people have actually seen those cartoons? It is only the news on media which has created such mindless frenzy.

Will these dirty politicians leave any sector unreserved?

Mr. Advani is no more leading BJP. This topic should now be removed from the board.

Can anybody have a doubt about crucial role media plays in today's society? This role is so crucial that it puts many riders on how media should report. Any irresponsible reporting can play havoc in the society. See the latest cartoon issue. No body in India has seen those cartoons but media has created such environment that Indian muslims have started violant protests and are damaging private and public property. One minister of a state government goes to the extent of announcing a huge reward for killing the Danish author.

It is like cutting the branch on which we are sitting. We pollute water and the polluted water pays back. But people do not see beyond their nose.

Yes, you are right.

But congress is proud of all which you are holding against it.

History repeats itself. Wait for the next cycle.

But congress is proud of all which you are holding against it.

History repeats itself. Wait for the next cycle.

He can certainly negotiate. The question should have been, 'Will he?'.

Agreed.

Whether an official is corrupt or not will be known only after dealing with him. However, the organisational culture in MCD has become such that the perception of the people is that all officials are corrupt.

Nirav, you originally belong to this region but how often you visit it? I think you can be a right person to tell us about the local conditions there. Tell us about the environment there and any adverse effects of previous dismantling on the environment and health of people. Shekhr, I will agree with you about the synthetic concern of various NGOs towards human issues. But one should appreciate them to the extent that they are raising these issues. Their protests have stirred your feelings but tell me are you taking some actions to mitigate the problems of the people working in these yards?

I will agree with you about the syntheic concern of various NGOs towards human issues. But one should appreciate them to the extent that they are raising these issues. Their protests have stirred your feelings but tell me are you taking some actions to mitigate the problems of the people working in these yards? You call these proests unjustified. But what justification you are doing to the cause?

You orginally belong to this region but how often you visit it? I think you can be a right person to tell us about the local conditions there. Tell us about the environment there and any adverse effects of previous dismantlings on the envirinment and health of people.

What - Corruption in MCD, Who - Corrupt MCD officials, Where - Go to MCD office. How do you check it whether a bone in a MCD official is honest or dishonest?

You have said it.

I think an hollistic approach should be adopted while dealing with the problem of illegal consructions. The government, MCD, the court, the builders , the people, all should try to find permanent solution rather than taking such actions which can only bring short term gains. The entire issue is being handled in a discriminatory manner. Destruction can never bring improvement.

What lessons you want congress to learn?

He served them with full loaylty. He created a report out of nothing so that they can enjoy. But when time came he was sacrificed.

How?

Has Bhardwaj been retained in the cabinet for this reason?

You are asking too much. Sacking corrupt officials, in a system where corruption has been institutionalized, is a very difficult task. Who will sack whom. All are corrupt. So far not even a single illegal structure of a politician has been demolished.

What information has been leaked out?

Enemies? There are no enemies in politics only friends. Asking for resignation is an act of political convenience not enemity.

Is he a hot-tempered person? Suppose he had not resigned, what central govwernment would have done?

How do you boot out a governor who has been and sill is on the retainership of 10, Janpath?

Evil can not be justified. Any attempt to justify evil is evil itself.

Any government employee who is found negligent in performing his assigned duty should be tried as per rules. MCD officials should also be treated in this manner.

It is not Manmohan Singh who is running the government. It is the "Reward System of 10 Janpath" which is running the government. All loyalists have come back in the cabinet. Bharadwaj and Patil,should have gone but the system retained them. Buta Singh is also on 10 Janpath retainership but he became a liability in changed circumstances so he had to be sacrificed. But he should not loose hope. He will be accommodated at some other place.

Let us keenly watch the result of notices issued to VIPS/VVIPS.

Right action at right time will always lead to the right result. In this case neither the action was right nor the time.

Why do you call it a shameful exit? God gave him an opportunity to sacrifice power for the party which has given him much more than he deserved.

You may be right. One should never underestimate a politician. A politician can be at rest only when he is put to rest by the God.

No, no other heads will roll. Congress has given so much to Buta Singh. Giving away his governorship for saving these heads is a small price to pay for all that.

No, he should also resign from politics.

They call it governance with a human face.

Are there any illegal constructions in these areas built by politicians?

Probably Karnaaka governor does not want to meet the fate of Buta Singh!

Do you mean to say that Buta singh is a victim of fight between judiciary and legeislation?

Then congress should immediately get a report from Karnataka governor and get the assembly dissolved to hold fresh elections. But there is a catch here. It may go Bihar way.

In such decisions timing is crucial. Buta Singh has failed to take that advantage. He has let the time slipped by. He took a right decision but late. The late decision has exposed his weakness for power and that he has taken it under force and not on his own. His conduct has certainly not been graceful. The government under Manmohan Singh should not have made him governor. By doing so he has umdermined the position of this constiutional post.

Buta Singh has taken a right decision but it is late. He has also not taken it on his own. Circumtances have forced him to resign. This is not graceful.

Buta Singh as Governor, Manmohan Singh as PM, congress as ruling party have all become role models for the people to disrespect the law. TOI has correctly analyzed it in its editorial (26.01.06).

Yes, if he has any self-respect and country's interest in his mind.

YES.

Politics is another name of governance through conspiracy.

I agree with you.

I am in agreement with your analysis.

All are aware that law of the land says that one is innocent till proved guilty by the due process of law. But it has become a favourite passtime of all to play "you are guilty", with media in the forefront.

I is natural. Any organization will break when an individual becomes more important than the organization. Organizations should be known by their policies and programmes and not by few individuals. It has happened with BJP (Bajpayee and Advani). Now it has happened with Shiv Sena.

I wonder what people would have said if he had called for a Hindu CM? Would he had been labelled as Communal, or this title is reserved for RSS/BJP only?

What would you say about allowing women to serve liquor in bars in Delhi?

What was taken away from women in Mumbai (dancing in bar) has been restored by Delhi HC allowing women to become bartenders.

India is a secular country but its politicians are not.

Why not reserve the posts of CM of some states for muslims? Andhra Pradesh can set an example. This will be called communal secularism.

The miracle is waiting to happen.

Infighting and downfall are integral to all political parties.There will be no party where infighting is not there. There will be no time when there is no infighting in a party. Likewise, no political party can remain on top or bottom for an indefinite period. There was a downfall in congress to the extent that people have almost written it off. Now congress is in power. There was a time when BJP was at the top. Now it is struggling to find its base. Downfall and rising to top are natural phenomenon.BJP will come out of the present situation. In how much time and with what dispensation, only time will tell.

"Italian Master", yes, it explains the scenerio.

You are watching his publicity stunt. This means that he has been successful in getting the publicity.

As per latest estimate submitted by MCD, about 80% properties in Delhi are having illegal portions. If demolitions are to be completed within SC timeframe then they should use bombs. As far as corrupt MCD officials are concerned they should be nominated to Lok Sabha nad RajyaSabha.

You are right.But why such concern is not shown in case of known criminals in the parliament and the government?

Listening to what people are talking on phone is not only against civilized behaviour but also a violation of human rights. NHRC should take cognizance of this issue and seek clarification from the concerned authorities. As far as people engaged in harmful activities are concerned the phone tapping can be legally done under a specified procedure.

It may be a political conspiracy. The allegations may be unwarranted. But the issue should be seen as an attack on citizens' privacy. Listening to what people are talking on phone is not only against civilized behaviour bu also a violation of human rights. NHRC should take cognizance of this issue and seek clarification from the concerned authorities.

We should no draw hasty conclusions. Phone tapping is a serious violation of peoples' freedom and rights, and it should be addressed as an issue.Passing judgements influenced by our likes and dislikes of people and parties will only confuse the issue.

The Volcker report is an extension of domestic corruption to international corruption. Ever effort is being made to confuse the issue to such an exent that the real issue will be lost and never the real picture will be known. In a rare case Indian parliament expelled MPs found involved in corrupion of taking money to ask questions. Such action should be taken by the parliament in this case also and MPs inolved should be expelled.

There are conduct rules for government employees. MCD employees are also covered by such rules. Action should be taken against erring employees for dereliction of duty which is a misconduct under the rules.If an illegal structure comes up in the area under supervision of an employee then this is a clear case of dereliction of duty. And in this case it is alleged that MCD employees were in league with people engaged in construction of illegal structures.

Parliament has expelled some members (so far unknown for bribe taking)for taking money for asking questions. But why action is not being taken against known criminals in the parliament and the government? Will Manmohan Singh answer?

The reason is simple. NHRC will not like it.

Discrimination has become a habit with politicians and Manmohan Singh is not an exception. He joined other politicians to expel those poliicians (unknown so far) who were found taking money to ask questions in Parliament. But he always defends known criminals in the parliament and the government? Manmohan Singh is a good person but he has failed to become a role-model for the people.

Discrimination has become a habit with politicians. They joined to expel those poliicians (unknown so far) who were found taking money to ask questions in Parliament. What about the known criminals in the parliament and the government? Same politicians do every thing to save them.

I am also facing the same problem. I posted he following massage: "Why discriminate - Discrimination has become a habit with politicians. They joined to expel those poliicians (unknown so far) who were found taking money to ask questions in Parliament. What about the known criminals in the parliament and the government? Same politicians do every thing to save them."

The question wih an obvious answer.

Bihar elections are over, and so is over the concern of politicians for the killing of innocent people in the train at Godhra.

More than 35000 sikhs were killed when Rajiv was PM of India. For days he did not do anything to save them except saying that when a big tree falls small plants are destroyed. The same congress party is now accusing Modi of mass murder. All congressmen and women should hang their heads in shame on such double standards. Killing of innocent people is a crime against humanity and God. Anybody responsible for such killings is a criminal and should be dealt with under the law. Modi's conduct is under the scrutiny of law. Rajiv's conduct should also be scrutinized by the law. The argument that he is no more has no validity. Afterall he is being praised for his good work. Then why not he be criticized for his in-human acts?

It is too early to pronounce judgment on the Seer. The case is in the court. Court will determine whether he is guilty or not. It is not decent to abuse him or call him names.

Dialogue is an essential part of confidence building between any two people,groups or countries. We all hope that this visit of Wen Jiabo will herald a new era between Indian and Chinese relations.

But don't you deserve best governance?

Can you name one constitutional authority whose role has not been a setback to Indian democracy at one time or the other?

Do people of India not deserve the best?

Congress-NCP alliance promised free electricity to farmers during elections. Now the alliance, once came to power, is going back on its promise. This is outright cheating. The sad part is that the alliance is being proud of it. CM Deshmukh has said that it was a "mere poll promise". Now these politicians have stooped so low that they make promises during elections to garner votes and then go back on them by saying that these were only poll promises. Are poll promises not meant to be kept? Congress-NCP alliance has insulted maharashtrian farmers. It has openly abused them. If the government can not keep its poll promise then they should opt out.

Taking away a human life is a sin against God. When a human being can not create a life then how can he be allowed to take away another life. But people kill others. These killings are done for many reasons. Killing in the name of religion is one reason amongst them. Whenever a communal riot takes place different people start using it for serving their vested interests. Some people kill and some others encash on these killings. I think both are wrong and equal sinners against God and humanity. Now let me put some questions to the forum members. Why people get enraged only when people belonging to their religion are killed in communal riots? When people belonging to their religion are killed in accidents or murdered for other reasons why don't they raise their voice? No member on this forum raised his or her voice when lakhs of innocent people were killed by Tsunami. Why? These people were Hindus, Muslims, Christians and from other religions. Why nobody felt for them? Why a killed person gets others' sympathy only when he is killed in a communal riot? If he is killed in an accident or murdered on property dispute will he get the same sympathy? Will NGO or secularists move SC to get justice for him? Will SC transfer his case to another state? Will SC call the CM a non-human? Many people are being killed every day in every city, every state of the country. How many of them are getting the same reaction as in case of Gujrat? People who were not moved by the killing of thousands of sikhs in Delhi are now calling killing of muslims a national disgrace. Are these people really feel for those killed in Gujrat or simply trying to encash on their dead bodies? And Hindus were also killed in Gujrat. Why killing of Hindus is not being termed as national disgrace by these people? Why Gujrat riots are only being talked in reference to muslims only? Why Lalu orders a probe only in Godra killings? Why he does not order similar probes in case of other people killed on trains by robbers and railway policemen. Were they not human beings? Why he does not make such killings on train an election issue? The same thing goes for other politicians belonging to BJP, congressand communists. Any answers dear forum members?

Your reference to only Hindutva leaders in relation to politicians gaining power even through bloodshed and inciting hatred and heinous crimes among people indicates bias and therefore looses the strength of a logical argument.Which political party, which political leader and which self-declared spritual and religious leader can be exempted from indulging in this exploitation? To single out a particular community and its leaders is not going to help containing this problem.

Do Hindus living in southern states think that law is taking its right course and there is no piltics in the arrest of the seer? Do they support the language used by the public prosecutor about the seer? Do they support the arrest of junior seer just after SC granted bail to the seer?

I think the major reason for Gujrat riots was the reaction of congress leaders and other self-declared secular champions. I still remember that these people have not expressed any grief over the loss of so many innocent lives. Rather they were demanding action against VHP, Bajrang Dal and other outfits.This has hurt Hindus and has contributed to the anger manifesting in the riots.

No body has blamed Mr. Advani for the current problems in BJP. Only so far he has not been able to inspire confidence in his ability to take BJP out of the crisis. You are right that there are ups and downs in every party.But such ups and downs should be used as change agents. It is an opportunity for BJP to re-think and come out more stronger. I think that the fault BJP had committed is to depend on leaders like Arun Jaitley and Pramod Mahajan.These loud mouthpieces have caused more harm to the party.But Mr. Advani is not able to see them in their true light.

Presently this honour goes to congress. And don't talk of banning a party because it is tainted, entire UPA government will be banned.

Let him get some votes on this report also.

I would not have been surprised.

The justice was required to do unjustice to those who lost their lives. So he did not ask these questions.

But he knows how to satisfy a client, Laloo in this case.

It is interesting. After retirement a justice becomes unjustice.

Being nominated to an inquiry commission has become a post-retirement job. If one wants to remain on one commission or the other he has to satisfy his client. And in this case the client is Laloo. Laloo has already announced that fire was started from within the coach and the learned judge is not a fool not to understand what his client wants.

Yes, it amounts to influencing the voters. And that is the precise purpose of releasing the report at this time. Let us see if EC acts. It is a test for EC. EC has already pardoned Laloo once in case of distribution of money.

It is not Godhra Report but all political decisions are conspiracy aganist common man. A fire broke out in a train compartment and many people lost their lives. All politicians, irrespective of their party affiliations, exploited this incident to serve their vested interests. The result was Gujrat riots. Exploitation still continues. Hate campaign is still on. Modi is being targeted for Gujrat riots. Lalloo is being targeted for misusing his official position to drive political mileage in Bihar elections. Congress is being targeted for having double standards, killing 3500 plus sikhs in Delhi and now calling Modi a murderer. No body is interested in the people who lost their lives and their grieving families.

Releasing interim report at this juncture is an order delivered meeting content and time requirements of the client.

How come such an offensive message has been allowed to be posted by NDTV Message Central? This poster has posted many messages abusing Hindus and their religion. Are NDTV moderators not doing their job sincerely?

To call Mr. Advani a tainted person is not correct. He may be found wanting in providing right leadership to his party at this juncture, but calling him a tainted person is ignoring the reality. The other point you are making that he is not acceptable to his party is also not correct. Let us judge him on his merits and de-merits and not on our personal likes and dislikes for him and his party. I am not a member of any political party but calling BJP a party of jokers is not in good taste. BJP has many people the country can be proud of.

I can not agree with you. BJP is an organization and not a product. Such organizations can not be considered as having a date of expiry. If your point is accepted then the principle of expiry date will apply more to congress than BJP, as congress is the oldest party. I think it is the thought process and practicing policies of a political party which become outdated and not the party itself. A sincere cause analysis and few necessary corrective measures and BJP will be galvanized. But unfortunately, BJP top leadership is currently engaged in creating more problems for itself rather than solving existing problems. A thorough overhaul of thought process and policies is required, and it should be done by looking inward and not outward.

Mr. Advani as BJP President has failed to inspire confidence in his capability to provide right leadership to a party which was in power for last many years and has lost the election inspite of doing lot of good for the country. His first action in suspending Uma Bharati has exposed his biassed thought process. He still seems to be under evil influence of some middle level leaders who were largely responsible for mismanaging the election campaign and forced congress-communist combine on the country. The way BJP and its leadership is behaving these days it is impossible to resurrect itself.

Infighting is only one aspect of the situation which has resulted in the downfall of BJP. There are many other reasons for the downfall. If infighting is viewed as a cause then downfall is the most natural effect in any organization. The top leadership of BJP has failed in its role to provide ladership. Rather than leading through right examples of impartiality and honesty, almost all its leaders have themselves become part of various groups within the party. Mr. Naidu and now Mr. Adani both have failed to inspire confidence in their capability to act as a leader of a national party which was in power for last many years. I will term it as FAT Syndrome - Failure At Top Syndrome. Failure at top in BJP has affected entire body of the organization. The problem is at top and should be tackled at that level rather than taking disciplinary actions against lower level functionaries. BJP should look from outside to inside for determining the cause and then take necessary corrective measures. It is very important as congress can not be trusted to govern the country with its present crowd of allies.

Society at large is responsible for such acts. The moral degradation which has set in the thoughts, words and actions of all of us is resulting in such inhuman and immoral acts.

Is it the policy of SC?

Is your message meant for some specific people in a code language?

You sure have full confidence in Indian judiciary.

Indian courts seem to be trying a murder case for the first time, or they are trying to project themselves as secular.

Now her mother is under pressure of the court - in jail.

Railways were always hostage to politics. This ministry was always used as a tool for creating and protecting vote banks. It has never been managed professionally. Over the years it has become operation oriented. It is no more passenger oriented. With Laloo as railway minister it is being held hostage in his house.

I saw one of her movies long back. The memory is still alive. God has called her back. Let all of us pray for the unity of soul with the Divine.

This is the third bandh in last three weeks. High Court has declared this bandh illegal and unconstititional. Were other two bandhs also declared as such?

This problem was created by one PM belonging to congress. Let us if another PM from congress can find a solution.

What Indian Constitution says about it?

So people on this board have already started trying Shankaracharya case as per their compulsions.

My opinion is that all religions, including Islam, teach peace. It is the followers who interpret the teachings with hate and for hate. God has created only love. It is some humans who have created hate.

Please don't generalize the issue. There is a majority of Tamilians who are hurt on this inhuman treatment to A Hindu religious leader.

Thank you Shivaji Raje for posting a great quote of a great saint. It makes this forum worth visiting.

Thank you. I have lodged my protest.

You are right. Some people are saying that no body is above law. In India, there can be no incorrect statement than this. Law also says that all are equal in law. Should the due process of law not have been followed in this case? The manner of Seer's arrest and subsequent actions speak the truth. The government is guilty in this case.

It is unfortunate but such a competition seems to be ON.

Let us leave politics out of festivals at least for today if not forever.

No body is saying criminals should not be punished. But everybody is innocent till proved a criminal in the court of law through right process of law. So far nothing seems to be honest in this case. Due process of law has not been followed. Has Shankaracharya ceased to be a common man even and does not deserve to be treated equal in law? Should law not respect the personal faith of a person and his daily routine? Or all these things have been reserved for politicians only? It is only in India where a criminal politician will get bail but not a Hindu religious leader.

People all cross the world are celebrating Eid. I wish a very happy Eid to all. What messages Eid gives - Service to the poor is the worship of God; confess and repent for your sins; introspect, retrospect and then scrutinize your lives, deeds and dealings with your fellowmen irrespective of their caste, creed or faith.

In India season of festivals is on. People celebrated Dessehra, then Deepavali and are now celebrating Eid. In few days people will celebrate Guru Nanak Dev Jayanti and then Christmas. I wish a happy Eid to all.

Many may not like to be seen with Mr. Praveen Togadia but his question is very relevant. Concerned governments and police departments should answer this. Has any government in India, irrespective of the political party, guts to arrest Imam on Eid? This can only be done to Hindu leaders. I am really disturbed. OK, India should not be made a Hindu state but should Hindus be treated like this?

Allow me to have a different opinion. The solution you suggest will not remove the problem. It will only shift control from one hand to the other hand. And both hands are dirty. Transparent management with more effective checks and balances is the key.

If he wanted to convey that message then why did he raise it? The best way a leader of his stature should adopt is to speak through his actions and not words. By the way Mr. Sunder do you have a personal e-mail ID? If yes then send me an e-mail on suresh@betterlife4all.com.

Modern day leaders, who are required to set standards for unity and team work, can only set standards of fighting. They have lost any capability they had to lead. Calling them Netaji has become a joke.

I join you in wishing Eid Mubarik to all.

I am really disturbed by this. Arresting a Hindu religious leader on Deepavali day and the manner in which it has been done puts doubt in my mind about the future of Hindus in India.

I am not a political person. I try to be objective by discussing only issues and not the personalities. But some time I feel disturbed. This is one such occasion. Some time back a communist leader has said that temple income should be taxed. Then there is reservation for muslims. All such issues create a doubt in my mind that Hindus are really being discriminated against minorities in India.

What I could not understand was that why Mr. Advani raised the issue in that TV show? Media had reported that issue had been settled and concerned leaders have assured him that there will be no more infighting. But he not only raised the isue he took names of three leaders only as though only they were involved. What about those whom she referred to in that show? Why Mr. Advani did not name them?

Arrogance of BJP as a whole. Mahajan who was largely responsible for BJP defeat in Lok Sabha elctions and solely responsible for defeat in Maharashtra is still there. BJP under Advani is only compounding the sin.

An arrogant BJP and equally arrogant Indian voter defeated a performing government. BJP went all hogg on India-Shining nurturing their ego that people have no other choice except electing BJP again. On the other hand voters have reacted to India-Shining as though it had hurt their personal ego. It was nothing but a clash of misplaced egos. Both BJP and voters lost. The winners are a dormant congress and anti-national communists.

BJP was in power. But it revived congress by its arrogance. Now with same arrogance it is making congress more and more stronger every day. It is one sin of BJP which has erased all its good work.

Perhaps BJP and Hindu-secularists do not want them to be accused of being communal by a secular government.

Will you consider substituting 'Indians' from last sentence of your message? This decision is not the decision of all Indians.

It is unfortunate that those who are supposed to create standards of discipline are indulging in indiscipline.Those who should set standards of public service are setting standards of power politics. BJP is not an exception.

Sometime back I told you that I don't have time for passersby.

Media has reported that she has a long meeting with Mr. Advani and even apologised for her role in infighting. Why then he raised this issue in an open meeting and took names? Do you feel that a great leader should behave in this manner?

But the right to talk has been considered as indiscipline in case of a particular member of the party. I wll agree with you that at least BJP is free from this desease called family rule.

What do you think about the manner Mr. Advani handled this matter?

I am in two minds. Should I congratulate Mr. Advani for transparency in his party affairs, or caution him that he might be leading his party to a downfall. As for transparency he has directed a TV show on the infighting within BJP and in full public view took a decision to suspend a party leader. As for the other point, he has started a process throgh which BJP can only go down. His raising the point of infighting and naming the leaders in an open show where TV cameras were in full strength had surprised me.This is not a good leader by any standards.

While staging a reality TV show yesterday Mr. Advani came out not a winner. He had to take action against a leader of his party after the drama in full view of TV chaps. He has also said that his party can tolerate some departure from discipline but failed to quantify it. So now BJP has been officially declared as a party which allows its leaders to indulge in indiscipline.I have two questions for Mr. Advani: a) will the limit of departure from discipline will vary from leaderto leader? b) how such leaders having allowable indiscipline will lead the people in its fight against tainted ministers?

BJP President Mr. Advani has said that "there is a limit to how much departure from discipline can be tolerated". Let us analyse this sstatement. But I request members to use decent language. First my analysis. Does Mr. Advani mean that BJP allows indiscipline? If it is so, will then politicians who are expected to lead but are indciplined within allowable limits be accepted to the people. Has BJP found out what Indian people think about it? Mr. Advani has also not explained how much indiscipline is allowed in his party. Has he quantified it and whether indiscipline was measured on that scale and then leader was declared indiscilined and suspended from the primary membership of the party? Or there are some other reasons for her suspension?

Yesterday's incident has put up a question mark on the ability of Mr. Advani's leadership to resurrect BJP. He has failed to build his team. He has failed to bring unity in his team members. He raised an issue and the result was suspension of one leader. Also, he has said that "there is a limit to how much departure from discipline can be tolerated". Let us analyse this sstatement. But I request members to use decent language. First my analysis. Does Mr. Advani mean that BJP allows indiscipline? If it is so, will then politicians who are expected to lead but are indciplined within allowable limits be accepted to the people. Has BJP found out what Indian people think about it? Mr. Advani has also not explained how much indiscipline is allowed in his party. Has he quantified it and whether Uma Bharati's conduct was measured on that scale and then she was declared indiscilined and suspended from the primary membership of the party? Or there are some other reasons for her suspension?

I am facing a peculiar problem. Whenever I post a meassage it gets counted but is not displayed on the board. Are other members also facingthis problem?

BJP President Mr. Advani has said that "there is a limit to how much departure from discipline can be tolerated". Let us analyse this sstatement. But I request members to use decent language. First my analysis. Does Mr. Advani mean that BJP allows indiscipline? If it is so, will then politicians who are expected to lead but are indciplined within allowable limits be accepted to the people. Has BJP found out what Indian people think about it? Mr. Advani has also not explained how much indiscipline is allowed in his party. Has he quantified it and whether Uma Bharati's conduct was measured on that scale and then she was declared indiscilined and suspended from the primary membership of the party? Or there are some other reasons for her suspension?

The breakdown in the system is only affecting common people. No politician,no policeman, no activist, no judge, no religious leader get affected. I wonder why common people always try to defend these villains of political game. Is it not the reality, Mr. Sunder?

When 'criminals' become 'honourable' by vote then how one can call the honourable ministers as tainted ministers?

Please don't take me wrong. I am not blaming or supporting anybody. What I am saying is that it is the inherent weekness of a democratic system. If consitutional institutions fail to discharge their statutory and obligatory functions then where is the corrective mechanism? Everybody is working under their own compulsions. And as far as who is to blame is concerned, everybody has to share it. Best Bakery case is only one reference. Anti-sikh riots are another reference.

Sonia has outlined a five point agenda to serve as an essential framework to what she terms as "give children what we owe them". I feel that before starting implementation of any agenda (details not known yet)the government should declare children as national resource.Indian nation has a moral and national obligation towards its 350 million children over the age of 14 years (a third of India's population)and also those who are under 14 years.

Best bakery case has become the test for Indian democratic system. It has brought out many weeknesses of the system in open. First, the inability of the State government to control riots and provide protection to all victims. Second, unchecked interferrence and one-sided approach of other constitutional institutions such as, SC and NHRC.Third, NGOs going berserk. Fourth, media going berserk. Fifth, Politicians vitiating the environment and fuelling passions. Sixth, inability of central government to take timely and adequate corrective actions. Seventh, religious organizations fuelling passions. Everybody stands exposed. Will they learn any lessons from all this and act judiciously and impartially now?

On an American discussion forum a member asked me if there is any good discussion forum in India. I could not say yes. This forum on ndtv.com has lost its relevance as a good discussion forum. There is no worthwhile discussion taking place. Only abuse hurling is going on. NDTV moderators either no have no control or not doing their job sincerely. Even they and their family members are being abused in filthy manner. It would be better if NDTV close down this forum.

Maoist gives you a good advice.

So 'humble housewife' becomes a politician, reversing her stand to justify her PM husband's actions.

Support for India's claim for permanent membership of United Nations Security Council is increasing every day. My advance congratulations to all Indians.

But congress says that the decision to hike prices was taken with a heavy heart. Mrs. manmohan Singh has provided the 'Human Face' to the controversy on behalf of her husband.

I hope other followers of Quran agree with first part of your message, and non-muslims with the remaining part.

Very nice.

You are right. SC should see in to the game and should not allow itself to be misused for political purposes and advertisements for NGO.

You are right.

But her conscience always tells her - 'Only I am OK, No body else is OK'.

TS has gone to SC for getting a character certificate to prove her point - I am only OK and no body on the other side is OK.

The Bush victory is not the validation of Iraq war. It is the result of fear created by him in the minds of American citizens about the danger of Osama.

She will not ask her conscience as the answer is obvious. She is certainly trying to be sensational to attract limelight. After Zaheera accused her of putting pressure to give prepared statements she is behaving as an inoocent put to injury. She has gone to SC to get a character certificate.

So all it comes about in Best Bakery case is that the case is not about Zaheera but Teesta Setalvad. With Zaheera saying that Teesta put pressure on her to give prepared statements, she has gone to SC asking it to give her a character certificate. Afterall only she is OK and every otherbody (on opposite side) is not OK.

Politics is really about education and not about propaganda. It is about teaching more than management. It is about ideas and values and not only about Acts of Parliament, Political Institutions and Ministerial Office. But Indian politicians are not even aware of these concepts and principles. How can such politicians be expected to deliver good.

I have no time for passersby.

No I can't tell you why suddenly Gujarat police is taking interest in protecting Zaheera from media and the NGOs? You will have to ask Gujrat police about it. Or some well informed user on this board can help you.

Media is doing the assigned job.

Maharashtra had for last five years and is also currently having a non-BJP government. The case is in Maharashtra courts. The police belongs to Maharashtra. The public prosecuter is also appointed by non-BJP institutions. If Zaheera has now blamed Seetalwad and other NGOs, then who is to blame? But media and NGOs are still blaming Gujrat and Modi for all this. This is like 'Chit bhi meri pat bhi meri'.

I don't approve of political jokes. I have seen too many of them get elected.

While speaking about who is the real power behind Delhi throne, Sonia asked a question 'I have turned down the actual chair. Why would I want to be the power behind it?' This is real politics. She has matured.

But prices have already been hiked. Now you have only one hope, the left parties who have announced an agitation.

Message Central, NDTV.com is a discussion forum. The purpose of such a discussion forum is not to convert each other but to define and expand overselves and our own concepts.

Who is determined to kill you? Who is your enemy?

Has Osama's video message not played any role in Bush's victory? Also I would say that Bush's victory is not a validation of Iraq war but the result of a fear genertaed in American mind after 9/11, Iraq's war and the fact that Osama is still alive.

This is certainly AAM ADMI govt with a human face.

Right. Jaichands are doing their job.

It is a good advice from one angle that you are chanting the name of Lord Rama. Ten times in one message. Congrats.

You mean to say that even if Seetalwad's role is proved that she pressurized Zaheera to give wrong testimony and cheated SC, Modi will not regain credibility?

Believing Teesta SC has transferred case out of Gujrat. Now SC should order replacing Zahira by another Tessta's witness.Only Teesta is the person who can be trusted in India.

Don't you think it is a good idea, tax on temples? Next idea will be tax on being born as a Hindu. Gurudasdasgupta seems to be a avtar of Aurangzeb. This is true secularism. [please forgive me. I can't post a message against these secularists or else I will be called a communalist. If you want to live in India then behave like these secularists.]

Forget about Advani and Vajpayee. They are past. Talk of present.

Left parties are playing real politics. Everytime there is a hike they say that they will agitate. This time also Jyoti Basu has said that they will agitate. But no agitation comes about. All this nautanki is being performed to fool the people.

If you are asking a question then the answer is that they can resign.

Thanks

But media is taking a different line. What line SC will take is to be seen. Will the case be transferred out of Maharashtra now?

May be she is pointing towards Left.

This is something which is not understandable. Global prices have come down but Indian prices have been raised. And this RS. 5 increase every month will create problems. Gas agencies will delay the supply to earn Rs. 5 due for increased next month.

Sonia says that "I am not power behind the throne". Can nayone make a guess who is it then?

Oh please don't say that. It is not good to call the win fake when every Indian is enjoying it.

You can criticise them later. This is the time to enjoy the win.

Who are these evil forces?

But as it has become a normal practice to term as communal any attempt to oppose congress policy of appeasement of muslim, how do you say it will ensure BJP's victory at next election?

Mr. anubanks from UK, appeal to our Guruji redindians. He is controllinbg the debate on this MB.

Mr. deepak7 how can you say that without approval by our Guruji redindians?

manIndiaji why don't you accept what our Guruji is saying? Is it correct to hurt him?

redindians Guruji what is this illution?

Guruji please accept satishji's request and put all of them behind bars. PLease make a phone call to Soniaji.

Guruji aap kisko favour kar rahe hain, Bush or Karry? They must have contacted you for your blessings. Everybody knows that aap jise favour karenge woh hi jeetega.

Main to abhi-abhi aapka pupil bana hoon aur aapne mujhe apne business main bhi shamil kar liya. Tusi mahaan ho guruji.Lekin yeh kaun si business hai Guruji?

Guruji yeh kaisi equation bana di. BJP aur congress ko barabar kar diya. Are you angry with congress? Zaroor sonia ya manmohan se koi galti ho gayee hai.

Guruji yeh kya kah diya. Aapke manmohan to married hain. Will he marry another woman? Jaroor aap mazaak kas rahe hain.

Guruji aap to maths main bhi kamaal karte hein. Kya equation banai hai. Maan gaye aapko. America ki bhi aisi-ki-taise kar di.

Wah Guruji aapne to kamaal kar diya. Kya poetry likhi hai. Aapko ise "Wah=Wah" (SAb TV) main bhejana chaahiye.

redindians Guruji you should tight the first rope.

shahab69ji who is this sanghi saffronite fellow abusing you?

Dear IanDockray, I will to answer your question, but not on this forum. E-mail me.

xian_punditji you stay in USA. Please tell us the latest news about election in USA.

redindianreturnsji and sanjayji pata nahin yeh kaun sanghi saffronite fellow aap logo ko abuse kar raha hai.

shahab69ji do you also feel that this is national pride?

Yes passerbyji I do not say that. They are also cowards.

Yes Sanjayji these people have brought real shame on good Hindus like you. Kya kuchh kiya nahin ja sakta jaise inhein Hindu Dharam se hi nikaal diya jai. Aajkal center main aapki sarkar hai. Aap soniaji se kahkar yeh kaam karbaiye na.

You are so right prasoonanji. Do you think these coward BJP people are also behind attacks on mosques in Pakistan and other muslim countries?

Welcome voice_indiaji. Do you mean to say that if Ravana is removed from Ramayana then what remains is Hindutva?

badvaniji please give us some latest information on the election in USA.

Tigerji is himself present on this board.

Badvaniji who is this policeman writing unnecessary things in reply to your's and Sanjayji's and earlji's messages? Is he a sanghi?

You are very right missionikonkarji. Tigerji is working on a plan and soon BJP and its President will be deported out.

No andhrawalaji, I don't agree with you. In my opinion hearty congratulations should go to you. You have worked so hard on this board for cong-NCP win. Without you VD could not have become CM.

Sir, will it be OK if entire BJP is deported? Na rahega baans na bajegi bansuri. But Sir after that everything will be OK na?

OMG and they have elected him as President of BJP. What will happen to this country Tigerji?

A very good question badvaniji. I don't think they will be able to answer it. Who are these other fanatics Sir?

"You will inherit the real world of peace" - a wonderful quote. I salute you for this.

What a beautiful peace of writing - "You will inherit the real world of peace". It looks as some saint is giving a sermon. And why not badvaniji you are no less than a saint.

Badvaniji some saffronite sanghi is abusing you. Please give a sermon to him also.

What a beautiful peace of writing - "You will inherit the real world of peace". It looks as some saint is giving a sermon. And why not badvaniji you are no less than a saint.

If it is an article written by some AG then I am not interested. But if these are your views then I will certainly like to read them. You see I hold you in high esteem. Your views are the absolute truth for me.

It is business for them. Business with no ethics. Although I feel that there are many other ways to earn a living.

Very good Guruji. They are unreasonable, perversely unyielding and bullheaded. And they should be allowed to bark.

Very nice to see you my original Guruji. You are such a nice teacher that you start teaching the moment you appear. What is this 'Desi Politics' Guruji?

Please forgive me as I have misunderstood you. In fact it was not misunderstanding but not-understanding.As I could not understand it so I requested you to tell them yourself. Whatever happened in Rajasthan and whatever you mean by these examples I fully agree with you.

What a nice quote - "Stuberness in kids look good but in men it wont look good". Guruji will these sangh people abusing you understand your sermon? If you forgive me I have also not understood it. What is this Stuberness Guruji?

I have full faith in you Guruji. If you say it is a matter of time then it is a matter of time. But Guruji please stop their crazyness. You should not leave them for abusing you in such a filthy manner.

Please Agniputraji, you are such an intelligent person. It will be better if you tell big TV channels and fake super stars what you want to tell them.They won't be able to reject your instructions.

You don't use words in your prayers.You pray from heart with emotion and naturally you don't need empty words. Tusi great ho Agniputraji.

Guruji these people from sangh are abusing you. PLease stop their crazyness.

Agniputraji you are also great. You use English letters to coin very nice words. Just like my teacher redindiansji.

Thank you Sir for such a nice teaching to your dear child. But what is this lession Sir, a new sangh. Now you will have to stop crazyness of this new sangh also. How many types of sangh are their Sir?

Why should you bother about SS when you say that its leaders are fighting to see its end? One thing I like in you. You use English letters in such a nice manner. Some fools use these same letters in their prayers to God.

You mean that they are fighting to end Shiv Sena? Then who was fighting for power? And you must be very happy with this fight. Afterall you are a staunch supporter of Congress.

Such a long name. Sir you must stop this sangh also from crazyness. So long now Sir. Will see you later.

Sir you seem to be tired. Mixing some other sangh people with this fake sangh which you stopped from crazyness. Sit I respect you too much and am concerned about you. PLease take some rest Sir. I will not bother you further.

How do I join CPI Maoist? Is it some other type of sangh?

Is it some other fake sangh - this new crazy dog trying to play in town? Do you find it interesting, stopping one faks sangh then another?

Sir you seem to be a very intelligent person. You must be very busy. But Sir, can I request you to teach me human physcology..... You are right Sir it is a totally new thing for me - this human physcology.......

You mean sangh is fake then which sangh you stopped from crazyness?

You stopped sangh from crazyness. It is very good that you have done it. Now they will behave as normal sangh. But what is this furstations they are under?

Site is not opening Mr. sitaramyetchuri. Is the address correct?

'Fool' is one word and you are using two words 'congress man'.Why should you do that?

What are furstations?

Are they still fighting? I thought that power has already been shared by congress and NCP politicians.

Are your figures right? If so then I can only say that the farmers are committing suicide with a human face.

It is really bad. SS-BJP govt created such financial mess that Cong-NCP govt could not cleant it in five years. Now they have been given another five years to clean that mess. I hope they do it, or else people will have to give them another five years after the term of present five years is over.

Has anybody forced you to vote for a tainted person? You have a choice not to vote for him.

Whom did you choose - theif,dacoit,robber or a gangster?

Politicians in Maharashtra have been fighting to share power. No one is bothered about concern of the people. No one wants to share people's concern. They will need these people only after five years.

Yes, you can certainly say that - majority appeasement. But Hindus are not dependent on BJP. If one goes by number then you will find more Hindus than Muslims are criticising BJP for bringing Ram Mandir in politics. But such criticism is not seen in Muslims about minority appeasement. And this mindset is blocking the process of development in case of Muslims.

Tainted ministers can not be a liability for a tainted political party. Ab to yeh baat karni chaahiye ki kaun jyada tainted hai.

Muslim minority appeasement is not only affecting Hindus but also blocking development of Muslim community. They have become totally dependent on congress or other such political parties. Small trees do not grow under the shadow of big tree. Muslim community has paid and still paying a huge price for protection from these parties.

Inyway, I will let you know when my discussion forum becomes operational.

Was he moved out of Maharashtra and made Governor because he is a dalit? This issue is not important for me. It is an internal matter of congress. What I am worried about is that Shinde has contested the election and is a MLA. Now he will resign as MLA and another election will be forced on public exchequer. Will congress party host the bill for this unnecessary avoidable by-election.

But I would like to congratulate you. You have taken lot of pains for congress victory in Maharashtra. I wish that all your expectations with congress-NCP government in Maharashtra are fulfilled.

There is one more point I would like to share with you. I registered on this forum because I always wanted a good Indian discussion forum. But my wish has not been fulfilled. Now I am thinking of starting my own discussion forum on my Website, 'www.betterlife4all.com'. It is also not the fault of NDTV only. Some of good forum members easily get provoked and join abuse hurling with filth posters. It discourages other good people to register and encourages more abuse hurlers.

So during the hunt osama becomes the hunter.

I am in full agreement with you. I have myself given lot of feedback to ndtv.com but they have not taken any concrete action to improve their discussion forum. Some good contemporary topics have not been agreed by them. They don't have any system of ensuring that only genuine people are registered on the forum. Anyone at any time can register and post a filthy abusive message. When some other viewers start complaining he can change his ID and re-register and continue with his filthy messages. Moderators are not doing their job properly. If only ndtv adopts a pro-active approach it can become a good Indian discussion forum.

Sunder, there must be some good discussion forums where people can engage in decent discussions. NDTV.con has certainly lost its credibility. Only fith hurling at each other.

With new osama video tape the finger of suspicion is again pointed towards Pakistan. But day-blind Americans are not able to see it. Paki friendship will be a costly affair for US.

The US presidential elections are due in 4 days. Who will win will be known shortly. But Osama has already casted his vote. His recent video tape is one vote which will affect entire voting pattern. Americans are truely confused and afraid also.

Iraq war has become the most important issue in US presidetial elections. Both Bush and Kerry are trying to encash Iraq war for a win.

Even if it is an illusion I am happy with it, because it is what is required. Politicins' priorities are not matching with peoples' priotities. To protect their interest people will have to create presseure points to make politicians act the way they should.

NDTV Correspondent says on Sunday, October 31, 2004 (New Delhi): "Petrol and diesel prices are likely to be hiked from November 1.The Government, which has already secured the go ahead on increasing prices from its key allies - the Left parties." And still they say that there are no power centers elsewhere.

Can someone tell that surging crude prices have ever boosted Indian economy?

I think the credit should go to the people of both countries. A majority of Pakistanis and Indians are now fed up with the policies of their givernments of engaging in unnecessary and unproductive hostilities.This opinion is gaining strength everyday, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for governments to ignore these public sentiments. However there is still resistance from self-serving politicians.

Whenever I search a discussion forum, name of NDTV.com (Message Central) does not figure in the searched results. Any guess why it is so?

Same English letters make words which are used in the prayer of the God.

Allah is very kind. If one can't even follow the do's and don'ts in the holy month of Ranzan (one out of 12 months) then who is to blame?

What do you mean by worst muslims?

I am a Delhite. I pray to Delhi-CM Shiela Dixit not to kill my city. It has already become rape capital of India. Please don't make it pollution capital of India. Bring love back to Delhi. Only it can save the city.

Who will hold lawless ministers accountable when the governments themselves become lawless? UP government is working to protect rapists and murderers of a class VIII student. The criminals raped and murdered the girl last year in Meerut district.

Congress and its government at Delhi and center do not seem to have any regard for the problems faced by law-abiding citizens. As per their latest delivery illegal industries will stay in residential areas. With criminals in the government it was natural for congress to reward law violators.

Is it a line from your daily prayer?

New BJP President Mr. Advani has defined his paryy's priority - Back to the basics, which means Back to the People. Now when BJP is going back to the people, what will Advaniji will take with him - a new vision, a new hope, a loving relationship for all all Indians, and above all a betterlife for the people?

Congress and NCP deserve salutation of every Indian. Has anybody seen politicians fighting over serving the people? Both congress and NCP politicians want that they should be allowed to serve the people. Let us wait to see who get the chance to serve the people.

Every now and then some user will post a message abusing Modi, Togadia, BJP and RSS. This is the only contribution they have so far made to Indian society and Indian people.

I agree with you. Both foreign policy and internal matters have many areas over which a national consensus should be built. India should have a national agenda on these issues. UPA government shopuld engage opposition parties for this purpose.

MMS and Sonia stole all the joy of watching Ramlila by their presence on stage at Ramlila ground in Delhi. The Ramlila was converted in to MMS-sonia-lila. Organisers were falling over each other to present gifts to them. They were even given bows and arrows to kill and burn Ravana. Congress changed the Ramayana - Ravana was killed by MMS and Sonia.

It was Dussehra evening and a little girl was seeing Ramlila on TV. The burning of Ravana was being delayed due to late arrival of two secular guests, Sonia and MMS. The girl was getting impatient. When Sonia and MMS were seen on TV with bows and arrows in their hands, the girl shouted,Grandpa see the Ravana have come, now Bhagwan will kill them.

You got up in the middle of night to post this message. You are really ultra-secular.

I do not want to waste any wish on politicians. They are good for nothing. They are a curse on Indian nation.I will make a wish to God that He may grant positive mindset to these politicians.

But it is the same government continuing. If it inherits a state that is seen as one of the worst governed in India & which is effectively bankrupt then it is their own making. It has become a routine for political parties to make impractical promises, and after coming to power to forget them. Promising free power is a national crime.

There is no individual on this earth who does not do idol worship in one form or another.

No credit to Manmohan Singh? He also addressed few rallies. And what about Maharashtra leaders. is their contribution is not even worth mentioning? You have also dismissed that icon of Maharashtra dishonour Pawar. All credit to Sonia!

You mean to say that icon of Maharashtra dishonour will become the icon of national dishonour.

One cannot disagree with you.

BJP should redefine its priorities. It should establish an agenda based only on betterlife for all. With congress working under the evil influence of communists, BJP remains the only hope for India.

I strongly condemn the title of your message and its repeat in the body of your message. You are welcome to say - Long live secularism, but the title is not accepted. You should apologise to Hindus.

Having double standards is an integral part of communists' strategy. There is nothing new about it. What I am worried about it the increasing interference of communists in India governance. Congress is playing with fire. Their lust for power will burn this country. I don't expect any loyalty from Sonia as she is not Indian by birth, but other congress members are Indians. Why they are playing Nero?

Your message has confused me. What Maharashtra election has got to do with defeat of Hindus? Will you please explain?

If politicians start acting as per peoples' wish then India has won the game. Kya kehte hain, aapke mukh mein laddoo. Kabhi-kabhi is tarah kahi baat sach ho jati hai. Thanks.

I place no hope in politicians (ruling or opposition) but pray to God to fulfill your wish.

I am not a man without hope. But I do not place hope in politicians of this party or that party. There is no use wishing anything from them. If wishing could have achieved anything then India would have been at the top of the world. I am sure pessimistic about these politicians and their affiliations. But I am very optimistic of the people and that includes you too. One day they will realize their follies and get up to correct them. That will be day I am waiting for. Are you with me Mr. Sreenivasan or will feel happy by associating me with BJP and consider your duty done?

Ramzan is a special month for muslims all over the world. It is a time for inner reflection, devotion and abstinence. I wish all the best to muslims. May Allah grant His grace to each one of them.

Winning and loosing in an election is of acedemic interest only. No political ever looses any election. They are either in power or opposition and enjoy more or less equally. It is the people who always loose and have lost in this election also.

Does it really matter that who has taught the lesson and who has learnt the lesson. Election has become a game of chess with people as pawns and politicians as players. Which politician wins is a matter of acedemic interest only. Pawns will remain pawns.

You may call me pessimistic but I have no hope from new government. If it would have been SS_BJP combine then also my answer would have been the same. Politicians have lost the capability of understanding peoples' problems. The election was fought on hate for each other. There was no positive issue. People are a pawn in the game of political chess. Who wins does not matter.

It is surprising that there are such people living in India who are totally unaware of ethnic cleansing in Pakistan. People are not killed only in well-publicised riots.

You advise others to be patient, but you yourself has posted an vulgar and abusive message calling others evil and illitrate, dogs, animals. Starting Ramazan in a holy manner. Anyway from my side I wish that Allah grants you His grace.

Politicians have made Hindutva a commodity which anybody can buy and sale. Various types of Hindutva is available, hard, soft, congi-type. Politicians go and buy the most convenient type depending on whom they are going to gift it. The requirement is that it should result in a return gift in the form of votes. Who bothers if all this hurt the feelings of Hindus like me.

Whether Cong-NCP comes back to power or SS-BJP wins what difference it is going to make for the people? if returned to power Cong-BJP will continue with their loot. If they win SS-BJP will start their loot, and start inquiries in shady deals of Cong-NCP. It has become a game of chor-sipahi. Aaj pahla chor aur doosra sipahi, kal doosra chor aur pehla sipahi. Beech main janta bani harjayee.

Scams have become an integral part of Indian politics. Whosoever is in power will indulge in shady deals. No single political party can be blamed for this. A nexus has been created between politicians, government departments, administrative agencies, police, judiciary and also public. Everybody is out to make easy money. It can not be stopped. Rather it will grow unchecked. What can be controlled is wasting money, resources and time on inquiring commissions. There should be a consensus between political parties that no inquiries should be ordered as everybody is nanga in this hamaam. Saare desh mein loot machee hai loot sake to loot, ant samay pachhtayega jab pran jayenge chhoot. Kaun chor hai kaun sipahi, dono hain ab bhai-bhai.Kal virodh main they sab chor aaj power main bane sipahi. Aur sipahi kal ke aaj pahan rahe choro ka taj.

jhandasinghji tusi great ho, kis baat ka kya matlab nikaal dete ho.

kenchappa. This dumbskull welcomes you to the board.

You have a selective vision. Could not see posts of Terrorr.

RG says that emergency was bad. Girja Vyas says that emergency was a thing of the past. Then why force Prakash Jha to justify emergency in his film on JP?

emergency was a thing of the past. Then why force Prakash Jha to justify emergency in his film on JP?

AICC Media Department Chairperson Girja Vyas says that it was a thing of past and people have already punished the party for it in 1977 elections. If congress believes in it then why it is raking up all decisions taken by NDA? People have also punished NDA in 2004 elections. It is shameful that congress in having double standards.

On RG's comments on emergency, AICC Media Department Chairperson Girja Vyas said that emergency was a thing of the past and people have already punished the party in 1977 elections. It is a clear admission that emergency was bad. Then why force Prakash Jha to justify emergency in his film on JP? People have also punished NDA for their actions in 2004 elections. Why all their decisions are being raked up? It is shameful that congress has become a party of double standards.

On Rahul's comments on emergency, AICC Media Department Chairperson Girja Vyas said that emergency was a thing of the past and people have already punished the party in 1977 elections. It is a clear admission that emergency was bad. Then why force Prakash Jha to justify emergency in his film on JP? People have also punished NDA for their actions in 2004 elections. Why all their decisions are being raked up? It is shameful that congress has become a party of double standards.

On HT gag order, AICC Media Department Chairperson Girja Vyas said that 'we don't comment on what commissionbs do'. But congress dismantles commissions if their reports are expected to be inconvenient. Indian people should repent their decision to enable congress to come to power.

People will pay, because they have given a chance to congress to manipulate their poll verdict to form the government. Jaisa karenge baisa bharenge.

Please read your message and try to make head and tail out of it.

He was overtaken by his love for Nehru. It tells that great people are also vulnerable at times. But when great people commit follies then people suffer for centuries.

This is his meeting Paki dictator with a human face.

Welcome to the board. At least there is one person who thinks on his known. I will look forward to your independent voews.

Forget about BJP and its leaders. If they did it then they are out. Now congress is doing it. Think about it and its leaders.

You are mistaken agniputra. Your Manmohanji is not leading any alliance. He himself is being led by Harkishan Singh Surjeet. And forget about RSS. Kher says that he is not associated with any organization. Kher is of the opinion that by forcing such non-issues down the throat of congress, communists want to show who is in power. And they have shown it number of times.

Taslimuddin, the criminal, has become honourable. See World Standards Day ad from BIS.

At center roles and authorities have been defined. Manmohan Singh will be the speaking PM, and Har Kishan Singh Surjeet will be PM in action. Communists have finally taken over India, courtesy Sonia.

You have rightly described Kuldip Nayar as a secular-media-mullah. How one can waste time on his articles?

Lack of nationalism and patriotism will also affect India's development. Communists have taken over the governance of India with congress-led UPA working as a proxy-government for left parties. But no body is alarmed at this.

I don't think morning is good. Communists have taken over and are ruling the country through proxy government run by congress led UPA.

As per ministry sources Sharmila Tagore is the new Chief of Censor Board. These are all sideline issues. Tell me are you not alarmed that communists are ruling the country in the backdrop of congress? If this continues Red Fort will have a red flag on 15th August 2005.

Prakash Jah has been directed by congress government that his film on JP should justify emergency. Where are champions of freedom of expression? Why are they not shouting? Have they been paid to keep quiet?

The power game at the center is over with left winning all matches. Congress role is only to work as proxy-government for the communists. Recent proxy jobs - Anupam Kher sacked, No disinvestment in oil PSUs.

At 0732 in the morning you could think only of this. Human life is a gift of God. Why are you wasting it in posting hate messages?

Anybody perceived inconvenient by congress is communal. This is their secular definition of 'communal'.

People on this board have no credentials to talk about Ram Rajya. This board also lacks the right discipline.

This board is no place for learning Dharma. Search for a teacher and if you are lucky you would get one. But for that total submission is essential.

Majority of people are not OK with different laws. They want a uniform civil code. But politicians have made it an vote-bank-issue for winning elections.

What is your problem? Now there is your favourite government at the center. Still you people are posting anti-NDA messages on the board. Are you having doubts about capability of congress? I think you should get off the board and wait for your favourite government to deliver what NDA government could not deliver.

I am sorry for you. You are far away in Chennai or I could have given you some food. Once you get good food your health will improve. Once you become healthy you can walk down on existing roads without any problem. You do not want Cable TV then what you will do with electricity?

OK you have proved your point. Now get off the board so that users can debate in a decent manner.

I think you need some medicine for yourself. You waste all your time on abusing BJP. Why are you not alarmed at congress becoming a proxy government for communists?

Is it asking too much from a congress supporter to use civilized language?

Your message shows your koop-mandook mentality. Your thinking is limited to winning or loosing in Maharashtra. Can't you think in national perspective? Congress has become a proxy government for communists. Are you not alarmed at this anti-national development?

Both these institutions of Rajya Sabha and Governors are not only a waste of hard earned public money but are used for narrow political gains and forcing rejected politicians again on the people. These institutions are a clear example of the contempt politicians have for Indian voters.

Why do you keep repeating the same message? Have you started having doubts of a congress vistory in Maharashtra?

It is not a question of accepting or not accepting defeat, but an issue of what is right and what is wrong. Congress at center is hobnobbing with communists. It has become a proxy government for left parties. Voting for congress in such a situation is wrong.

You have rightly not said Jai Bharata, because victory of congress in Maharashtra is a bad thing for India.

Congress is not a secular party. It is the worst communal party India has ever had. Congress under Nehru divided India on communal ground to grab power. It continued with its communal agenda for survival as a ruling party. Now it is again playing its communal card to grab power. However there is an addition. It is also working for communists to bring red rule in India.

Congress under Sonia and Manmohan has started its backward journey. Rajiv did it by nullifying SC judgement in ShahBano case. Manmohan has done it by opposing SC judgement on two-child norm for family planning to control population growth.

If your predictions are correct then the bad phase in Indian politics seem to be still continuing. Again voting for a backward party like congress and dishonoured party like NCP is a grave mistake. People voting for these two parties are in fact voting for Rule by Communists.

Supporters like you bring a bad name to congress. Is the language used by you the official language of congress party? Your messages look uncivilized in print.

You are right that people who believed in hate and dis-order formed Pakistan as it was necessary for their survival as rulers. A nation started on hate can never deliver love. Pakistan will always be a pain in the neck of India and this region.

NishantK, your post is in a very bad taste. By your name I assume that you belong to an educated family. Should you waste your talents in posting such messages about an organization which stands tallest among all as far as its love and respect for womanhood and people of this country are concerned.

Hey andhrawala, have you gone crazy? Stop this appeal nonsense now.

Read my post below - "What is 'Progressive' in 'United Progressive Alliance?'. Why are you appealing to vote for a backward party?

While on the subject of SC decisions, have you read that SC has backed two-child norm holding that it is in the national interest to check the population growth, butunion health minister Ramdoss has said that it is a violation of fundamental rights of the people? So an union minister is saying that SC is violating the fundamental right of people to produce as many children they want. Now would you say that what a shame that congress is yet again proving itself a backward party and also indulging in contempt of SC judgement?

Both foreign hand and lapse in custom check are responsible for this scattering of shells all over the country.

Please vote for Congress in the Maharasthra assembly elections if you oppose two-child norm to control population growth as stated by Union Health Minister Ramdoss.

Congress led UPA government and left parties have jointly sponsored the Red Festival in the country. If successful the festival will end with hoisting of red flag at Red Fort.

You are appealing people to vote for congress which has opposed two-child norm to control abnormal population growth against the progressive stand taken by the Supreme Court. Will you withdraw your appeal after the statement of Ramdoss, union health minister?

Supreme Court has backed two-child norm holding that 'it is in the national interest to check the population growth by casting disincentives even through legislation'. But Union Health Minister Ramdoss has said that 'we will not force or coerce anyone to adopt any family planning measures'. As per this progressive member of progressive alliance government 'enforcing the two-child norm in some states is totally against the basic fundamental rights of the people'. It is some progressive thinking and government policy, don't you agree? Or should the government delete word 'Progressive' from their alliance name, UPA.

Try to understand the message.

A true communalist speaking.

Start reading again. Your understanding of secularism is faulty. The fact is that congress is the biggest communal organization which has spread hate between Hindus and Muslims to create a vote bank. Nehru had divided India on Hindu-Muslim basis to become PM. Same formula has been used by congress after independence by creating hatred between Hindus and Muslims under the guise of muslim appeasement.

I am sorry I can not accept a communalist as a friend.

The biggest festival of India is the political festival UPA government is celebrating with communists - the festival of hoisting red flag on Red Fort.

Indian people have realized their mistake in voting BJP out of power. Bringing congress in has in fact brought communists in. They are the real rulers. Congress to keep BJP out of power is compromising with national security.

Rather than calling yourself secular_indian, you should devote some time to understand what is secularism and what is National security.

Yes, I fully agree with you that non-BJP parties, crying hoarse of being secular, are doing more harm to Indian society. Their hate- spread campaign in the name of secularism has created more violance in post-independent India. Unfortunately media has also joined these hate-agents.

From number of messages in support and against BJP being posted on this board it seems that people have not yet reconciled to the defeat of BJP in Lok Sabha elections. Perhaps they are repenting on their vote against BJP as leftist parties have almost taken over the governance of the country. Congress has become a figurehead only.

You call cursing others a wit?

What is wrong with you? There is nothing in my message that you should get offended. You can't even wish good to others. Let me wish for you. May God grant you a positive attitude.

Sorry, you failed to understand the wit in my message.

It is not a decent way of addressing others. Every civilized person will feel offended on your indecent use of words for addressing other people.

I don't think they feel offended if you differ with them on various issues. The language you use is offensive.

You forget that Sonia is also a graduate from Cambridge, as per the statement given by her in her election nomination declaration.

A quarterwit perhaps or zerowit altogether.

But media is making us believe that people in Maharashtra are doing nothing these days except electioneering.

You are really great Tejaswin. Coming out of the blue and posting a message about some thing having no connection with the topic.

Let me elaborate on your wish - the stable government should work for the people with a positive attitude.

There can be no disagreement with what you wish from the new government in Arunachal Pradesh. Developing infrastructure including education should be the top priorities of any government.

Starting yet another day with posting a bad message. Is it really asking too much from you to be positive in your messages?

Mr. sanjay please don't feel bad about 50 or 500. UPA is not responsible for this as they could do no wrong. I think an inquiry should be ordered to find the real culprits who in no case can be from UPA. It is the season of inquiries. Keep your spirits high and keep writing about good points of UPA. You are doing a real service to congress. One day you will be rewarded.

And UPA supporters on this board also deserve all the appreciation and encouragement. Keep it up. One day you are going to be rewarded for your efforts.

No, No, don't worry about that. This board has so much bitterness spread around that any amount of sugar coated messages will not turn it sweet.

Oh agniputra, you have a negative mindset. I am not sad. I am happy as sanjaymumbai has found some happiness. I am trying to encourage him to think of more positive points of UPA rather than wasting his time in finding negative points of BJP. But why I am telling you all this, you will not understand it till you do not come out of your negative mind set.

Let me answer your question - Why no other party or community is asking for anti-conversion law? They are not asking it because they are not affected by conversion. Hindu Religion does not speak of conversion, but in case of their religion conversion by force is the central point. So an anti-conversion law has become a necessaity to keep these people in check.

Some regulation is needed in a society.

Please allow me to disagree with you on your statement - "there is no one to hear the sound being made by them". There is at least one person who listens to what they say and see what they do. His name is sanjaymumbai. Since morning till evening he only talks about them. Sometimes I am confused whether it is love or hate.

You seem to be obsessed with Khaki knickers. You must be seeing them in your dreams also. Are you angry with them that even after they got 5 years to rule..they messed it up, or there is some other reason for hating them. Please don't tell it if it is personal.

Why do you keep on repeating that these people are anti-national and -commonman? You are a very intelligent person, if you have said it once means you have said it thousand times. Burning of butts has reminded me of Ravan burning the tail of Hanuman. Are you aware what happened after that?

Yes, these foggys can't see beyond narrow dirty gutter, whereas you can see deep inside the gutter. They are no match for you agniputra.

PLease don't spoil the good show being put up by him for congress/UPA who can do no wrong.

You have such an effective analytical power. Why do you waste it for analyzing negative aspects of BJP? Utilize this great virtue of yours to analyze good work done by UPA. Time is limited. Don't waste it on BJP.

On the other MB you were so happy in counting good work done by UPA government that I could not stop me from conratulating you. Why don't you enjoy your happiness and leave BJP/NDA to their games? Why do you talk about negative aspects of BJP when you can talk about positive aspects of UPA? See positive, talk positive and behave positive. Congress is a very fortunate party to have you as its supporter. Keep it up and forget about BJP.

It is good to see you happy. Now enjoy your happiness and forget those whom you don't like.

Don't get excited. In today's world no body can be converted or re-converted against his or her will.

Is this new user takla_advani related to you? He seems to have taken a hint from your message to decide his ID. If so then Conratulations for becoming a ideal for others.

Are you a historian?

Poor chaps. Lost the benefit of reservation because of conversion to christianity, a so-called classless religion. Till now outcast by their new socalled classless community. Lost at both ends. There is a saying in Hindi - Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka.

What lies b-advani? (b = bad mouth)

Were you also a student? From your abusing posts you look like a person who never went to a school.

What sort of a person are you b-advani? You start your day with abusing others. Tell me the meaning of 'b' in your ID. May be it has some link with your uncivilized behaviour.

What a choice, the icon of Maharashtra dishonour as its CM?

OK, let us discuss the facts. MKG was an institution not merely a physical body. His whole life was a concept, an experiment with truth and sacrifice. He was well above the physical aspects of life. Godse killed only his physical body a little earlier than it would have perished on its own. But congress has killed the institution, his ideals, the results of his experiments with truth. They have encashed his name for power. Congress has built its empire on the dead body of his ideals. Still they are doing it. They are killing him daily. Aiyer has killed him very recently. Can you understand all this? This is the reality which you can not face.

MKG was an institution. Godse has only killed his physical body but congress leaders have killed the institution. They are bigger killers.

I always thought that you were a supporter of congress. Have you changed your loyalty? You are predicting loss of deposits for congress candidates as congress leaders are killing Mahatmaji daily by encashing his name and reversing his ideals.The great man knew their worth and that is why he had resigned from the congress and advised to wind it up. Congress and congress leaders have killed him again and again.

You mea to Indian armed forces to fight with Pak army?

Lalu's pak trip should be investigated. But MMS is working under compulsions of coalition politics. And when such people are in power who will investigate them. Pak is acting in a real intelligent manner, installing a mole in Indian government itself.

This should be investigated.

What will happen if there is another war with pakistan and Lalu is Home or Defence Minister?

In my opinion lalu's statement is a crime against nation. Only a paki agent will speak like this. I am surprised why no action has been taken against him.

Reservation was introduced with a real desire to help the downtrodden, and was to be phased out in few years as it was never considered a permanent solotion. Later congress discovered it as a tool for creating and nursing vote banks.It will be against national interests was not an issue for them as congress leaders were always guided by their narrow personal interests. Reservation is being practiced as a waepon for appeasement, and congress is now working overtime to enlarge its coverage. Left and Lalu like politicians are no doubt helping them with an eye on their slice of the cake.

But they will not agree with you.

Relevant but inconvenient.

Comerade how do you relate with this agniputra fellow? Is he also a comerade?

Please visit sify.com (full address given in the post above). Rahul refused to go to Maharashtra as he is not sure of congress win. Beware, your views are at variance with those of your leader.

Both are same. One should love the nation and its people. Such love can be termed as patriotism.

And your political affiliations Comerade?

This is the conflict I was meaning in the reply to one of your posts below. The primary nature of a human being is to love. But some people have become such strong haters that they worship a person who abuses those whom we are not in agreement with. This and other such conflicts are the cause for this turmoil in Indian society. To correct it each one of us should aim for 'Spread Love Not Hate'.

You have hit the nail. Congratulations. All eggs in the basket are rotten, not even one is good.

Biggest sin is 'not to love'.

Is it Rahul's personal opinion or congress as a party also thinks so?

No, this is not the final destination. Such ups and downs come in the life of any country. India is passing through a phase of conflict. It will come out of it. Have faith in its ability.

What do they call it - 'Dream turned sour'?

But what issue they will be left with to discuss and criticize Hindus? They will be out of job.

Prime minister says that he raised the issue of cross-border terrorism during his talks with Pakistan President. But why it was not mentioned in the joint statement has not yet been answered by him. Kuch dal mein kala lagta hai.

"NDA for the past four months has been indulging in activities that do not behove an opposition. But then what can you do?" Any comments dear MB users?

Manmohan Singh is also saying that his government will complete 5 year's full term.

You are right. I hope this lapse will not result in loosing the reward.

"UPA Government will complete 5[year term". Any comments dear MB users?

It is their misplaqced conception that by treating Hindus and Hinduism in this derogatory manner they will join the progressive and secular club. Have I earned $ 100 Million?

Good morning MB users. Ready for a good debate? Let me give you a topic. The fresh delivery on behalf of UPA government has been made by Law Minister Bharadwaj. He has killed Tehalka probe and made some unparliamentary remarks about Jaya Jaitly. She has asked him to withdraw his remarks and aplologise to her. With this delivery, he has joined the select club of Patil, Aiyer, Arjun and Lalu.

Congratulations, you have such clear views on all subjects.

Hello Comerade what abuses you have in store for BJP/RSS for today? Your friend vadvani has already started abusing them.

But why not award the punishment first and then investigate?

Congress has made plans to corner in West Bengal. But at center, congress along with left is cornering the entire country.

Prime Minister is delivering at least one statement per day. His latest statement is Gender-neutral-society. Any comments dear MB users, on what he means by this?

I have already visited the site and registered my protests.

UPA government and its allies hav initiated many drives - against polluting industries & vehicles, enchroachment of public land, traffic violations, experts in planning consulting groups etc. When it will intitiate a drive against its tainted and nonperforming ministers?

But I understand that MMS was given dinner by Bush.

Because we are secular and they are not. I will shortly visit the site to register my protest.

Whose hand it will be, MMS's or Natwar's?

A keen political observation. It will certainly make C-N combine happy. You must be getting a thanks call from them soon.

Not all Hindus, only those who are in congress.

Please don't ask such inconvenient questions.

Your eyes took lot of time to open.

But are you not discussing here as a member of CPM? Your every post says that we did this, we did not do that. I had a friend in Kolkata who used to give us sweets whenever we will call him a member of CPM Politbureau. If you do not want to give sweets it is OK, but why feel bad?

Now a real communist is speaking.

Did I hurt you by calling you a member of CPM Politbureau? I thought issues and policies are an integral part of a communist's personality. Believe me I was only appreciating your grasp on issues being discussed on the board.

You talk as though are a member of CPM Politbureau. What is your real name comerade?

This is my first experience with a better-Hindu. But for me only-Hindus are OK. They do not keep such ID. I do not support any foul mouthed person. Last two sentences of your post suggest that RSS have interferred in your life. Are you fighting a personal war with RSS on this board? You should have gone to their office and settled the matter. On this board you can post some productive views, if you have any.

Wah jhandasingh ji kya kafia milayaa hai - jub jawaab nahin hai paas tau karlo bakwaas.

Did you read my post properly? By your post it seems you have not. Please read it and try to understand it. You will find answer to your question. Now let me pose this question to you also. Are you a hypocrite?

I return your compliment. Try to understand who is sick, you or I? You are posting under an ID agniputra. If you are a Hindu then even after being the son of fire your views are anti-Hindu and anti-India. And if you are a muslim then you are committing a crime against Allah by calling yourself son of fire. In Islam they bury the dead, not burn them with fire.

I know you are a rumor_monger. But at least when somebody is asking for some information you should be honest in giving it, and should not behave like a congi to distort the facts. Uma Bharati resigned her CMship to honour the order of the court. The order was later reversed and Uma Bharati was discharged with honour. She has created a standard for other politicians to follow. She has restored the respect of Tiranga. Every patriotic Indian should salute her.

And congress leaders are killing him and his ideals everyday. The latest killer is Aiyer. Think positively Mr. vadvani, then you will understand it.

You are asking too much from leftist parties. What they are doing is an integral part of their culture.How can they change it?

My stand is that no person with tainted background should be allowed to contest any election. Now Mr. vadvani, are you a hypocrite?

Have you taken an oath not to never improve Mr. vadvani?

A negative mindset manifests itself in negative thoughts only.

I am very much knowledgeable about all these things. But one thing I feel that leftist parties have overblown a non-issue. Foreign consultants can be a member on planning groups or they can be hored as and when required. It is only a matter of convenience. The main aim of leftists was to show to the world that who is the real power in India these days. The power hungry congress fell at the feet of those who call Deputy Chairman of Planning Commission a world bank agent. May God save the country from this coalition.

A very good point has been raised by Mr. Dalvi. Why in the first place have lawless ministers? At least those politicians who are known for their law breaking acts should be kept at bay.

Yes, a very good point has been raised by Mr. Dalvi. Why in the first place have lawless ministers? At least those politicians who are known for for their law breaking acts should be kept at bay.

Railway Minister Laloo Parsad Yadav has said that people found littering the railway premises and relieving themselves on the tracks would be penalized. He also warned those committing crimes on trains. A good thought but it should remain merely another populist measure of Mr. Laloo. I would like to ask him, as what punishment he has reserved for himself for littering the national premises, relieving himself on political platform amd committing crimes against Indian society and Natiion?

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met young congress MPs to know their views on various issues. I wonder if any MP raised the issue of tainted ministers and if so what was the answer of Mr. Singh. Also as he is seen by people, what type of ammunition Mr. Singh has prepared to feed these young guns?

Any bad thought or action is bad irrespective of who is the author or actor. But Mr. vadvani I can not understand that why do you always look for negative aspects of any thought or action? There are good things and there are bad things in all people. No body is perfect. But why one should look only for bad things in a person? We think that we are the winner but in fact we are harming ourselves. By always looking for bad things one day we will become a negative personality.

You sure are an ardent politics observer.

Why congress should not be blamed? If congress claims entire credit for freedom then they should be blamed for the partition of the country.

Like competing with Lalu for chaara?

You mean such good things really happen?

You sure do not like moon.

A sick way of looking at things by a sick mind.

And these sick guys are making India sick.

And what about poison of congress which has killed MKG again and again by encashing his name for serving their vested interests?

I am posting the reply on this board as it is not shown there. Godse killed MKG (his body) only once but congress leaders have killed him many times (his principles). Visiting Rajghat on 2nd October and then encashing his association with congress throughout the year. They have not yet reconciled that MKG had resigned from congress. Aiyer killed him when he said that MKG would have felt insulted because a plaque was not installed in his name. Does MKG need such plaques? Does his contribution to India's freedom movement need any certificates from congress leaders? Aiyer killed him again when he insulted Savarkar to correct insult to MKG.

Godse killed MKG (his body) only once but congress leaders have killed him many times (his principles). Visiting Rajghat on 2nd October and then encashing his association with congress throughout the year. They have not yet reconciled that MKG had resigned from congress. Aiyer killed him when he said that MKG would have felt insulted because a plaque was not installed in his name. Does MKG need such plaques? Does his contribution to India's freedom movement need any certificates from congress leaders? Aiyer killed him again when he insulted Savarkar to correct insult to MKG.

Godse killed Bapu (his body) only once but congress leaders have killed him many times (his principles). Visiting Rajghat on 2nd October and then encashing his association with congress throughout the year. They have not yet reconciled that Bapu had resigned from congress. Aiyer killed Bapu when he said that Bapu would have felt insulted because a plaque was not installed in Bapu's name. Does Bapu need such plaques? Does Bapu's contribution need certificates from congress leaders? Aiyer killed Bapu again when he insulted Savarkar to correct insult to Bapu.

Yes, the self-declared secularists will insult their parents if the person next door belongs to minority community and appeasing him will bring them votes or appreciation of Indian media. Secularism practiced by congress, leftists and Lalu like intellectuals is not only turning anti-Hindu but also anti-India.

What these pseudosecularists congress, leftists and Lalu like intellectuals will do now, lodge protests against UK government?

Sometime I feel that with EC, SC, NHRC and other similar institutions working overtime, India does not need enemies like Pakistan.

A columnist has suggested that to get a slice one should give a slice. In 1947 Congress government under Nehru gave a slice in the form of a part of J&K to Pakistan (now known as POK). Pakistan now wants the remaining piece also. Will the same congress government under Manmohan Singh (in fact under great-daughter-in-law of Nehru) will give another slice to Pakistan?

A good governance no doubt.

A good advice to voters. Let us see how Maharashtrian voters vote in this election.

Hubli case is over. NDTV should remove this topic from the board.

Why single out Jaya? Every scamster is trying to prove his/her innocence. Some are even using their position in government to clean their tainted slate. And media consider them their hero. One has to be in media limelight.

Congress and its allies have made India a developed country in at least vote-bank-politics. USA can certainly learn some good points in their coming Presidential election. I would suggest USA should take some experts from India to manage their campaign.

Has any inquiry in indpendent India ever brought out the truth?

With so many daily and weekly newspapers/ journals already available people don't need any more paper. There are many other ways to make a living.

Minimum two things are required for any organization to deliver. One is positive attitude and other is time. All constituents of the government do not display a positive attitude. The most glaring examples are Lalu Parsad, Arjun Singh and Aiyer. They are misusing their position and resources to either settle scores or to clean their own taint. As far as time is concerned, one can use it either productively or waste it on irrelevant issues. Each day has 24 hours. No body can stretch it. If a government spends this valuable time in taking on NDA coalition or building and nursing vote banks then it won't be delivering any thing good. In five years such government can only take the country backwards.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh calls it compulsion of coalition politics. But in my opinion it is paying ransom to leftists blackmail. Is chair so dear to you Mr. PM?

Thanks for providing information about this website.

UPA govrenment should declare children as national assets. Any body found abusing, damaging or exoloiting this resource should be prosecuted.

In reference to a nation such changes take time. But you are right about damage caused to the system.

Yes, I agree with you Pandey Ji. They are burning with hate for upper caste Hindus and do not realize this hate-fire will only harm them. They are turning into a liability on Indian society and nation. But we should not retaliate in a manner they do or there will be no difference between us and them.

Confidence of Indian people in judiciary has indeed gone down, but there is still hope. The day is not far when there will be a very strict law to prevent criminals in entering parliament. Already there is a lot of pressure from the public. Politicians will not be able to resist it for long.

Don't bother about politicians. Enjoy your festivals.

Pandey Ji, you could have expressed your views without being offensive to PM and Sonia.

People are not objecting to a probe. A probe was already on. People are objecting to an additional probe.

Users on this boatd may rest for a while. SC has issued notice to Lalu under a PIL for removal of tainted ministers. Let us wait for the result.

Prime Minister has gone out of the way to convince Indian people that there has been no dilution on cross-border terrorism. This has been necessitated by his own action. There is no refrence to terrorism in the joint statement issued after his talks with Pakistan President. Politics may be a complex phenomenon. Let PM handle it in his own way. But common Indian people want that result of any political exercise should be clear and understandable. They expect that if any joint statement is issued after any meeting with another country, all issues discussed should be included in it. Why it has not been done in this case should be explained by the PM. Later statements that it was raised during talks are unnecessary and confusing.

Two women, poles apart in origin and ideology, have acted in a similar manner. Circumstances might be different, reasons might be different, attitudes might be different, but the result is same. Sonia did not take the post of PM, and Uma resigned the post of CM. NDTV should create a new topic on this for discussion on the board.

Two women, poles apart in ideology, have acted in a similar manner. Circumstances might be different, reasons might be different, but result is same. Sonia Gandhi did not take the post of PM, and Uma Bharati resigned the post of CM. Should NDTV not create a new topic on this for discussion?

It is wrong to say that Christianity,Islam and Hinduism,all of them are fake religions. No religion teaches lies. It is some the followers who are fake and tell lies. PLease don't use any offensive words for any religious figure.

Let all of us wish a very happy birthday to Dr. Man Mohan Singh. May God grant him the strength to win over the compulsions of coalition politics to dismiss all tainted ministers and also nonperforming or trouble creating ministers. God may also grant him strength to out of Sonia's shadow.

Allow me to disagree with you Mr. onlytruth. I am also a Hindu and my religion has only taught me to conduct myself in a positive manner.

The primary aim of any human being should be to serve and not to rule.

This user hindu_hindu is a crazy fellow. I am lodging a complaint against him including those users who are replying to his posts.

No Mr. mabaalaji, what remaining is being posted is also offensive. This is not a forum for discussing religion. If some users want to discuss each other's religion they can assemble at a place and discuss it. Abusing each other's religion is indicative of a sick mind. Such people can not be allowed on this board. I once again request all users to refrain from posting offensive messages, and no messages related to religion and faith.

It is not posting reality. It is plain abuse of a religion which can not be permitted whatever may be the circumstances.It is an open forum and there is a code for users who want to debate on this board. Anybody not ready to accept the code is not welcome.

All users should follow NDTV Code - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard".

Woh ek Insaan hai.

Sonia has again sanctioned a big amount from PM's relief fund. Visit - http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13574173 Everybody wishes recovery to the girl. But the question is how secure is this fund? Can Sonia play with it any time in any manner she likes? It reminds us of that case when a large amount was taken out of STate Bank of India by one Nagarwala with the help of Manager Malhotra becauseMata Ji Indira wanted that money. Nagarwala died in Jail and malhotra in a road accident.

NDTV, how come you are allowing crazy people to use the board?

Then why mullahs and maulvis are alive?

Mr. Badvani, please don't use the word 'We' for you. You are one of its kind. And as far as shame brought on you is concerned, you yourself are responsible for that.

You are a true representative of Islam.

Thanks for suggesting websites for understanding Shree Gita.

Mr. Boosedk, are you having some special purpose in posting this off-topic message on the board?

Mr. Badvani, are you having some personal enemity with Advani Ji? Also have you not been taught how to respect other people. Advani ji was ex-Deputy PM of India. Address him with respect. Another thing you should understand that this board is not for settling personal enemity. While writing messages keep NDTV Code in mind - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard".

In Delhi Parliament was attacked. In Mumbai bombs were blasted not once but amny times. In J&K assembly was attacked. There are many instances of terrorism in India. Why only isolate Gujrat? The thinking behind creating such topics is deplorable.

You should follow NDTV Code - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard".

Don't throw such challenges Mr. Muslim. You are sure to loose here.

Mr. Muslim, religion is a matter of faith. If you want to learn about Hinduism then first you will have to change your basic thinking that only Islam is correct, and Hinduism is a religion of non-believers.

A responsible Indian citizen has filed a PIL in SC on tainted ministers, praying that tainted persons should not be inducted in the council of ministers. SC had earlier rejected his similar PIL saying that parliament was discussing this issue and let it come out with some decision. As parliament had not discussed this issue and PM had opined that tainted ministers should not be there and all parties should discuss and make a code of conduct, SC has now agreed to issue notices to government, EC and all tainted ministers including their champion Lalloo.

Mr deepak7, Pawar is not fooling himself. He is making a fool of the people of Maharashtra. He left congress on the issue of Sonia's foreign origin. He made a fool of all Indian people when in LS elections he became an ally of same congress. Noe he is fooling people of Maharashtra by talking this nonsense. He can even say that he rejected the offer of PMship offered by Sonia. But in reality he will continue hobnobbing with Sonia.

Prayers shower Grace of God on us. If you are praying five times a day then you must be receiving His Grace. But it is still a personal matter. What is the purpose of posting it on an open board?

If you look below message box, while writing a message, you will find following NDTV code - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard". If your ID was blocked then you must have violated the code. Now be careful while writing messages and keep your new ID alive.

Mr. Man Mohan Singh is Prime Minister of India. If you feel that it is not proper for him to be associated with a political party which killed sikhs in 1984, you could have said it in a decent manner. Why have you to say it in this manner?

If any user wants to read a good artcle visit - http://sify.com/news/columns/fullstory.php?id=13574053

Holyislam has posted offensive messages. NDTV to take note of it.

There can't be two opinions about it.

Lalloo is not spending money and resources on Bihar. He is spending money and resources on himself and his likes in the name of Bihar.

Every religion is religion of God.

This section of muslims in India are indeed working for that. But their disloyalty can not diminish the loyalty of those muslims who died for India. They deserve equal praise as any other Indian martyr.

And then used his brand image for serving their personal interests. Till date Nehru family is encashing on the brand image of Bapu.

Mr. ALiali has posted three offensive messages. NDTV to take note of it.

Please refrain from posting such messages. If you consider it a joke then it is a joke in very bad taste.

Both Islam and Christianity are products of conflict and hate. Since their birth both are involved in conflicts only. Idea of peaceful coexistence was alien to them. It always surprised them that how Indian people having different beliefs can live together in peace. Till date they have not come to terms to this idea of sarva Dharma Sadbhav. They hate this concept as their faith tells them that no other faith is good. Indians have always been good to others, even at the cost of injuring their own. Muslims and Christians have always misused this goodness.After independence this giidness has been misused in the form of muslim and christian appeasement.

It is a national routine India is going through. Abroad, Indian PM is shaking hands with USA, UK, Paki dictator. At home media has created a hype. All are competing with each other to praise these people. After some time USA will announce another big favour for pakistan. Paki dictator will say something negative and whole process will be derailed. Terrorists will carry out a big strike killing more innocent Indians. Indian courts will release another terrorist declaring him inncocent. And Natwar Singh will go and shake hands with his paki counterpart.

Shame on shameless journalists. Their priorities are different. They do not know what common people think about various issues. They have glorified Lalloo and his likes. If the daughter of their ideal slaps them then they must be feeling proud of themselves.

You have raised a very intersting point Mr. ManIndia. If compulsory interviews are held for those who wish to contest the election the scenerio would be different. EC should conduct these interviews and publish the result for the people to know whom they are going to elect as their representative for five years.

Political parties have formed alliances to grab power. Let people of Maharashtra also form an alliance to protect their interests. They should vote only for those who have a clean record. Let Maharashtra create an examplr for the people of India and reject all criminals and opportunists.

What practical things we see today were theories in the past. Today Mr. Jranjan has taken note of it though not with an enthusiasm it deserves. Tomorrow someone else will take note of it and slowly-slowly it may take a practical shape.

Andhra Pradesh High Court judgment should be treated as an example for the nation at large on the issue of reservation. It is also a fitting reply to the stand taken by Meira Kumar, Minister for Social Justice, that reservation is not a dole but a corrective action. Reservation is being given to get votes as a return gift. This makes it a dole. It is not a corrective action as the problem is still there even after more than five decades. The problem has also increased as evidenced by shameful demands of increasing number of people asking for reservation. Government forcing private sector to introduce reservation is another example that the problem has not been removed but has assumed alarming proportions. Reservation as a corective action has failed. The issue should be discussed again to find other corrective actions. One such action can be the empowerment through education as suggested by PM. But such empowerment should be independent, transparent and objective.

Prime Minister's statement that congress chief Sonia had asked him to become PM has put her in a bad light. If what he says is correct then what followed after polls and what has happened in Central Hall of Parliament was a shameful drama to glorify Sonia. Congress has disgraced itself and has also insulted the people of India. Congress's recent statement that what the PM said is between him and Sonia is compounding the insult. The drama was played in Central Hall of Parliament and was telecast live. It was not played in private in a room at 10, Janpath.

Very Good Morning Mr. truehindu. You have started your day so nicely. I hope that we will see only nice messages during the day.

Mr. badvani, you get up so early in the morning to start your day by posting a hate message. Try to change it and say Good Morning to all.

Politicians may claim that days of clean politics are over, but we, as common people, should not accept it. Indian people have a right to demand a clean governance. Scoundrels, traitors and criminals should not be allowed at any cost and under no circumstances. No excuse, such as, compulsion of coalition politics as advocated by PM, should be accepted by people.

But that is their job Mr. nitinn. If you have said that opposition should be constructive then I would have agreed with you. But their also it requires a constructive approach from the ruling party.

Mr. badvani, you posted this message so early in the morning. Is it a part of your daily prayer?

It is unfortunate that courts are oblivious of peoples' concern on criminals in parliament and state assemblies. Whereas people are asking for removal of criminals from council of ministers, the Bombay HC has allowed a known criminal to contest election in Maharashtra.

India needs a National Common Minimum Programme agreed by all political parties, whether in ruling coalition or in opposition. There are various aspects on which a common strtegy should be evolved independent of political affiliations. Such issues can be foreign policy, terrorism, HRD & empowerment, interrelationship, sustainable development. Existing CMP of UPA government is wrongly being projected as national CMP. A large section of political parties are not being represented in it. Even partner parties are fighting on its implementation. It is all because these parties are not looking at CMP with a national perspective, but to serve their vested narrow political interests.

Muslims also fought for India's freedom. Let us not deny credit to them, or else it will be similar to what congress did and is doing.

You have also fallen pray to wrong history written by congress.

From all the messages posted by Patriot10 on 'who is patriot' only one conclusion can be drawn. Savarkar was a patriot and fought for freedom of India. Nehru and other congressman can not stand to him.

From all messages posted by Patriot10 on Nehru points to one conclusion that congress in first few decades after independence, when it was in power, wrote wrong history. Nehru and other congressmen were made hero and others were projected as those who did not fight for freedom. Based on this wrong history congressmen even today cry hoarse that they brought freedom to India and no RSS/BJP leader participated in freedom movement. When BJP tried to correct the history then these self-styled freedom fighters shouted foul. Now when again in power congress is on its old job of distorting histoery.

Please try to understand. First of all I am a Hindu. I feel hurt when somebody abuses my religion. In this case that somebody is doing it because you are abusing his religion. In your filthy fight my religion is being abused. Stop this or else you may find yourself in deeptrouble. You can not hide behind your false ID. Police will reach you.

Stop it Desh_Premi. This board is not for abusing other religions. You are hurting feelings of Hindus. If you do not stop it then you will find yourself in big trouble. It will not be possible to hide behind a false ID. Police can reach you anytime. Don't force to inform your ID to police.

Don't return abusive posts. I will be then in a position to take the issue further against those who are abusing my religion. Presently abuses are being hurled from both sides. It would be difficult to isolate one side being responsible for this. Who started first is impossible to find out. So both sides will be treated as equally responsible.

And what about you? Are you supporting this trend of posting offensive messages abusing religion?

Your name has also been added to the list of those who are posting offensive messages.

Your posts are abusing Islam and are a cause of return abuses for Hinduism. Because of your offensive posts my religion is being abused. I have asked both sides to refrain from posting offensive messages about religion. All yours and other such posts are in violation of NDTV code that no offensive messages should be posted. These offensive posts are also violating law of the land.

Mr. truehindu you have been marked as a violator of code of NDTV for keeping on posting offensive messages. Wait for action.

No Mr. truehindu you are wrong. Whatever may be the reason for you to post offensive messages against Islam the result is that you have become a cause of abuse to Hindu religion. You could have taken a stand like me. No excuses and arguments can justify your action. It is bad that you have posted another offensive message just after I requested you to stop it.

I register a strong protest against offensive missages being posted by Desh_Premi, truehindu, Aaman, Patriot10, rumor_monger and other users posting offensive messages.While one group of these users abuse Islam, other group abuses Hinduism. I am a Hindu and I cannot tolerate such abuse to my religion. While one group is directly abusing my religion, the other group is causing this abuse to be hurled at my religion and Hindu Gods. I request all such users to stop this immediately. They should not be under wrong impression that their abuses on the interner are beyond the reach of police.

Mr. Desh_Premi, I register my strong protest on your offensive messages abusing my faith on this and other boards. I request you and other users like you to stop this. Your messages are hurting my religious feelings. I can not sit idle and take these abuses. I request you to immiediately stop this. Please don't be under impression that abusing on internet is beyond the reach of law and order authorities.

Mr. rumor_monger you say that you offer regular prayers to Allah, but then howcome you are posting such offensive messages. Prayer to Allah showers His grace on the people. Does it mean that Allah has not considered you worthy of His grace even after you are offering Him regular prayers?

Are you keeping a count on number of offensive messages you have posted on the board. Well I keeping a record of such messages. If these abuses on the board do not stop then this record will be passed on to concerned law and order authorities.

If these abuses are being hurled at Mother Sita then Mr. Patriot10 you are responsible for that. You are the cause for these abuses. I am once again request you and other board users like you to stop this. Debate on topics created by NDTV. Stop posting abuses on faiths. Don't think misusing internet is beyond reach of concerned authorities.

I would not have bothered if you people were abusing each other on personal level. But when you abuse others' faith and they in return abuse your faith, and when incidentally I belong to one of these faiths, then I can not keep quite. When some users are becoming a cause for abusing my faith then they should be told to shut up and behave. You people can not use NDTV board to abuse my faith. So far I have been requesting you people to stop it. Pleasze stop it and debate on issues in a decent manner. Your messages should not hurt anybody.

Mr. holyislam, your understanding is wrong. Hindus were never slaves of Islam. It is muslims who have ruled India. Those Hindus who were afraid have already converted to and become slaves of Islam. Your forefathers were one of them.

You say you offer regular prayers. How then you can hate somebody? Prayers bring peace of mind. Prayers showers you with grace of Allah. How after getting this gift of Allah you write such offensive messages? And if somebody sees your faith in bad light he will be answerable to his God. Leave it to Allah. He has granted you His faith. He is Almighty. You think that He needs your help to protect the faith?

Mr. Earthquake, I do not understand why you should take it as an offense, if someone worships elephant God? It is not a rational thinking. You should confine yourself to prayers of your Allah. Let others worship as per their faith.

Mr, rumor_monger why don't you understand? Life is very short. Why you are wasting it in abusing Hindu Gods? You should use it for offering prayers to Allah. It will bring you peace, love of Allah and a place in Jannat.

Your message is offensive. It will not earn you any dollor,Mr.truehindu, but only displeasure of Bhagwan.

Have you ever thought that your Allah may be having a coalition arrangement with Hindu Gods? If it is so then your abusing Hindu Gods will earn you displeasure of Allah.

Maulama should read recent article of Dr. Rafiq Zakaria on family planning in HT of September 19.

Have you read Dr. Rafiq Zakaria's recent article in HT of September 19 - 'In support of family planning'?

Physically I will agree as he looks quite healthy. But mentally, NO. His attitude towards life and people is not positive.

I don't think Lord Rama is going to be happy with you for abusing Prophet.Abusing others' faith is a crime against God, be It Allah or Bhagwan.

I don't think Lord Rama is going to be happy with you for abusing Prophet.Abusing others' faith is a crime against God.

If you think that by abusing Hindu Gods you will receive love of Allah and get a place in Jannat, then you are wrong. You are only disgracing yourself in this life and spoiling all chances of being awarded Jannat after death. You have posted many offensive messages and compounded your crime against Allah.

Mr. simplycitizen, do you think that by posting such offensive message you will recive love of Bhagwan?

Hey desh_premi, do you think that by posting such offensive message you will receive love of Allah?

Is abusing others' religion a new type of prayer?

Are some users on the board abusing others' religion in the hope that their own God will be very happy with them?

By reading messages on this board should one conclude that these people are true followers of their reszpective faith?

My dear agniputra, when I said that Indian people are trying to keep criminals out of Lok Sabha and State Assemblies I meant those criminals who are already in. Why you suddenly jump to conclusions and start taking names? Why you can't stick to the issue and post your views?

Keep your cool agniputra. Your sudden burst of anger has deflected the message thread.

Your three line message if accepted by people will remove all isms. Unfortunately it is not practical and advisable.

You are proposing a very difficult code of conduct for politicians. Please allow me to correct you. Politicians are not citizens of India. They are VIPs, much above than the nation.

And Indian people are talking to keep criminals out of Lok Sabha and State assemblies. Is he contesting on congress ticket?

What has happened. First mullahs said that Gudia should return to her first husband. Now mullahs are saying that she should return to her second husband. Is this Gudia a woman or some commodity? Is anybody bothered what she thinks about it? And where are human right activists?

Congress should apologise for trying to introduce reservation on communal lines. Will congress do it? No, it is incapable of any positive action. And I am sure congress will find some other way to appease muslims.

Mr. valalwi, you seem to be doing research on communalism and its various aspects. A good going. Keep on posting your findings.

More congratulations

For a change a nice message from you Mr. valalwi. Congratulations.

If you permit me to use 'should' Mr. Valalwi, I will say that dream of every Indian should be a positive relationship between all people and peaceful coexistence. Do you agree with me?

You have done quite a research but your conclusions are not entirely correct. Your message is too late if you refer to BJP in power before election 2004. It is too soon if you refer to BJP in power after next election.

You say that people of Pakistan seems to be a nice bunch. But have you read the news where a report says that majority of pakistani people support suicide attacks if carried out for Islam? Now will you like to revise your opinion?

If there were some aspects of the case which were not covered by existing inquiry set up, then its scope could have been enlarged. An additional inquiry will eat away lot of money and other resources. It is certainly not a good decision from management point of view. Wasting national resources to settle political scores is a national crime. The unfortunate thing is that the criminal minister is being praised for this politically motivated wrong decision.

A nice view point. Politicisation of festivals is a stunt created by EC in its bid to project itself before the world as a great institution. It is a habit with some Indians to undermine their culture to impress upon others.

Forget about elections,votes and politics. Enjoy your festivals. 'Enjoy and let other enjoy' should be our slogan.

Why do you use such abusive language in your messages Mr. badvani?

Let us see if people of Maharashtra wish to have another round of misrule.

I am inclined to agree with you. India is only chasing a mirage. Pakistan can never be a friend. There is so much talk about people to people relations. But a report says that majority of pakistani people support suicide attacks if carried out for Islam.

Do you have any suggestions Mr. Valalwi?

This is a valid point you have raised Mr. Amit. Few days back Musharraf said that Pakistan will never give up Kashmir. Today's news is that majority of pakistanis support suicide attacks if carried in the nane of Islam. Can you have friendship with such a country and such people?

No one can disagree with you Mr. ChandKSharma.The earliest Indiann leaders and people understand it the better it will be for everybody.

You are right Mr. Arun. Pakistan will never change. It seems that India will also not change. Manmohan Singh is also following the path of Nehru to Vajpayee PM club.

I can not think of one.

You are right Mr. Eshwar. USA and UK have been doing this for ages, and our leaders are happy that they been treated like a king. Both USA and UK know that Indian leaders will be satisfied with persoal honour. Nothing more is required. It is only Musharrraf they are worried about. He is a hard person to be pleased by such gimmicks. He takes every favour one can think of and then abuses both USA & UK. Shameless americans and britishers then say that he had to do it to satisfy his constituency in Pakistan, and grant him more favours.

Today's news is that India and UK have united to combat terrorism. What they were doing so far, fighting to encourage terrorism? Till when India will continue making such statements with other countries? The fact is that India is fighting its war against terrorism alone, and will continue to do so in guture. Other countries will offer only statements.

You are right. Bridges can not be build with a shovel in one hand and dynamite in the other hand.

While one may get satisfaction that he has abused someone he does not realize that his thought process is also being affected. Human capability to see good in others is undermined if one tries to see only bad things in others. Mr. badvani if you do not believe in RSS ideology then you should counter them on ideological front rather than abusing them. If abuses could defeat RSS then it would have vanished from Indian scene long back. You should also worry about your personality which may become negative if you pursue this hate process.

hardline hatderline hardest - why don't you change your mindset?

Please don't blame badvani. There are many like him who have fallen pray to false propaganda of christians and muslims. RSS want that every Indian should think and act like an Indian. As C&M are also having loyalties across the border, they are afraid that this RSS stand will pose a danger to their survival in India. And then there are congress, communisdts and others who continuously feed poison to them.

Please don't blame badvani. There are many like him who have fallen pray to the propaganda of christians and muslims. RSS ideology is sarva dharna sadbhava.They only want that every Indian should think and act like an Indian. As christians and muslims have their loyalties across the border also they feel threatened with this RSS stand. And then there are congress, communists and other self-dtyled groups to feed poison.

It is very nice to have someone who can evaluate debating skills of people. Will you please inform the criteria you have adopted for evaluation? It will sure help other to improve their debating skills.

Those who compare RSS with taliban have fallen pray to the propaganda of christians and muslims. RSS ideology is sarva dharna sadbhava.They only want that every Indian should think and act like an Indian. As christians and muslims have their loyalties across the border also they feel threatened with this RSS stand. And then there are congress, communists and other self-dtyled groups to feed poison.

Let me define it for you. Secularism is sarva dharma sadbhav. It means respect for all faiths and peaceful coexistence. The concept of secularism is only embeded in Hinduism. No other religion speaks of this concept. Some other religions talk of brotherhood but that concept is limited to the followers of that religion omly. As this concept is foreign to their religions, christians and muslims have not been able to understand it. They have twisted its meaning and have connected it with such issues which it has got nothing to do. They are in fact afraid of this concept. They feel if practiced it will pose a threat to their religions.

It is only Hinduism which has the concept of secularism - sarva dharna sadbhav.

Yes, secularism is the only solution, secularism defined as 'sarva dharna sadbhav' and not as appeasement of non-Hindus.

It is only Hinduism. There is nothing like hardline Hinduism. Yes, BJP is a political party wedded with the ideology of RSS, and I think this is the right ideology. The early Hindus realize it the better it will be for India.

Yes, BJP should embrace Hinduism and all Hindus should embrace BJP.

All political parties adapt one stands when in power and other when not in power. It is incorrect to blame only one party. As far as taking part in freedom movement is concerned, neither present-day congress nor any other party with whom it is alligning presently have participated in freedom movement. India ows its freedom to those who have died for the country and not those who claimed rewards after India became free.

You are right. If India want to compete in global market it has no other alternative except controlling its population growth, and adopting one-child normis the antyral answer.

Some people hate RSS because they do not know RSS. The think they know RSS but whatever they know has been fed in to their minds by congress, communists and others who want to survive on minority vote banks. These parties are practicing politics of hate and for decades they have been injecting this hate into the thought process of people. In this hate-environment RSS is the only hope for Hindus.

Sometime I also feel that when all political parties, media and self-styled secularists are accusing BJP of embracing Hinduism then would it not be appropriate for Hindus to embrace BJP. Those political parties who are hell bent on minority appeasement will not do any good for Hindus. Supporting and voting for such parties will be disloyalty for Hinduism. In last election BJP had extended hand of friendship to minorities but they refused to accept it. There is no use in wasting time and energy on minority vote bank.

Nice going. Let truehindu win the match.

Keep it up. You have to win the match.

You also do that. Afterall it is a match which you should win.

I am also in the game. Try to compete with me.

A match of abuse hurling is being played on NDTV board. There are no rules except that each message should have at least one abuse for other users, their religion, and also those who are not playing the match. Players are required to count their abuses and the user scoring maximum abuses will be named Abuse-Champion.

I apologise to all those MB users who took time to engage in abuse hurling under the topic 'Code of conduct'. I was asking too much from you fellows. Please continue with your favourite passtime.

Khel main haar jeet to lagi rehti hai, lekin India ka is tarah haarna har Indian ko takleef deta hai. Aapka gussa justified hai. Jaroorat is baat ki hai ki khel ko kis tarah sudhaara jaye. Ek sahi leadership jaroori hai, har level par - sarkaar, cricket board, coach, players. Har jagah aise log hone chhahiye jo khel ko aur usse related sab problems ko samajhtey ho, aur bina kisi bhed bhaav ke unka samadhaan nikaal sakte ho.

Hey MB users, let us agree to a code of conduct: a) No personal abuses; b) No abusing of each other's faith and their religious Icons; c) No abusing those who are not taking part in debate on this board. You may disagree with others' views, but post your views in a decent manner. I declare that I will abide by this code of conduct.

Thanks

Are liars genuine and not-genuine?

Yes, Mr. voice_india. I accept God as makhanchor. As His follower I am also a chor. This is my relationship with my God.

But Mr. voice_india, how can your Allah bless me? I am a Hindu, a non-believer.

Mr. Facts raised a question about word shudra being used in Hindu religious books, The question has been answered by another user on the board. As it was addressed to me I would also like to explain. The word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

You really have a peculiar way of looking at things, Mr. voice_india. Accept my congratulations on Allah always blessing you. May be some day he will correct your way of thinking also.

A question was put by Mr. facts and was answered by a MBuser. I will also likr to explain the meaning of word 'shudra'. The word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identify these aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

Thanks for answering question of Mr. facts. However I will also like to explain. Yes, shudra is a word used in Hindu religious books. It is right that the word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

Mr. Facts, your question has already been answered by another MB user. Let me also explain - the word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

Your question has been answered by another MB user. Let me also explain - the word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

Mr. simple-truth has answered your question. Let me also explain - the word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

It is a good habit to read newspapers. But it is an equally bad habit to form opinion without thinking and then start posting messages. Your hate for Hindus is so intense that that you will post a hate message on any issue. A person makes predictions about the outcome of a cricket match, and you start deciding who is a deshdrohi. Come out of this hate and behave like a normal human being. May your Allah bless you.

Good morning to all and a very good morning to rumor-monger. Your's is a very short message but contains many misconceptions. One, there is no term 'dalit' in any Hindu religious book. Second, there is no concept of untouchability in Hinduism. However, it is a fact that some people have been practicing untouchability, but it was not sanctioned by religion. The aim was to prove oneself superior to others, and some people misused religion for this anti-human practice. Such undersirable practices are prevalent in all socities. Hindu society has always been progressive, and at different times many social reformers have worked to remove such problems. Those who left Hinduism and converted to Islam or Christianity did it by disowning Hinduism. If they had considered Hinduism as their religion and fought against the injustice things would have been different. It is never too late for homecoming. Why don't you also try it?

Yes,in some cases force can change, as has happened with your forefathers. But there are martyrs, like Guru Gobind Singh Ji's two sons who gave their life but did not change their faith.

Very nice compliments - 'narrow minded,ignorant fascist nut'. But I am sorry I cannot accept them. Returned with thanks.

No, it is a fact, my dear Facts.

These are Islamic definitions of 'being merciful' and 'most compassionate' - 'roasted in the boiling oil by Allah'. You will not find then in any dictionary but only in Quran.

You are wrong christian cowboy. People change religion either under fear of death or for some monetary or other gains. But why I am telling you all this? You know it as your forefathers have changed their religion to evade death and to get some easy money. A peson who is not loyal to his born faith can not get any respect and equality in society. It is only wasting a life on borrowed faith.

Very interesting. laloo, aalloo, bhaloo - criminals,terrorrists,murderers,looters - By any chance do you write nursury poems?

You have very interesting views Mr. nspremi.

People jump and dance when celenrating. It is a normal human reaction when somebody is happy and enjpying the festivals. One who sulks can not understand this. Hey Tammali, come out of thisnegative mindset and be positive. Then you yourself will start jumping with joy.

Here again your approach is negative. Truth is not bitter but sweet. Truth always wins. In fact God has many names and Truth is one such name.

You have studied what manuvadis are doing and have commented on it. Now what have you studied about what mullahs are doing and what bible are doing?

It is nice for you to say that your festival and religion should not prevent others right to live. By the way what is your religion?

Let some people politicise the festivals. Why should you bother? You enjoy your festival. And don't nurse misplaced concerns. Ganpati will not be confused.

No body can take custody of festivals. Festivals bring joy and break the monotony of day-to-day life. Forget about RSS/ BJP/ Bajrang Dal/ VHP and Shiv Sena & Hindu festivals and enjoy your eid. If you can develop a positive attitude towards life then every day will be a eid for you.

I am not blaming any human being. But why should you worry? The message was not addressed to you.

Rating this message as informative is really funny.

Some people have nothing positive to offer. This tammali fellow is another virus on the board.

Your posts are so illogical that you should not have an ID voice_india.

A virus attacking the board with an ID similar to one already existing but with change in spelling. This is the true colour of anti-India muslims.

The right message should read as follows: " Muslim appeasers and traitors of Hindu faith, filled with hatred, can never stand difference of opinions. They believe that by shouting, yelling , abusing, making illogical arguments ..would drown the sane voice of secular, tolerant Hindus. But they are saddly mistaken. Secuclar Hindus are getting more stronger and thier convictions gets stronger with every criticism agaisnt them. Tolerant and seuclar Hindus have battles to fight agaisnt intolerant and appeased minorities and also intolerant traitors of Hindu faith."

Trye. A large section of muslims living in India are dreaming of another pakistan in India. Their dream has suffered a jolt after Gujrat riots. They never thought that Hindus can also cross the limits of tolerance. It has terrified them, and that is why so much hue and cry is being raised. Muslim appeasers and traitors of Hindu faith are also terrified.

If only congress had joined Uma Bharati's yatra, then the scenerio would have been different. For Indian people would have been it as a joint effort of Indian political parties to glorify the Tiranga. But congress decided to oppose it terming it as an election stunt. It is unfortunate that ruling party is having a negative mindset even on issues of national pride.All people with right thinking will consider this yatra a positive milestone in the history of India.

Lalloo calls Advani an absconder and mulls term it as a challenge to BJP. No body thinks logically that such a statement should be considered anti-national and Lalloo should be prosecuted. Accusing ex-Deputy PM of India being involved in murder conspiracy of a leader of an enemy state is not being taken serious note of. Only a paki or an ISI agent will talk like this.

Sometimes I also feel that Hindus have paid a heavy price for their tolerance. Independent India had a history of Hindu-Muslim riots. In these riots, both Hindus and muslims suffered. But whenever number of muslim victims was more a loy of hue and cry was raised. Opposite to this, if Hindu victims were more no body was disturbed. Only Hindus were killed in Godhra, but congress and communists demanded arrest of leaders of Hindu organizations. Both Hindus and muslims were killed in Gujrat riots, but they are talking only of muslim victims and not of Hindu victims. It is one case where Hindus came out of this tolerance syndrome and reacted to the killings of fellow Hindus. All the forces have ganged up against Hindus, be it a political party, an activist group, NHRC or SC.

It is wrong to rate amitmehraa's message as offensive. The message only contains what Jinnah and Al Beruni said. By rating this message as offensive, one is rating as offensive the statements of Jinnah and Al Beruni. The contents of the message are thought provoking.Can Muslims and Hindus really live together in peace when they differ in every thought and practice?

Mr. sanjay from Mumbai, if Shiv Sena considers itself to be sole guardian of Hindus, why should you take it as an offence? You are a Hindu and have full freedom, accept it or don't accept it. You yourself can take up cause of Hindus. Leave this negative attitude. It kills individuality and creativity. Have you realised that your most of the time and energy are being wasted in only criticising those whom you dislike? Save this time andenergy and use it for productive purposes.

UN General Assembly Resolution affirms, "We believe that the objective of family planning is the enrichment of human life, not its restriction, that family planning, by assuring greater opportunity to each person, frees man to attain his individual dignity and reach his full potential....family planning is in the vital interest of both the nation and the family."

You are doing well Zafina. Soon you will become champion-user for posting only hate messages.

Zafina,you seem to be new on the board. It is unfortunate that you are also starting with posting hate messages.

Is MMS the first PM who had said that corruption should be removed in judiciary and police? If corruption could be removed by words then India would have been zero-corruption state. And what about corruption in the government, where icons of corruption are sitting in council of ministers headed by MMS himself. God will bless him and nation will be with him if he removes all corrupt ministers from the ministry.

Ordering another probe when a probe is already going on is a very bad management decision. If any aspect was missing in the existing probe's scope then the scope should have been enlarged rather than ordering an additional probe. Such probes do not come free. Who will pay the cost of the additional probe, Lalloo or MMS?

Lalloo said that Amar Singh is a dalal of big industrial houses. In reply Amar Singh said that Laluji loves to hobnob with criminals, murderers and gangsters and promote their business interests. Promoting business interests of criminals, murderers and gnagsters is also dalali. Lalloo is something more. He is an ISI agent and a beef smuggler

No Mr. bharatvasi, I am not behind english media but in front of them calling them newssellers. Sometime back there was a debate on this issue and one editor of a large circulation english daily has said that english news editors are prostitutes. You give them money and they will write editorials on you or any other person of your choice, and in any form you want.

Cowboy, enemy of Indian Nation, it is not a challenge but anti-India tirade of Lallo, an ISI agent.

Hey you chrisyian cowboy, descendent of traitors of born faith, wasting life on borrowed faith are talking which only a Paki will talk. Any Indian calling ex-DPM of India an absconder for involvement in a conspiracy to kill a leader of an enemy state, is himself an enemy of Indian nation. Tomorrow, for some gain, you and your lalloo will call Indian soldiers absconders for killing paki soldiers. Lalloo is not loyal to India and should be tried for treason and people like you should be tried along with him.

Another rumor by rumor-monger. Lalloo is behaving like an agent of ISI, a spokesman of paki government, a beef supplier to Bangladesh.

Yeh Lalloo is surely out for something, but it is not what people are thinking - secularism, love for downrodden and blah blah blah .. He is after the chair of Prime Minister. He also knows that being CM of Bihar or a minister in central government is one thing and becoming PM is another matter. PM represents the entire country in the world forum. Indian people will never accept Lalloo as PM. For this he has a plan to seek outside support. He has already revived a paki allegation of Advani being involved in conspiracy to kill a paki leader. He has lifted the ban on cow movement on trains to facilitate smuggling of cows to Bangladesh. The suspicion is growing that he has been recruited by ISI as its agent in India. The price of ISI support could be gifting J&K to pakistan.

Why are you feeling offended Mr. Bharatvasi? Are you one from English media?

I am inclined to agree with you. With so many terrorist and their congi supporters operating in Mumbai the Marathaland would certainly have become another J&K. Thakre and his army are preventing it from becoming a muslim majority state.

Your concern is misplaced. Think logically Mr. Ramesh and you will agree with me.

Not only Shiv sena but any party will lose if there is infighting.

Voters in Maharashtra should learn from the grave mistake Indian people committed in last elections by giving a fractured verdict. The verdict was manipulated by congress at center and in Karnataka. This time a clear mandate should be given to BJP + SS alliance. Under no circumstances Cong-NCP alliance should never be allowed to return to power.

The rumor of the day - rumor-monger is a kind hearted Indian. It seems that you are always busy with reading Panchjanya. Yet in another message you say that you will not like to read Panchjanya. Beside being a rumor monger you are also a liar. Which one of the two is a rumor?

Hey rumor-monger, you are a great rumor monger, the undisputed champion of all rumor mongers across the world. Here you say that you do not wanna spoil yourself by reading panchjanya, but under another post you have said that you read Panchjanya for BJP-dacoits. Is this message a rumor or the other message was a rumor?

Hey cowboy wasting your life on borrowed faith? You have no moral right to talk about Hindus and their faith. But if your forefathers had any moral they would not have convereted to christianity, and you would not be wasting your life abusing Hindus and their faith.

Hey voice_india, are you also a descendent of traitors of their born faith? They came in this world as Hindus but died as muslims or christians. Wasted entire life on borrowed faith.

Only a person with illogical thinking will talk like this. Each religion has its own myths. Bible is full of myths. The myths are written to make people believe. But you will not understand O descendent of traitors of born faith. Shame on your forefathers and you, converting to christianity for fear of death and some monetary gains. Now when you have become christian why don't you practice your borrowed faith? Stop posting messages about Hindus and Hinduism.

Hey rumor-monger, your reaction is natural. Every rumor monger believes that what he is saying is plain truth. It is in his blood.A rumor monger is made like that. Sorry pal but this is the reality. Don't feel bad. Read Panchjanya with respect. It will help you in converting to a normal person.

And what other services you are providing to your BJP-dacoits?

Hey rumor-monger, don't spread rumors on this board.

When did you last read it?

A rumor monger not only in ID but in real life also.

Why are you reading Panchjanya? It is only for those Indians who are loyal to India.

Double-speak is a typical congress culture. MMS will talk sense but his actions are opposite to whathe says. Poor fellow, has lost his individualism by working under the shadow of Sonia.

Congratulations for giving a right answer to your own question. The difference is that congress is a traitor where pakis are not. Paki are loyal to their country, but congress is not loyal to India.

This fellow Prasad may have many IDs, but he can not change his family history. He is a descendent of those Hindus who were traitors to their born faith, converting to Islam for fear of death and some monetary gains. It is in his blood. Sometime he will post with a Hindu name and sometime with a christian name. But the contents will always be same - full of hate for Hindus and their faith and disloyalty to Indian Nation.

Bad Vani wrote a nice message - truth prevails, humanity prevails. But then was taken over by hate for RSS and gave an abusive heading to the message. Is bad vani is helpless and cannot come outof hate syndrome?

To settle political issues with BJP, congress raised Hubli case. And what was the issue - BJP was asking for removal of tainted ministers from the council of ministers. The reply of congress to this was disrespect to Tiranga. Now congress is doing damage control over disrespect shown to National Anthem. In its hate for Modi and his Gujrat, congress deleted word Gujrat itself from National Anthem. What congress is up to? Does it have a relation with a non-Hindu and a foreigner heading congress?

NIL

'Now what'is nickname of muslim prasad.

No right thinking person will disagree with you. Congress indeed has become a liability on the country. It has become a party of Jaichands of 21st century. MKG rightly suggested that congress should be disbanded after India became free. India would have been a different country if his sugeestion was accepted.

Your hate for khaki mickers seem to have overtaken your thought process. Now Mr. Prasad you cannot think anything other than khaki nockers. Leave the board for sometime, pray to your Allah. He will give you peace.

No Mr. Prasad you can't be a Hindu. There is so much hate in your posts. Some of your posts are anti-Hindu and anti-HInduism. You are a muslim as only a muslim living in India can have so much hate for Hindus and their faith.

Your credentials are doubtful. You go by an ID Prasad, a Hindu name, but talk like a muslim. As a majority of muslims living in India are not loyal to this country, you will naturally oppose POTA like laws. Congress and its opportunist calition partners have taken this decsion simply to appease muslims like you.

Muslims living in India are descendents of those Namakharaam Hindus who converted to Islam due to fear of death or some monetary gains. Only traitors will be born to traitors of their own faith.

UPA government has taken a wrong decision for withdrawing POTA. Simply because politicians use it as a tool to settle political scores, it does not lessen its need. Congress should have created a national consensus amongst political parties not to misuse it, rather than withdrawing it. Do common people not have any right to feel secure and live without any threat to their lives? They do not have commandoes to protect them. Will every decsion in India be taken by keeping in mind the interest only of politicians?

Who are you Prasad, a Hindu or a muslim (traitor to your born faith)?

Please don't treat such a serious matter so casually. Presence of a mole in the central government is a security risk for the country?

When a minister in central government raises the issue of conspiracy of the murder of a leader of enemy country and says that India's ex-DPM is involved and is absconding, it raises a doubt about his integrity. Has the minister been recruited by ISI to work as its agent in India? Suppose it is true then Indian cabinet is having a mole. Should UPA government not order an inquiry? Why Sonia led congress is keeping silent on such a sensitive matter?

Which BJP ruled state is next?

A person of foreign origin will always be a suspect of insulting Tiranga and National Anthem. It is unfortunate that such a person is holding a highly powerful posiyion. Shame on impotent congressmen.

Was it an inadvertent omission or a deliberate act to insult National Anthem? Kerala CM says that he has inquired and found that it was an inadvertent mistake and has been corrected. He has only his word. Will it not be proper to order an independent investigation? Afterall congress is investigating every act of NDA government. Let it investigate one of its own action also.

India, as a nation, needs POTA like laws. Need of such laws does not disappear if political parties use them as a tool for settling political scores.

Like it has manipulated peoples' verdict in its favour, congress has mainpulated census figures by keeping out a sizable percentage of muslims out of muslim population. What else can be expected from this champion of manipulators? Nehru mainpulated MKG and became PM on the dead bodies of Indians who gave their life for India's freedom and also those who were killed in post-partition riots. His legacy is on in the form of muslim appeasement.

A spokesman of Muslim Personal Law Board has said that population growth is a socio-economic issue. It has nothing to do with religion. Muslims will continue to remain a burden for India till they start looking at family planning as a tool to control population growth.

Fact is a one-track mind tutored by a cunning mullah. He does not realize that mullah has made a fool of him, and has made a non-believer out of him. Fool fact has insulted Allah by comparing HIM with someone less great. Now fact is doomed for life and also after that.

You have committed a sin by comparing Allah with someone who is not great as Allah. You will live a life of disgrace and after death you will go to hell.

He has also been recruited by ISI to work as their agent in India. Today he has accused Advani of conspiracy to kill a pakistani leader. Tomorrow he will accuse our soldiers for killing pakistani terrorists.

Different people call HIM by different names. There is nothing like being greatest as HE is the only one. When you say greatest then there must be someone who is less great. Such thinking is against HIM.

Being in and out of power is a part of democracy. We Indians should be proud of such peaceful transition of power. It is the strength of Indian democracy. Please don't add a bitter taste by using abusive language.

Congress and other political parties have agreed on a common minimum programme for governance of India. BJP led opposition alliance also have their CMP. These CMPs are made with larger interests of concerned political parties in mind and national interests take a back seat. Because of this a tendency is growing to waste lot of time and resources in investigating actions of the previous governments. This negative attitude should be discouraged. All political parties, whether in power or opposition, should put national interests in the forefront and agree on a CMP. They should then work to achieve the aims & objectives set in the CMP. This will create a single national purpose and avoid wastage of time and resources in unnecessary probes and disruption of parliament. Afterall nation building is a team work and every political party claims that it is committed to it..

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Musalmaans living in India are decendents of traitors of their born faith, who converted to Islam for fear of death and some monetary gains. Majority of them are a liability for India and an increasing drain on natural resources. They are the cause of jehadi violance in India.

Christians living in India are decendents of traitors to their born faith, who converted to christianity for fear of death and some monetary gains. Majority of them (especially those on this MB) are also a disgrace to their adopted faith.

Central government should investigate why Lalloo has raised the issue of conspiracy to kill Jinnah and associate Advani with it. Lalloo seems to be acting as ISI agent in India.

Lalloo has raised the issue of conspiracy to kill Jinnah and linked Advani to it. Only a pakistani will associate ex-Indian-DPM with a conspiracy to kill a pakistani leader. But Lalloo is an Indian, so why is he doing it? Is he a mole in Indian government? Has he been recruited by ISI during his last visit to pakistan? This aspect is related to security of India and should be investigated by central government and security agencies.

Why are you wasting your talent on this MB? You have such a nice flare of writing which can be used by congress and leftists for writing text books for children.

A one-track hate message from a one-track mind full of hate.

You have an extraordinary command on using abusive words in any message on any topic. What did you do - PhD, MBA, Bachelor Degree?

You must be having a large number of children, or else why should you feel offended with one-child norm?

You are talking of India adopting one-child norm, whereas mullahs are not even ready to accept two-child norm.

With his statement about Advani being an international absconder for being a party in conspiracy to kill Jinnah, Lalloo has become a security risk. Only a paki agent will level such charge against Ex-DPM of India. Has Lalloo been recruited by ISI during his last visit to Pakistan? Whether he is a mole in Indian givernment should be investigated, and in the meantime he should be isolated from all government work.

The issue of Advani being involved in a conspiracy to kill Jinnah was raised by Paki dictator to counter Indian government's insistence to hand over listed terrorists to India for their crimes. Everybody knew that there was no substance in this charge. Now Lalloo has raised this issue. To what extent this man can go? Only a Paki agent can speak like this. May be he has been recruited by ISI when he visited Pakistan and was very popular there. Paki PM has also praised him. It would be advisable for PM and Indian security agencies to investigate his credentials as a Paki mole in Indian government.

With your illogical thinking BJP is sure to loose at least your one vote, if you are a voter in Mumbai.

A hope was raised by the statement of Vice-president that board was ready to discuss family planning. But mullahs have again dragged the board to square one. These mullahs will never allow a large section of muslims to join national mainstream. This section it seems will continue to remain a liability on national resources, and will never convert in to assets. One mullah says that family planning is not Islamic. Other mullah says that there is no place for family planning in Islam. Yet another mullah says that the board will be better off talking about development and education rather than family planning. But this mullah is such an idiot that he does not realize that with a huge population drain on national resources how development will be possible, and with this negative mentality how education will help. Bur still there is some hope. A saner voice says that population growth is a socio-ecinomic problem for the entire country - it is not a religious issue. Let us hope these mullahs understand it and stop looking at every thing from their narrow religious thinking.

Muslim board is back to square one. These mullahs are a curse on Islam and the entire humanity. One mullah says that family planning is not islamic. Other mullah says that there is no place for family planning in Islam. Yet another mullah says that board will be better off talking about development and education rather than family planning. These one track minds do not understand that development and education are not possible if population is not controlled. But there is still hope. Board spokesman says that population growth is a socio economic problem for the entire country - it is not a religious issue. But will these mullahs will ever understand it? How can a country afford such alarming population growth? And how it will be controlled if mullahs see it only from religious point of view? The saner voices in muslim community should keep up their efforts. All best wishes to them.

Some people have nothing positive to offer.

Does it mean that muslims in India are second or third grade muslims? Then pakistanis are right in considering a section of muslims (who ran to pakistan after partition) as second grade muslims. It is really funny that congress is appeasing them when their own prophet considers them third grade muslims.

If they become literate and start thinking logically, as per mullah they will loose love of Allah and many young women waiting for them in jannat.

It looks as though Hitler is speaking.

A 4th standard message from an imposter disguised as one from across the border.

And this makes Islam a religion of violance, as also seen throuhout the world in the form of jehadi terrorism.

"Keep on posting such messages. Your Allah will be very pleased with you and reserve one young woman for you in jannat for each message." Has not your mullah promised you this?

Yes, let us end this discussion. You are a one track mind. But an advice, buy a copy of the book and read it. There is no harm in spending money to read other's views also. Afterall it will be nothing in comparison to many young women you have been promised to have in Jannat.

Allow me to differ with your views. Political parties use such issues to win votes. Congress also indulges in such practices. A smart political party is that which converts such issues in its favour. Congress gave this issue to BJP, and BJP is trying to exploit it in their favour. Now instead of crticising BJP, congress should try to convert the issue in its favour. It can be done but for that congress will ahve to come out of its hate-BJP mentality. Congress should join Tiranga Yatra by saying that it is an issue which is above party politics and should not be confined to one party. It should say that congress has full respect for Tiranga and will join the Yatra on the same platform of BJP. Today Uma Bharati is saying all sort of things about congress. Now imagine when congress leaders are also present on the platform, will she be able to crticise them on this issue of showing disrespect to Tiranga? Also the yatra will no more remain an issue but will become a festival for people of India. Everybody will be a gainer. It is a win-win situation. Are there any takers?

Are you an idiot? You asked me to give you the name of the muslim, whom you call unknown muslim. I gave you his name and also the name of his book. But now you want me to post you the interpretation of that nuslim. His interpretation is that Quran through this verse prohibits muslims from ruining the places of worship. Now you tell me, with your one track mind, whether you agree with this interpretation or not. And don't behave in an arrogant manner. You say that if I do not post my reply in five minutes then you will conclude that I have posted a lie. Showcat you need to learn manners of participating in a decent debate.

Yes, I can explain why I use betterlife as my ID. It is a part of the name of my NGO, "Betterlife For All". It is a part of my e-mail ID. It is also the part of name of my NGO's website. My NGO believes that every Indian should have betterlife. I am using this same ID on other discussion boards also. You say that showcat is a fancy name. I thibk Shaukat is a bettername, but anyway that is your prerogative. Now, have you ever thought that why your earlier ID was deleted by the moderator? Keep on harping that my lies have been exposed, if it gives you any pleasure.

Who has allowed you to marry four women, Allah or your mullah? I think it is mullah. Showcat, this mullah is making a fool of muslims like you. Unsuspecting muslims marry four women and live in inhuman conditions, as they can not earn enough to provide them a decent quality of life. Also they produce more children and create huge liability on national resources. You are feeling proud of this. Shame on you.

You passed a judgement on Dr. Kalam merely on this thinking that he might not be offering prayers. This is the negative complex muslims like you are suffering from. And under this complex you people go to the extent of expressing anti-national views and start supporting jehadi terrorism. Shame on you.

You changed your real name Shaukat to Showcat for posting messages on this board. You must be having some compulsive reasons for this change? Now you have again changed your ID to showcatreturns. There must be some compulsive reason for this change also? You are proving to be a frequent name changer. I wonder why?

Go to a bookshop and ask for the recently published book of Dr. Rafiq Zakaria - 'Indian muslims: where have they gone wrong?' But in the meantime will you post your interpretation of this Quran verse, whether it prohibits ruining places of worship or not?

Congratulations showcat. You have written some portion in your message after real soul searching. The truth has come out that you are not an authority on Islam, that you don't claim to have complete knowledge of Islam, and that you are learning. Now would it not be advisable if you learn correctly, and interpret Quran verses the way they should be interpreted, and as desired by Allah. Islam is a religion of peace. Take it a guiding principle. And think twice before passing judgement on great devout muslims like Dr. Kalam.

OK, you have posted actual translation. Now, let the great scholar showcat interpret it.

What is your real name, showcat?

You are a gone case. You can not reform. You have a one track mimd. Dr. Zakaria is a scholar recognized by all. If you want me to trust your interpretation of Quran verses against his interpretation, then you are also a fool. And only a fool will take objection to calling Dr. Kalam a devout muslim.

Quran is no more in the hands of muslims, it has gone to their heads. With no offence meant, I sometime wonder the sort of book Quran is. It tells its followers to lead a life as inhumans in their real life, and promises them young women in an imaginary jannat.

So the enemy of Indian state is again here to pollute the board. OK, I have explained once, let me explain again. The interpretation of Quran verse, which you call a lie, is not mine. It is the interpretation given by one of your fellow muslim. If you have any issue on this interpretation you will have to go out of the board and approach him.

I equally wonder and share your views. Same thing with NHRC. These institutions have reserved a copyright to feel grief only when muslims are the victims. They have no time and inclination to feel grief for Hindu victims. While sitting in Delhi they see everything very clearly in far off Gujrat but they are blind to what has happened in Delhi under their nose. I also wonder what will happen if Maharashtra HC also gives a verdict similar to Gujrat HC. Will SC trandfer the case to a court in Pakistan, and request Pakistan government to appoint a public presecuter and Pakistan police to investigate the riot cases in Gujrat?

I am a little confused here. Who uttered these ugly words contained in first sentence of your post, Gurumurthy or Aiyer? Anyway as far as I am concerned I will call such a person a traitor to his born faith and not a secular person. Being seclar means respecting other faiths and not abandoning one's own faith to earn appreciation or some monetary gain. Such a person is a disgrace to his born faith, to society and human mankind.

When I reffered to educated muslims, I was having the name of Dr. Rafiq Zakaria in my mind and muslims like him. As far as this showcat fellow is concerned he is a traitor and enemy of Indian state. He is the right candidate for POTA. There is another fellow who goes by ID saffron_free_india whi deserves to be detained under POTA. Yes, you are right that congress government and other anti-Hindu politicians like Lalloo are also responsible for keeping muslims away from joining national mainstream. Their policies of muslim appeasement have not harmed only social fabric of Indian society but muslims themselves.

Yes, you are right. The unnatural and partisan zeal shown by NHRC, SC and some self-styled secular activist groups creates a suspicion that it might be a conspiracy to project India, Hindus, State judiciary, Police and Administration in a bad light before the world. Foreign tours undertaken by Sonia and other congress leaders after Gujrat riots seem to be a part of this conspiracy. Recent step in this direction is the unnecessary and illegal probe in Gogdra fire to get a doctored report. This is where I appreciate the strength of character of Modi who, inspite of so much pressure from these conspirators and also from within his own party, stand tall and refuses to buckle down.

I will agree with you that after independence behaviour of muslims in India has not inspired confidence in their willingness to join national mainstream. I also agree that whenever a progressive move was undertaken by any government the mullahs and maulvis have opposed it. But we must accept that a shift , though very mild, is noe visible in educated muslims and it is being expressed in such initiatives. All sections of Indian society should encourage this shift in muslim thought process. If the shift is genuine than it will be good for the country. If it is false then nothing can be done about it. India will continue to suffer under the huge liability of a large section of its population.

Sometime I feel very dipressed on the way the highest juducial authority of India is working. I try to dispel my fears but the partisan and anti-Hindu behaviour of some SC judges makes me sad.

Many recent decisions of SC have confused the common people. They see a clear paerisan attitude in these decsions. It is really unfortunate.

During his visit to Pakistan, perhaps Lalloo was also briefed to act as Pakistan's spokesman in India. His first act is calling Advani an international absconder for being a part of conspiracy to kill Jannah. Only a pakistani will talk in this manner.

But I will like to appreciate the initiative taken by Muslim Personal Law Board to discuss the issue of family planning and literacy. I will also urge all sections not to politicise the issue. Let us wait and have full faith in the wisdom of the people in the board.

I think SC advised the people to hoist the Flag in a manner that it should be disrespectful. Perhaps SC now wants a detailed code. Let us see what comes out of it.

Abdul04 gave a pious start to today's debate, but you offered only filth. It is right that one gives what he has. Even Agni could not purify you. Rajsthan is a land of patriots, but you are a disgrace.

Gujrat trial is a conspiracy to project Hindus and India in a bad light. Through this trial, Indian judiciary at state level is also being discredited, alongwith a democratically elected government and administration.

After looking at the title of the message I thought it was a joke. But after reading the message a thought process started. If the purpose of the university is same as mentioned in the message then how come some Indian people have not realized the danger and continue to idolize Lalloo? Indian media, leftists and Sonia's congress are also idolizing him. There is hardly a day when he is not in the news, be it a newspaper or TV. Even after he made a mockery of democracy by installing his wife as CM of Bihar, his admirers are not waking up to the danger. Let us wait for the result of the study being carried out by the university.

Gaining media importance and remaining in news has overtaken everybody including SC Judges.

If I remember correctly SC had already given a decision about use of National Flag in a case filed by a citizen asserting his right to display the Flag.

I will agree with you that it is only people who have weak faith in their religion gets converted to other religion and prove themselves traitor of their born faith. You are a living example of such people. You are mentally oppressed. You behave like dirt. You take pride in anti-national views and acts. You are a traitor all the way.

Are you ashamed of your personal identity?

If what you say is right then christianity has failed in your case. You have remained uncultured, uneducated, write wrong english and roam naked on the board without any garb of decency.

No christian_cowboy, it is not your right introduction. You are a traitor to your born faith. You are a hater and a disgrace to human society. You are not loyal to India.

Forget about BJP, talk about yourself. Are you one of those Hindus who were traitor to their born faith, and converted to christianity for fear of death or some monetary gains?

Yes, this muslim fellow will not understand. Such things are beyond his mental comprehenson. And how one can expect it from him, a product of madarsa reading only Quran, no science, no commerce, no nothing good?

TRS Chief has been taken for ride by congress. He considered himself very intelligent but congress ahs made a fool of him. Now congress is warning to review coalition arrangement with his party.

Poor Mulayam, yes indeed, but poor by akal not money. He was rebuked by Sonia and now by mullahs. But will he learn any lessons and stop appeasing muslims for their votes? Anyway thanks for pointing out the staory.

I salute you Mr. Simpletruth.

Do you want to add anything else to your joke of the month - christian_cowboy and healthy discussions?

christian_cowboy and healthy discussions? Hey MB users shall we call it the joke of the month?

christian_cowboy, will you call yourself civilized and loyal to India? What is the opinion of other MB users on this?

christian_cowboy calls himself a saner person. Do MB users agree to this?

Mullahs have really made a bad fool of you. Living like non-humans in life and dreaming of young women after death.

It will be very good if muslims follow Islam in both letter and spirit. Islam means peace. Do you agree or disagree on this also?

If anybody is enjoying a lavish life on the cost of dalits, he is not even a human being what to talk of being brahmin or else. I enjoy my life on my hard work. There will be no one to claim that I live on his cost. Have a positive attitude saffron_free_india. Don't waste time and energy on hate. Use it to develop yourself. You also say that if all dalits unite and make BSP stronger then where will we go. We are Hindus and India is our country. We try to live in peaceful co-existence with others, and this is what we will always do.

Posting a reply just for the sake of giving some reply. Mr. voice_india please try to understand the message in letter and spirit and then compose a decent reply expressing your views. Debate on the board is not a fight which one has to win somehow. The message has raised a good point about exploitation of people by political parties.

You will be surprised to know that in our family (what you call upper csate Hindus) there are such cases where a son or daughter of the family were married in families (which you call lower castes Hindus). And the credit goes to right education, a clean mind and a positive attitude towards life and other fellow human beings.

Your reaction to this message is disappointing, Mr. saffron_free_india. The post contains a very clear interpretation on one aspect of caste system. Post your views as you understand the caste system and carry forward the debate in a decent manner.

What is there in the message to earn such an offensive reply? Mr. saffron_free_india please read the message carefully without any prejudice and you will appreciate. The message tells you what and how caste system was developed.

A nice informative message which will really clear many wrong notions about caste system. Thanks.

It is really great that so many users on this board are trying to prove themselves dalits. When being dalit has become such a matter of pride then what grievance can dalits have?

Very nice saffron_free_india. Are you a dalit? If yes then prove yourself a dalit. Another thing, if a brahmin is calling himself dalit why should you feel offended.

I don't know what you mean by 'if you have guts'. I thought we were engaged in a decent debate, and a decent debate needs knowledge, information, positive attitude and a clean mind. It does not require guts. Also no decent debate is for exposing this or that person. A debate is an exchange of views. You seem to consider this debate a fight, and if it is so then I am not a party to this debate.

Why have you returned from Spain, did they not like you? You were very proud that you take people head-on.

Mullahs are making a fool of you. No young women are waiting for you. In the false hope of getting young women you are now living like non-humans. Ek kahavat hai, 'dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka'.

You seem offended by the message asking muslims to leave the path of jehadi terrorism. Do you want to leave that path and join national mainstream or not?

Hey christian cowboy from USA, you are wasting lot of time and energy on this board. Now it is time to introduce yourself.

There is every possibility that laden is hiding in Pakistan and Pakistan is hiding this fact from Americans. Friendship between Pakistan and USA is not based on principles but on 'what I can extract from you without giving up anything' principle. It is a tug-of-war not friendship.

Your ID christian_cowboy (usa) means what? Are you an american residing in USA, or an imposter going under this disguised ID posting hate messages on the board? At least I should know who is asking me to convert to christianity. Only then it will be possible for me to consider your prposal.

Now you are showing your education.

But what you have quoted means that places of worship should not be ruined. Are you so blind with hatred for Hindus that can't even interpret it correctly? You have earned the anger of Allah and will spend remaining days of your life in disgrace.

How many times will you prove that you are a traitor? You eat food of India, drink water of India, breathe air of India, but are not loyal to India. You may have views different from BJP, you may hate them, but by feeling proud on the insult of Indian ministers (representing India)by foreigners you have committed a crime against the country. Shame on you. Chullu bhar pani main doob maro.

Whether one is educated or not is not proved by words but by behaviour. A person who insults his guests is not a normal human being. There is nothing great in insulting others. The greatness is in respecting somebody. See the greatness of our leaders. They were insulted but kept quiet so that their host is not embarassed. This is India and this is being Indian. But as a egoist christian you will not understand this basic principle of human behaviour. This is beyond your mental comprehenson. And see the greatness of being an Indian. Our George is a christian by faith but an Indian. He behaved as a true Indian although he was insulted by his christian hosts.

You have written so many words, but have not mentioned whether Quran prohibits ruining of other places of worship or encourages it. Have you heard the name of Dr. Rafiq Zakaria? Have you heard the name of his recent book - 'Indian Muslims: where have they gone wrong?'? Read the book and apologise to Allah. Muslims like you are a curse on muslim community and the world. There is nothing for you but disgrace in this world, and in the world to come, an exceeding torment.

Yes, this incident is certainly a matter of shame for Christian Bush and America, who claim to be educated persons but do not behave like even normal human beings.

It is a good suggestion. To educate muslims about the danger of overpopulation, young muslim boys and girls should form NGO. I am calling it a muslim NGO because if Hindus do it they will be criticized and termed as communal interferring in personal matters of muslim community.

You are right. A large section of muslims are a liability not only on Hindu community but on the entire nation.

Tainted ministers have proved themselves a liability for congress. Now is the turn of nonperforming ministers. CPI has asked MMS to ask these ministers to perform or sack them. The champion is Shivraj Patil. This man was rejected by the people, but after pleasing Sonia became a minister. Sonia has over ruled the decision of the people. But now Patil has proved himself a misfit and a liability, not only for congress but entire UPA government. Now what MMS will do? He defended tainted ministers. Will he now defend nonperforming ministers?

Term 'super PM' is used in relation to unconstitutional power center operating from 10, Janpath. Try to analyze BJP leaders' remarks in this perspective. If you honestly analyze the situation then you will edit last sentence of your message to -"Shame on congress's cheap politics".

Younger muslim boys and girls will do it. The only problem is that mullahs and congress will continue poisoning their minds.

I agree with you that reopening of Hubli case was politically motivated. Now when BJP has turned it in their favour congress and other self-declared secularists are crying.

Why do you talk of indecent phrases used by BJP only? Please talk of indecent phrases used by Lallo, Arjun and Aiyer also. Please also talk of indecent behaviour of Manmohan Singh with opposition leaders.

You are right. Positive thinking Indians have always paid for the crimes of congress, communists and other self-declared secularists. Muslim appeasement has always harmed India, but these anti-national parties are not bothered about it. In coming five years India will be harmed in many ways by these power-hungry politicians. Five percent reservation for muslims, huge financial grants for muslims madarsas in the guise of education grant, changing of history books are only the start of an anti-India, anti-Hindu campaign.

You have mentioned babri in your message. It will be interesting to know that verse 114 of the Quran (Surah al-Baqra) categorically prohibits muslims from interfering with or ruining other places of worship. As there was a temple at the site of babri, muslims will be acting in accordance with their religion if they coperate with Hindus to build a Ram temple at that site.

He abuses RSS, and that is a big contribution in the eyes of anti-national self-declared secularists.

Overpopulation is detrimental to development, be it of Hindus or muslims or any other community. If a large section of any community is not productive, does not contribute to the development of Indian society and nation, and have become a liability on national resources, then increasing population of that comminity rings danger bells. Abnormal growth in muslim population should be seen in this perspective.

And the tomb belongs to a cheater who came to kill Shivaji in the guise of friendship. I am surprised how Hindus in Maharashtra have allowed this shameful structure to remain on earth. Anyway, better late than never. It must be demolished now.

You forgot to mention the most important event contributing to freedom of India - the dandi yatra. Will it not be proper for congress to take up a 'Development Yatra'? Or congress has forgotten the importance of yatras? Presently congress can join Uma Bharati Tiranga Yatra to pay their respect to Tiranga. Why take an illogical stand that congress does not need to prove its cerdentials? Congress leaders were never in forefront in freedom movement. It was only MKG. Congress leaders have only claimed rewards, not of their sacrifices (they never made any) but of MKG and those non-congress freedom fighters who gave their lives for the country.

India has to fight both corruption and overpopulation. Not worrying about the alarming rate of population growth can be fatal for the country.

It is indeed an irony, but congress has survived only on muslim appeasement.

If congress think that Tiranga yatra is to attack Manmohan Singh then the right action for him will be to go to Amritsar and join Tiranga yatra to register his respect for Tiranga. It will snatch the initiative from BJP and congress will be politically benfitted. Uma Bharati has already invited Maharashtra CM to join the yatra.

Britishers has fed poison of hatred in the mind of Indian muslims and provoked them for demanding a setarate nation for muslims. Now the same muslim community is talking of establishing Islamic rule in Britain.This is justice of the God. And if muslim terrorists did not kill children in Beslam then children must have killed each other. These muslim terrorists can talk so illogically. It is an indication how dangerous their loyalty is to jehad against non-muslims.

Yes you are right. Our President is a true Indian and a true Muslim. There is another person, Dr. Rafiq Zakaria. Read his recently published book - "Indian Muslims: where have they gone wrong?" I was also considering Javed Akhtar a good and progressive muslim. But he disappointed me with his partisan view on the day of education conference called by Arjun Singh when he said that BJP are fascists.

Tiranga yatra is in Maharashtra. Uma Bharati has invited Maharashtra CM Mr. Shinde to join the yatra. It is a very good gesture. Mr. Shinde should join the yatra and register his and party's respect for Tiranga.

The need of the hour is goodwill between Hindus and Muslims in India. Indian muslims are of two kinds - one, jehadi terrorists, and two, more enlightened young muslims. These young muslims are a hope as they want full integration with national mainstream. They are studying well and scoring good results. They are an aset for Indian society and nation. These young people should be welcomed by Hindus. They should be told by every Hindu that they as Indian as any Hindu is.

Corruption starts and ends with congress.

And the letter written by Motilal Nehru to his son Jawaharlal Nehru made the son Prime Minister of India. In this letter father advised the son to keep doing chamchagiri of MKG and never openly differ with him.

What is wrong with his physical appearance? As far as straightforwardness is concerned, one has to read his answers to the questions posed by media in his recent press conferance.

Allow me to complete your message - "......survive all the allegations against his ministers and will soon become a tainted minister himself".

It is the title of a book written by Dr. Rafiq Zakaria. The book has been recently published. A review of the book by Zia Haq has been published in Sunday Hinduatan Times of September 12, 2004. Read it if you can. A very interesting commentary.

If one agrees that Islam means peace then what Indian muslims are doing is against the preachings of Islam. Peace and terror can not exist together. One is either a terrorist or a peace loving human being. Violance in any form under any circumstances can not be a substitute for peace. Peace means peace both in letter and spirit.

Verse 114 of the Quran (Surah al-Baqra) categorically prohibits muslims from 'interfering with or ruining others' places of worship'. But muslims in the name of same Quran have demolished number of Hindu temples. We-know-all muslim clerics have been poisoning muslim minds and won't stop doing so, beacuse if they talk sense then they will stop being mullahs. Indian muslims should ponder over it and free themselves from the mental slavery of these self-serving mullahs. Muslims constitute a large section of Indian population and should convert them from a huge laibility to assets for Indian society and nation.

In intellectual world, recommending a good book for reading is considered a favour and is appreciated. But you paswan you will not understand it. It is beyond your mental comprehension. Sorry pal but this is the reality.

Hey users, what are you doing? Please read the book and then post your messages. Do not put unnecessary load on the board by posting off-topic messages.

A very interesting review of a recently published book on Indian muslims says that 'there are two things common among most muslim families in India. One, a child is expected to grapple with the basic tenets of Islam early in life. Two, forward thinking parents often tell their children to be proud of Islam but be wary of muslims'.

You are right. Times have changed. Now people are known from their work and not by their birth. I have seen brahmins-by-birth working in shoe factories, and shudras-by-birth in universities as teachers.

Do you mean to say that who uses abusive language is a dalit?

Aapke is sawaal ka kai baar jabaab diya gaya hai. Aaap bhi jante hain. Jab aataknvaad ko jehad ka naam diya jaata hai aur yeh kaha jaata hai ki har muslmaan ka farz hai ki woh jehadi bane, tab iske alaaba aur kyaa kahaa ja sakta hai ki? Hindustaan main musalmaano ko jitni bolne ki aazadi hai kyaa koi aur mulk uska mukablaa kar sakta hai? Lekin muslim aatankvadi phir bhi hindustan ko apna dushman karaar dete hain. Dekhiye yeh sab sabaal aise hain jinka uttar khud musalmano ko hi dhoondna hoga.

Main kabhi pakistan nahin gaya aur na hi jane ka iraada hai. Aap kahte hain ki yahan har koi pehle Indian hai, lekin mullah aur maulvi to yeh kahte hain ki har musalmaan pehle musalmaan hai aur phir hindustani hai. Woh yeh bhi kahate hain ki aisa na maanne waala sachha musalmaan nahin hai. Musalmaano ka ek bara tabka in mullah aur maulvi ki baat maanta hai. Ab kya sahi hai aur kya galat hai iska phaislaa to musalmann hi kar sakte hain.

You have covered everything in one small sentence.

There is one norm of NDTV - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard". Other norms you can set for yourself.

Jo bahar se aaye aur parliament par hamlaa kiya unhein kisi na kisi ne to panah di hi hogi. Main yeh nahin kahata ki kebal musalmaan hi unke madagaar hain, ho sakta hai kuch Hindu aur doosre log bhi unki madad karte ho. Bahar mulk ka aatankvadi bina is mulk ke aatankvadi ki madad ke apne jehadi karnamo ko anjaam nahin de sakta.

If you do not like the message then please leave.

Why are you searching RSS on this board? If you want to settle issues with RSS then go to their headquarters and settle the issues there. Even if they are afraid of you they can not run away fron their office. You will certainly find them there. Best luck to you.

Bhai hum to taras gaye aise musalmaan ko dekhne ke liye jo pehle hindustani ho aur phir musalmaan.

Why have you entered the message thread with an off-topic message? If you have anything to say on this message please do so. Please do not disturb the rytham of the message thread.

Congratulations for explaining the term Hindu in a simple language.

Lekin aaj kal to basti ka nazara doosra hi hai. Musalmaan aatankvadi aatey hain aur bugunah logo ko maar kar bhag jatey hain.

Kya in mahaan hindustanion ko dhoondney ki jaroorat hai? Yeh to aasmaam main chamaktey sitare hain, Hindustan ke gaurav hain. Aaj desh ko aise hi musalmano ki jarrorat hai. Woh kahan milenge?

Mr. sanjay, you post some good messages then suddenly allow yourself to be overtaken by hatred towards BJP and RSS, and start posting negative messages. Please analyze things with an unpartisan positive attitude. You can become an asset on this board.

Magar kahan dhoonde aise musalmano ko. Is board main to kuch dooseray hi type ke musalmaan nazar aatey hain. Board se bahar bhi woh nazar nahin aatey. Agar aise musalmaan hain to woh chupkar kyon rahatey hain, saamne kyon nahin aatey? Aaj desh ko aise musalmaano ki sakht jaroorat hai.

Aise bahut se log mil jayenge jo yeh gaana ga sakte hain, lekin aise kitne hain jo is gaane ki naseehat ko apni jindgi main utaar patey hain?

Aap akeley hi message post kiye jaa rahe hain. Main aapke jajbaat ki kadra karta hoon. Par aise kitne musalmaan hain jinko salaam kiya ja sakta hai?

I agree with your views. Politics has no place in religion. But religion should be used as a guide for practicing positive politics. Another point which should be considered is that our approach in these matters should not be partisan.

I congratulate you for the views contained in your message. We are all Indians. Our religion is our personal trait, which gives us strength to become a good Indian.

Saying Uma was forced to resign because of Court order after she was charge sheeted, and BJP had no choice but to make her step down from chair is a result of negative attitude. A person with a positive attitude will congratulate Uma and BJP for setting standards in public life for other politicians to follw.

Will you elborate how you consider yourself dalit?

Your message is incomplete. Allow me to complete it - "Muslims do make great servants. They give there lives to protect you if you are the master as long as their religion does not come in the way. Then they will kill you without any hesitation." I have seen them killing their masters in Hindu- Mulim riots in western UP.

Jehadi terrorists are no doubt the common enemy of entire world.

An interesting message, but how do you propose to use stupidity in muslims for your benefit? Is your plan different from the way congress has been using muslims for decades?

Yes. Appeasement of anybody must be sdtopped. Recently there is a spurt in appeasement measures, muslim appeasement, SC/ST appeasement and off-course appeasement of Lalloo and his leftist friends. UPA government will soon change its name to 'Under Presuure of Appeasement'.

You started with pseudo, ghaddar and suddenly stopped. Are you short of words? Please consult a dictionary and complete your message.

Are there any more snapshots? What more proof is needed by the world leaders that muslims are not human beings? In my opinion all countries of the world should unite and eliminate this animal called muslims from this earth. As long as a single muslim is alive, the world will not get peace.

Thanks for posting a funny message.

Aiyer had exposed his narrow mindset when he said that by removing the plaque of Veer Savrkar from Swatantra Jot he has rectified the insult to Bapu. Bapu, as known to the people ,was a great soul well above insults and respects. If Bapu was alive he would have disapproved the act of Aiyer. With his action Aiyer has brought down Bapu from the highest pedastal of freedom fighters to the level of a dirty, narrow minded, vindictive politician. He says that he rectified insult to Bapu but in fact he has insulted Bapu. No body in congress has condemned Aiyer for his insult to Bapu. It shows that congress has no respect for Bapu and uses his name for narrow political ends as done by Nehru. In my opinion Aiyer has committed a crime and should be punished for it.

Conratulations to muslim terrorists who killed innocent children. Their Allah must be very happy with them. They have become worthy of Allah's love. A place in Jannat has been reserved for them.

It is not only history but in present days also congress feels offended if somebody says that other people also fought for freedom of India. The fact is that no congressman fought for India's freedom. Freedom fighters do not claim rewards.When others laid down their lives, congressmen under Neharu were only busy in making plans about how they will rule India after Angrej left. Nehru was in such a great hurry to become prime minister that he emotionally blackmailed Bapu to accept division of India. Today also his family members are claiming prizes in name of serving Bhartmata. Someday some historian will write history claiming that Priyanka's son also fought for India's freedom.

Committing genocide in the name of Allah is the solemn duty of every muslim. It will earn him love of Allah and book a seat in jannat.

You have not mentioned Guru's two young sons killed by Aurangjeb as they refused to change their born faith and convert to Islam. They were martyrs who died for their religion. Today we have traitors who change their faith just for some monetary gains.

Secularists will not do anything for Hindus because the moment they do something for Hindus they will no more remain secularists. They will become communalists.

Being fanatic is the sole prerogative of muslims.

Which message you have replied, mine or that user from Dubai?

Hindus consider India as their motherland. They have no need to act against constitution of their country. It is muslims who are not loyal to India, as under Islamic dictats they have to treat India as a land which is not ruled by muslims and which should be converted into a land ruled by muslims. Islam further dictats that it is the duty of every muslim to fight for this cause, and he will get in return Allah's love and residence in jannat as a reward. Now do you see the illogicality of your nessage?

You have no answer to your question. But if you allow me I can answer your question. Please inform which community you are talking about.

Mr. Sanjay from Mumbai has elephant like memory. Let him go more deeper into his momory bank. He will find congress-organised tamashas after India Ji lost election case in Allahabad High Court.

Congratulations for having elephant like memory.Please go more deeper in your memory bank and you will agree with me. With love.

If you do not include 'muslims' in 'anyone' then you will find the answer. Muslims can do it and they have done it. They will do it again. Afterall they do it under Islamic dictat to earn Allah's love and reward of going to jannat.

And how secular and muslim users on this board are describing this nar-sanhar?

I think India had paid money for relaese of hostages. If for argument sake, India did not pay any ransom money or played any active role in this crisis then why Sonia and MMS have congratulated the minister?

Allow me to edit your message - "Congress and its alliance partners always play politics with the lives of poor people by inciting hatred among various communities. Since independence they have been creating wedge between various people by spreading rumours, distorting facts for their narrow personal gains and cementing vote banks. In all thess hate campaigns only pooe people have been affected. None of these leaders have anything constructive for Indian soceity. They can only play political tamasha in the name of helping poor Indians."

An illogical comparision indicating that author is totally ignorant about both RSS and taliban.

MMS provided less answers than creating more questions.

You are right there is no place on this MB (as it stands presently) for right thinking people. I have already switched over to other discussion boards where people are engaged in decent debate. But I keep surfing on this board and put my messages in the hope that some good user will pick up the thread.

Some board users have developed a negative habit of entering their messages in a thread which they do not understand and pollute the thread. They should confine their messages to those threads which are created by them or other like them for filth trading and abuse hurling. There are some right thinking users also on the board. Please allow them to debate through their message threads.

Don't enter message thread if you can not understand the message.

What has happened in last few weeks is ample proof that reopening of Hubli case is politically motivated. A negatively thought out strategy of UPA givernment to corner NDA has boomeranged.

Ar 11.35 AM I posted following message. By 1.00 PM 40 plus messages were posted having no linkage with the topic of the board. The priority of board users seem to be different from the topics selected by NDTV for discussion. "The official meaning of the word lawless is - one who disregards law, is unbridled, and is uncontrolled. When this definition is applied to a minister it means that a minister who has no respect for law, who does not behave within the limits of decency, and who can not control his words, actions and behaviour. Such a minister should be leld accountable and necessary action should be taken against him. I will request board users to evaluate the performance of various ministers in UPA government and post their comments."

New Godhra probe is certainly not required. A commission is already inquiring in to the matter. If it was felt by the UPA government that some aspects of the case have not been covered in the scope of the existing inquiry commission, then it could have asked Gujrat government to extend the scope of inquiry by including these aspects. Also from administration point of view it is advisable to use existing systems and instruments for additional jobs rather than creating new systems and instruments. New inquiry set up will not come cheap. It will eat in to public exchequer, Common men will have to foot the bill for this unnecessary expenditure. It would not be advisable to fault PM on this wrong administrative decsion in view of his experience. The only reason to set up another inquiry could be setting personel scores misusing government machinery. Every right thinking citizen should condemn this action of UPA government.

The official meaning of the word lawless is - one who disregards law, is unbridled, and is uncontrolled. When this definition is applied to a minister it means that a minister who has no respect for law, who does not behave within the limits of decency, and who can not control his words, actions and behaviour. Such a minister should be leld accountable and necessary action should be taken against him. I will request board users to evaluate the performance of various ministers in UPA government and post their comments.

I support your views. People fight for freedom as they feel they should fight. They do not fight to claim rewards. They fight to get freedom and have no pre-notions of what they will do after country becomes free. The foremost thought in every congressman's mind was that they will rule the country after it became free. Under this thought process they started claiming rewards, and went to the illogical extent to state that they were the only freedom fighters. What they did was simply to cash on their self declared efforts to gain freedom. And now their third and even fourth generation is claiming the reward. It is like one's asking his mother to pay for the food he has served to her. It is uncivilized, unpatriotic and inhuman.

No offense to your Laluji, but government instruments should not be used for settling political or personal scores. Your beloved Laluji is Railway Minister and should give all his attention to improvement of Railway services and administration. I appreciate your love for your Laluji but the fact is that people do not see him as a responsible person. He does not inspire confidence about his ability to govern a large organization like Indian Railways.

I wonder what sort of a person can post such message!

Most of the board users are posting messages only to hurt feelings of other users, and for this purpose they are using filthy words and abuses. Sometimes I am surprised on the outcome of their thought process. Where they have been stiring such filth?. BRING LOVE BACK TO DELHI. ONLY IT CAN SAVE THE CITY. 'Save Delhi Campaign'

Politics is played by political parties. In a civilised society it is expected that political parties will play decent politics. But in India all political parties have developed a fancy for playing dirty politics. It is largely because their thought process has become polluted with greed, opportunism and lust for power. As far as governance is concerned here also large scale deterioration has taken place. Political parties are using the instrument of governance to settle their political and personal scores. Lalloo's Godhra probe, Arjun's anti-HRD & anti-RSS initiatives, Aiyer's anti-Savarkar tirade, misuse of POTA against political opponents by Mayavati and Jaylalitha are few examples. BRING LOVE BACK TO DELHI. ONLY IT CAN SAVE THE CITY. 'Save Delhi Campaign'

Does Lalloo agree with your guess?

I don't think that any body is considering the Lalloo probe anti-hindu. The opposition is beacuse people know the type of person Lalloo is. His actions are always suspect and do not inspire any confidence. He does not deserve a ministership at center. He is there because of political complulsions and exploitation of feelings of a section of population. No right thinking person will order such a probe as already an inquiry is on. And the need today is to heel the wounds and not to keep them open with fresh probes. BRING LOVE BACK TO DELHI. ONLY IT CAN SAVE THE CITY. 'Save Delhi Campaign'

Board users, please don't enter areas which you don't understand or have no belief in. Your posts will only result in hurting others' feelings. BRING LOVE BACK TO DELHI. ONLY IT CAN SAVE THE CITY. 'Save Delhi Campaign'

Are you suggesting that Nafisa's parents are wanting to sue her fiancee because he is a Hindu? Would they not have sued him if he was a christian? It is a natural reaction in Indian society that whenever a wife commits suicide the blame is put on the husband.

In an recent interview to a pro-congress newspaper, Aiyer has said that he has rectified the insult to Bapu by removing the plaque in the name of Veer Savarkar installed at Swatantra Jot. I ask Aiyer to answer following questions - a) Suppose Bapu was alive and it was brought to his notice that no plaque has been installed at Swatantra Jot and it amounts to ignoring his contribution to freedom struggle, would he have agreed to this suggestion and treated it as an insult? b) Can insult to a person be rectified by insulting another person? Aiyer has not rectified any insult to Bapu because he was a person well above insult and respect. In fact, by his act Aiyer has himself insulted Bapu. Now he owes an apology not only to Veer Savarkar but to Bapu also. He has proved hinself a misfit and should be removed from the council of ministers.

In an recent interview to a pro-congress newspaper, Aiyer has said that he has rectified the insult to Gandhiji by removing the plaque in the name of Veer Savarkar installed at Swatantra Jot. I ask Aiyer to answer following questions - a) Suppose Gandhiji was alive and it was brought to his notice that no plaque has been installed at Swatantra Jot and it amounts to ignoring his contribution to freedom struggle, would he have agreed to this suggestion and treated it as an insult? b) Can insult to a person be rectified by insulting another person? Aiyer has not rectified any insult to Gandhiji because Gandhiji was a person well above insult and respect. In fact, by his act Aiyer has himself insulted Gandhiji. Now he owes an apology not only to Veer Savarkar but to Gandhiji also. He has proved hinself a misfit and should be removed from the council of ministers.

Mr. Aiyer says that he has rectified the insult to Gandhiji by removing the plaque in the name of Veer Savarkar. I have a question for Mr. Aiyer. If Gandhiji was alive today and it was brought to his notice that the plinth on which Swatantra Jot is installed in not having any plaque recording his contribution to the freedom struggle, would he have taken it as an insult, and would he have suggested that one of the existing plaques be removed to install a plaque in his name? Even if Mr. Aiyer thought that it was an insult to Gandhiji, can an insult be rectified by insulting another person? Let Mr. Aiyer answer this question with honesty. He will be surprised to discover that he has not rectified the insult to Gandhiji, but in fact he has himself insulted Gandhiji. Now he not only owes an apology to Veer Savarkar but to Gandhiji also.

It would have been better to understand the meaning of the word 'terrorist' before calling someone terrorist.

SC is the highest judicial body in India. It should conduct its affairs in a non-partisan manner. SC should order to re-open all cases connected with sikh riots.

Why they are doing it? What are their compulsions as a community to side with congress?

UPA government at center has raked up the forgetten political misadventure of then congress government at Karnataka to settle political scores. This government is burning with hatred towards NDA. Indian people have commited a blunder at the polls.

Uma Bharati is facing charges of attempt to murder and rioting filed against her after she defied curfew in Hubli in 1994 to hoist the national tricolour at Idgah Maidan. The moral of the story - if you hoist tricolour at Idgah (a place frequented by muslims) you will be charged for murder and rioting. UPA government at center has raked up the forgetten political misadventure of then congress government at Karnataka to settle political scores. This government is burning with hatred towards NDA. Indian people have commited a blunder at the polls.

God has many forms, visible and non-visible. Truth is one such form. Every human being is a manifestation of God. When we love another human being we love God, and when we hate another human being we hate God.

Let me add this to your message - And the one who has a positive attitude towards life and other human beings.

Sardar Manmohan Singh visiting Swarna Mandir with Sonia, a person whose mother-in-law ordered tanks in the temple and whose husband was responsible for killing of more thyan 3500 sikhs.

Users with positive attitude are invited to comment on the following - "No body will disagree with the Prime Minister on his observation that �The tyranny of over-inspection must end�. Over 30 inspectors visit an Indian industrial establishment. Cost of these inspections is either added to the product cost or results in lowering of quality standards. In both cases customer is the looser. This also increases black money, which in turn creates imbalances and contaminates the social behavioural pattern. These over-inspections must end. Government should take right initiative in this regard."

Are there any users on this board who will like to post their comments on the following message - "No body will disagree with the Prime Minister on his observation that �The tyranny of over-inspection must end�. Over 30 inspectors visit an Indian industrial establishment. Cost of these inspections is either added to the product cost or results in lowering of quality standards. In both cases customer is the looser. This also increases black money, which in turn creates imbalances and contaminates the social behavioural pattern. These over-inspections must end. Government should take right initiative in this regard."

A minister represents the government. Any statement he makes or any action he takes is a binding on the government. As long as a person is minister he has no personal opinion. If he has any opinion different from the government he has no place in the council of ministers. Aiyer, after he said that his comments on Veer Savarkar were his personal views and did not represent the views of the government, should have ceased to be a minister. If he did not resign on his own PM should have sacked him. He is a lawless minister who has broken the law of collective responsibility of the government.

Rather than proving Savarkar a traitor, it would have been better if you had posted your one act which can prove you a patriot. It might motivate some users to follow your act and become patriots.

Your post says that Lalloo has raised the voice of backward classes to a level that he is now a king maker. But you have not mentioned if he has raised the economic and social status of backward classes. Also you need to mention whether any king made by him belongs to backward classes.

It is really surprising that why no efforts are being made at minister's level to solve the strike problem.

Every party thinks before election that they will win. There is nothing unnatural about it. You got your facts wrong that communists are pro-poor and fight against communal hatred. Communists feed on the sentiments of poor people, and create communal hatred by building up hatred in one section of people against other section of people.

My dear Rameez Jan, har aadmi apne kaam se badnaam hota hai, kisi doosrey ke kaam se nahin. Agar Musalmaan badnaam hain tab apney kaam se bdanaam hain, koi doosra uske liye jimmedaar nahin hai.Isi tarah Hindu aur Isaai ki baat hai.

Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh has said that all political parties should have a code of conduct. Evolving a code of conduct acceptable to all parties will take lot of time. I will suggest that congress should immediately adopt a code of conduct and create a standard for other parties to follow. If Sonia is right in saying that two years back she had sent a note to all PCC chiefs and other senior party leaders on simplicity and honesty then Mr. Singh's job will become more easier.

I think their anger with NDA was momentary, and in that moment they did not give NDA the support it desereved. Now they have realized their mistake as their verdict was manipulated by congress with the support of anti-national leftist parties and criminals like Lalloo.

Common men do not think in a negative manner, and also they do not nurse hatred for any body.

It is asking too much from congress. Prime Minister has already spoken in defense of tainted ministers. The icon of taint in public life, Lalloo, is a very close friend of Sonia.

Are you having any plans to fight on behalf of Yadav?

Are you planning to form a Men's Rights Organization to fight for their rights?

By resigning from the post of CM Uma Bharati has created a standard to act according to her party's policy about tainted ministers. Another standard she has created for respect of law. After hearing about NBW issued by the court she went to Hubli and surrendered in the court. All politicians should follow the standards set by her. All common people should congratulate her for this.

Very good. As an Indian I support your view. With love.

Uma Bharati has created a standard for politicians to respect the law of the land and renouncing the post of CM to uphold her ideals.

No body can challenge your patriotism. But why use some words in an offensive manner to post your reaction? It can be done in a decent manner. India needs garam khoon youngsters but not for such purposes. With love.

I fully agree with your views expressed in last para of your message. With your permission I would like to reproduce it here for the benefit of those users who might have missed it - "BJP or Congress should identify with correct causes and indulge in nation building activities...that would do good to India...rather than fighting and fooling innocent Indians with their fake promises serving no good to anybody...". With love.

You are welcome to your views. With love.

Yes but not only of congress. There are others too who qualify for this distinction.

Please don't call such people freedom fighters. Their real name is Jaichand.

A good informative post. Congratulations. With love.

A very informative and eye opening message based on the practical experience of a muslim. I thank him for this and congratulate him for his words, "I always wondered about my destiny, lost in my fears and doubts, I really hated the idea of killing for my salvation, and in reality I never had the heart to kill a rat!, how then can I kill a Jew !!!". I send you my love.

The world is passing through an information era. Lot of information is avialable to the people. The most important thing for the people is to seggregate which information is right, which is wrong, which is incomplete and which is fabricated. Only then people should form their opinion. There is always a danger of being exploited if people do not filter out undesired information. It is a difficult task but why should people be in a hurry to form an opinion. Is there a real need of bothering who is in congress and who is in BJP? Each issue should be examined by the common people on its merits and de-merits. The trouble starts when people form their opinion based on the criteria of others, political parties, groups and organizations. How many people know about what has happened in Gujrat? People are forming our opinion what political parties, media, NHRC, SC or other activist groups are telling the people. (Example - SC called Modi a modern day Nero and people start blaming Modi. But is SC itself having a credibility which the highest court of a country should have?). In addition to all this people are also guided by their own age-old prejudices. Every action has a cause. Are people doing a real cause analysis before giving their verdict? You say that BJP is controlled by Sangh parivaar. But congress is also controlled by a parivaar. In my opinion common people of India should not associate with this or that organization, but should form their own independent non-partisan views about the issues being faced by them and Indian society at large.

You have left your message incomplete. Allow me to complete it - 'and congress is supported by tainted ministers like Lalloo and left'. Don't you agree? With love.

Do muslims living in Hubli respect others' belief that Tiranga is the symbol of their love for the nation? I am still not clear why muslims in Hubli objected to hoisting of Tiranga in Idgah maidan?

Smelling a conspiracy, I am not sure about all three murders, Sanjay's, Indira's and also Rajiv's.

I don't know which media used this word. But why do you pick up such words from media or any other source and use them in your posts? Mr. Siddiqui don't you think it only indicates your personality?

And see how Rajiv's wife Sonia and other congressmen are abusing Modi for not deploying police during Gujrat riots. I was in Delhi during that time and seen Delhi being burnt. A close friend of mine was burnt alive. And Rajiv was saying that when a big tree falls small plants are killed.

Would you use the same adjective for a lady of your house?

Taslimudding has been temporarily saved by Rabri gevernment by withdrawing case against him. It was bad and a open misuse of power. But by re-opening the case of Uma Bharati the issue has been brought to the fore by congress government in Karnataka.

I never said that you do not love India and Hindus. You asked about me and I told you. Now what is your grievance?

No body demeaned Dr. Singh. No body abused Dr. Singh. BJP leaders said that Dr. Singh's behaviousr with them was close to insulting them. Dr. Singh is PM of In and BJP leasders met him in in that capacity. But people filled with hate will twist issues and give them caste colour. Have you forgotten that when Rajiv was PM, more than 3000 sikhs were killed in Delhi? Think about it and post whether you are upset with so many innocent sikhs killed because a sikh killed Rajiv's mother. And think about it with love, not hate.

I am an Indian and live in India (New Delhi). I love all Indians including muslims, because I believe that they all are as Indian as I am. This love is irrespective of whether they love India and Hindus or not. Anything more you want to know about me? with love.

Would you like your muslim community to adopt this attitude, which you call the attitude of a garam khoon youngster? Would you like every muslim to hate BJP and NDA? Here I would not say, do it with love, because how can you love when you hate.

But you cared to read it and liked it. Then you posted it on this board. Are these words from that article or you have added them from your side, with love of course?

I am not hurt. I only wanted to know whether your view represents the muslim mentality? Pleaee answer that and with love if you can.

Hey Mr. Siddiqui, you are turning out interesting posts one after another. You are becoming an expert in this. You seem to know Dr. Sahib very well. You say that he is not a hardcore political animal, then what of sort political animal he is? You say that he is pretty much in the driver's seat but you add 'yet' in the bracket. What do you mean by this 'yet'? Sometime back a congress leader was saying on TV that Sonia has nothing to do with Uma Bharati's case. But you say that 'Madam steps in once in a while to hold the steering wheel, like she obviously did with the Uma drama'. Do you have some inside information?

Your message is quite interesting. Will you it represent the mentatlity of your community?

Power is affecting his behaviour as a gentleman. He has to decide what is important for him, to remian a gentleman or become a type of politician he is having around him.

It is really a big disappointment that the UPA government has not mentioned Kashmiri Pandits as part of its policy on Kashmir. Successive governments at the center have ignored the interests of these original residents of J&K. Whereas organizations like NHRC, SC and other activist groups will cry hoarse on the killing of a single muslim, they have remained unaffected on the imhuman treatment given to large number of Pandits in J&K by muslim terrorist organizations.This discriminatory trend to appease muslims should be reversed and in any future course of action on J&K Kashmiri Pandits should be involved.

I am unable to understand the behaviour of Mr. Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India, as reported in the newspapers and on TV news channels. Mr. Singh as always been perceived as a mild-natured person. What is happening to him? Why, after becoming PM he has started behaving in a manner which one can not associate with him. On the issue of tainted ministers his statement was totally unexpected. But yesterday it was really shocking. Why refuse a memorandum from opposition? Accepting a memorandum does not mean that one has agreed with its contents or one has prpmoised to take the desired action. He could have taken it and told opposition leaders that he will look in to it and let them know his views on the issues raised by them. Tainted minister was only one issue before opposition. But ministers in UPA government have been creating issues which were picked up by the opposition. Arjun Singh, Aiyer and now PM himself. 'Create an issue and then cry and blame opposition that they are not allowing parliament to function' has become a routine with UPA government.Why, the big question is why? Will the PM answer?

As per dictionary meaning, martyr is a person who is put to death for refusing to renounce a faith or belief. Now I ask those board users who have been using this word in their messages and throwing challenges to find out a martyr in the party, group or organization they support or belong to.

The language of your message supports my view point. I have tried to give you my views in a decent language but the words you have used can not be called decent. I can answer you on every point you have raised but no purpose will be served by that. I can only send you my love. May God bless you.

While agreeing with your views in first para of your post, I wish to differ with your views in last para where you have said that 'even if the land was undisputedly muslim owned'. A land can be owned by a Hindu or a Muslim but it reamins a part of the country. The owner can not say that I will not allow Tiranga to be hoisted on my land. If we allow him this then one day he may say that I will sell it to Pakistan.

No body will disagree with the Prime Minister on his observation that �The tyranny of over-inspection must end�. Over 30 inspectors visit an Indian industrial establishment. Cost of these inspections is either added to the product cost or results in lowering of quality standards. In both cases customer is the looser. This also increases black money, which in turn creates imbalances and contaminates the social behavioural pattern. These over-inspections must end. Government should take right initiative in this regard.

You are asking too much of these politicians.

If you have reproduced the text only and had not given the name of Savarkar, I would taken it as a message given by Mahatma Gandhi. Only a brave person will write these words and in India's history there was only one person other than Savarkar, Mahatma Gandhi. With love.

CPM is not in favour of persons with tainted background being inducted as ministers. MMS is also of the same view. Lalloo has also said this. Ram Vilas Paswan is also of the same view. But all of them are working with these tainted ministers, lalloo himself being one of them. No shame, only lust for power.

In your analysis you have ignored a very important point.The issue of Veer Savarkar was raised by Aiyer, a minister in UPA government. The Hubli case was raised by CM of Congress government in Karnataka. Was congress thinking that they will raise these issues to corner BJP and BJP will meekly surrender? I do not want to go in to whether congress was right or wrong in raising these issues, but the onus of all this goes to the credit of congress.BJP is a political party and will certainly like to take full advantage of the situation created by congress. Complaints are not in order here. With love.

You have misunderstood my message. When we say that politics should be guided by religion it is for keeping politicians in check. The cardinal guidelines of any religion if followed then politicians will behave in saint like manner. It was the guiding principle in India before muslim invasion. There is no human being without religion. Only a good Hindu, Muslim or Christian can be a good human being. With love.

NDTV has given many grades for rating a message. In my opinion they should add another grade 'Anti-national'. All messages rated as 'Anti-national' should be filtered and stored in separate folder. These then should be handed over to police for tracking the users who have posted these anti-national messages.

BJP is not passing any judgement on court order. They filed a petition in the court. Court has rejected the petition. BJP says that we will challenge this order in High Court. This is the right process of law. Overpowered by hate for BJP your thought process seem to have been affected. With love.

I call upon all muslim users on this board. Please read the message below posted by a filthy name user from Nashik, and give your comments. Do you support this and such other messages?

I watched the latest news on TV. It said that Una Bharati had boarded a train for Hubli to surrender in the court. Is it not honouring court orders? Yesterday her advocate said that they will file an appeal in High Court. Is it not fighting the case in court? Uma Bharati is a politician. She will certainly take advantage of this situation to prove her point of view that hoisting Tricolour at Idgah maidan in Hubli is her right as an Indian citizen. It is a narural political behaviour and not making drama and noise. And who are these people of India who are tired of such drama played by BJP leaders? Another news on TV was a senior official of Karnataka police saying that Uma Bharati once inside Karnataka will be arrested and produced in court. This man must be acting under orders of the Karnataka government. She is already going to surrender in the court, but Karnataka police will arrest her and produce in the court. Now what you will call this, a drama or a natural police behaviour? With love.

I have always appreciated the decency in your messages. If you do not mind I will like to rephrase last sentence of your message. Religion should not be mixed with politics, but politics should always be guided by religion. With love.

Thanks. I reciprocate it.

I am sorry that I can not agree with you that all sections of society are appeased by politicians. Politicians know whom to target for this. BJP wants to create a vote bank in Hindus. They raise issues which are near to Hindu heart. Some Hindus fall for it. But a equal numbr, and in some cases even a larger number, of Hindus rise against such tactics.But this does not happen with muslims. Rather muslims see themselves as a powerful vote bank which can exploit its strength in seeking more and more concessions. They do not want to change with changing times and to avoid any change they purposely do not become a part of the national mainstream. But for this they blame a section of Hindus that they are not being allowed to join the mainstram. Muslims in India are behaving like a pampered child who will do naughty things to other children thinking that his mother will take on other parents if they dare to complain about his rowdy behaviour. With love.

A very thoughtful message. I respect your views and pray to God to give you strength to follow your choosen path. I send you my love.

From your message I get a feeling that there is somebody represnting muslims on this board. Will you identify him? And how this kamalnath fellow knows your first name Mr. Javed? With love.

If you want peace and love then why don't you demonstrate it? Post few message of love on this board.From my side I send you my love.

Your hate for BJP has taken over all your mental faculties. You can not think properly and in an objective manner. The only answer to this problem is to post few messages of love. Start accepting love. I send you my love.

I will not go into the reasons why it has happened, but a large section of muslim population in India has become a bunch of ungrateful people. The more muslim-appeasement is done the more ungrateful they become. A recent trend is that they have openly started indulging in anti-national activities. Messages posted on this board are one such example. Barring few good muslims, the contribution of large population of muslim to Indian society is only hate and violance. With the support of some Hindu politicians they are growing more and more vocal and active in anti-national activities. Whenever I post a message of love in reply to their posts, they return it with another hate message.

Let me reproduce here a message posted by one user with ID as BABRI (UP) - "koi mai ka lal India ko islamic country honey se nahi roke sakta hey 60 saal bade koi court nahi koi sarkar nahi bas islam ka katter hakumat hoge". Will you like to comment on it? With love.

Let me pick up last two sentences from your message - 'We are not insane. If two idiots fight its better that we are not pulled in that fight.' But you have pulled yourself and the entire muslim community in this fight. You and your fellow muslim users on this board had posted many messages about this incident. What does it prove? As per your own message you are insane. Now to reply to first para of your message. Is a place in India where muslims worship not a part of India? Why hoisting Tiranga at such a place should be opposed by muslims? When some Muslims indulge in such activities only then their patriotism is doubted. Those muslims who behave like a normal Indian citizen they are loved and respected.

No need was ever felt for hoisting Tiranga on a temple because there is no ban on it. Any body can go and hoist tiranga on any temple. But Idgah maidan in Hubli was a place where hoisting of Tiranga was banned. How it can be tolerated. Is Hubli not in India? So it was natural to decide to go to Hubli and hoist Tiranga there on 15th August. If muslims residing in Hubli loved their country then they should have welcomed hoisting Tiranga in Idgah. But they opposed it and unfortunately then congress government also decided (muslim appeasement)to resist this move and created a law and order situation. What followed was due to this unpatriotic stand taken by Hubli muslims and congress government.The issue was forgetten but congress (again muslim appeasement) had raised it, and now if again riots breakout and few people are killed who will be responsible? No body is questioning your love for your country, but should not your expressed views demonstrate that? With love.

No, Mr. Siddiqui, you can not brush aside the issue of muslim appeasement by calling it a misnomer. There are always turns and twist in such issues but saying that no muslim appeasement is there is treating a very complex issue in a very casual manner. If you want Hindus to understand your views and reply them then you should post a balanced message. Your present message is based on one sided view. With love.

You start your message with good thoughts but slowly drift towards criticism of Hindus. Fight this urge to hate. Send love to all users on the board. I send you my love.

Early part of your message is OK, that BJP and RSS should also pay attention to other temples needing repairs. But in the later part of your message you have been overtaken by your desire to put all the blame on BJP and RSS. You say Love is God and God is Love. Please also practice it.Send a love message to all users on the board.

Don't generalise the issue to cover all minorities in your hate message. It is only a section of muslim minority, right thinking Indians are worried about. Actions of some muslims are threatening the integrity of India. And it is not RSS but actions of these muslim groups which is the main cause of terror in the minds of innocent muslims. It is these muslim groups who are spreading hatred. Innocent muslims are feeling insecure by anti-india activities of these muslim groups. The only solution is that innocent muslims should come out in open and condemn these muslim groups. You also come out of hate for BJP and RSS and analyze situations in a non-partisan manner. In the meantime I send you my love.

Your analysis of Uma Bharati's remark is influnced by your hate for BJP. If you analyze the reamrks as a non-partisan person then you will realize its logic. Hoisting of National Flag is not the prerogative of PM, President or Court. What Uma Bharati did, every right thinking Indian will like to do. When there is a palce in independent India where National Flag can not be hoisted, it becomes the duty of every Indian to go and hoist the National Flag there. By opposing her move muslims of that area had exposed themselves as anti-indian. Then congress government and state administration followed suit to appease these muslims. Uma Bharati's act was a patriotic act. She posed a question to Sonia, the inner-voice of congress and UPA government, to come forward and debate this issue. I have given you a lead, now you go ahead and analyze the situation. I also send you my love.

Your perception of shame is negative. In fact India should be grateful to BJP for creating standards in public life, after two sordid episodes of opportunistic politics of Soren and Taslimuddin. Perhaps asking you to improve your perception will be asking too much from you. So in return to your post I send you my love.

I can not agree with your last sentence. No Hindu dies as a slave. A Hindu is born free and dies free. With love.

Let me first welcome the post from far off. I can understand your anguish, but in expressing that anguish you have taken many names we Indians respect. Was it really necessary? A situation has come before Uma Bharati, and I think she is handling it in a manner which is expected of an Indian and a Hindu. She is creating standards of sacrifice. There was one Jaichand in the time of Prithvi Raj Chauhan. Today India is full of Jaichands. They are burning with hate but this time they will pierce their own eyes. I send you my love.

I am not advising you. I am only sending you my love. Why do you use harsh words to hide your true self which is full of love? Let this love overflow. Share it with others.

From the abuses you have posted in your message, do you think that you qualify to be a muslim and a God fearing human? I send you my love. Accept it and from your side send a message of love to a user on this board you hate most.

It is not nautanki. It is not dramabaji. These are Sanatana facts of life as tought to Hindus by Sanatana Dharma. As a follower of Sanatana Dharma I send you my love.

Very good morning Mr. Birju. I send you my love.

Maar kar theek karna is not my way. I can only send love to anybody who is burning with hate.

Aiyer is not the voice of India. Even his party has distanced itself from his statement. Aiyer had to say that it was his personal view. As far as conferring Bharat Ratna on Veer Savarkar is concerned, it will only raise the stature of this award. With love.

I do not know what you mean by your message. But let me say one thing. Respecting others' views is not surrendering your own views. Unnecessary arguments should always be avoided. I had a colleague in my office who used to say that he will loose an argument but not a friend. It is again a matter of perception, a positive perception or a negative perception. You are a nice person Mr. Birju. I send you my love.

I am a Hindu and no Hindu is a coward. It is a matter of perception, My dear Birju, which you call slave mentality. I send you my love.

Nobody can disagree with you on this point. He has already been conferred Bharat Ratna by millions of Indians. He lives in their heart. I send you my love for posting such a nicely worded message.

Religion and patriotism are never misplaced. It is the perception about them which is misplaced. No body, including me, has any right to doubt your devotion to your religion and patriotism. Hinduism is not alive because of RSS or any other organization. It is alive because of its sanatana principles, which includes its teachings of love,brotherhood, tolerance and many other traits which guides people to live a full wholesome life. Another point Mr. Birju, what satisfaction do you get by calling other people names? I send you my love.

You are becoming your own enemy Mr. Birju. Please realize it and make corrections. And it is not nautanki, it is hrad fact of life. Spread love not hate. From my side I send you my love. From your side you send it to showcat. Do it and see the difference.

I am not advising you, and you have not insulted me by calling me mkg. I have taken it as a compliment. Spreading love is not slave mentality but a very brave act. Can you post a message of love for those with whom you have traded filth? Try to do it then you will understand what slavery and bravery mean. Why your blood is boiling, is something wrong with it? I send you my love. Please accept it. It may lower the temperature of your blood.

But only human beings need support of another human being not Gods or Prophets.

Mr. Biju I am very much disappointed in you. From where you learned such foul language? Patriots don't use such language. Patriots love their country and fellow countrymen.I have a mission in my life and that is to spread love. There is so much hate in the world that more and more people are needed for this job. Can you be the one such person to spread love? I told you that if you want to know more about me visit my website www.betterlife4all. I send you my love.

You know Mr. Birju, I have been following your posts for quite some time, and have also been supporting your views. But when you started trading filth with other filth traders I started ignoring your posts. I again sent you my message when you became a cause for insult to Hindus and their religion. You started throwing and accepting challenges which only resulted in more abuse and insult to Hindus and their faith. But you will not think positively. Take a good advice irrespective of its source. Send a message of love to all users. Can you do that? I send you my love.

Thanks for your compliment, but I am not equal to that great man. As you have mentioned his name why don't you follow his advice? Give love to all. Can you do that?

The first step should be to sign the manifesto of relationship. Please visit the website www.betterlife4all.com. With love.

Thanks Mr. Birju for this hate message in return to my love. I can send you only love as I have only love for others. Spare few minutes and visit my website, www.betterlife4all.com. With love.

With your messages it seems that you are suffering from inferiority complex. You call yourself a dalit whose meaning you do not know. You abuse yourself and blame BJP and RSS for it. Now you are talking of reservation. Please think in a positive manner.Like other normal human beings you are also the creation of God Who does not discrminate one normal human being from another. Overcome your inferiority complex. Stand up and say that 'I am a normal human being'. Perform your duties for the society and the country. Exercise your rights as an Indian and a Hindu. I send you my love.

You are right. Do you see any role for yourself in removing caste oppression and injustice?

Please don't insult your own Prophet. Should you need a Michael Hart to prove His greatness? You have shown disrespect to Rama and Krishna and called them fake Gods. But as a Hindu I forgive you and send you my love.

Please don't insult Muhammad. Do you need a Michael Hart to justify the greatness of Muhammad?

PLease don't insult Muhammad. Do you need a Michael Hart to justify the greatness of Muhammad?

The right solution to any problem can be found only with a cool mind. One has to analyze the problem and determine the root cause. Many times we precieve and see the root cause in an area but after investigation the real root cause is found in altogether a different area.

You have posted many similar messages on the board. What is your purpose of doing so? So many replies have been posted by me and other users that no Hindu follows what manu has said. In fcat more than 95% Hundus don't even know that who manu was and what he has written. Please come out of this inferiority sysndrome. Develop positive attitude. With love I send you this message.

No body is following manu's caste system. There is nothing like low caste or upper caste Hindus in modern India. Please cool down. I am a Hindu and send you my love.

Why do you abuse yourself and blame RSS and BJP for it? With love.

Why do you raise this issue again and again? Last time we discussed it and it was settled that manu is not the last word for Hindus. In fact more than 95% Hindus would not know if asked about manu. Caste system has become almost extinct in Hindu society.

You say that you are a dalit. God has made all normal human beings equal. Are dalits not normal human beings? And please also tell how dalts are being treated as trash bag in Hindu society? With love.

Thank you for supoprting my view that your analysis is partsan which has been guided by your hate for BJP and RSS. Now please analyze it as simple issue of hoisting Tiranga on a part of India's land on 15th August (and ofcourse by keeping BJP and RSS out of it). With love.

It is very difficult to explain about oneself. I can only say that I am a Hindu and my religion guides me how to conduct myself in life and also how to relate with other people. BJP , congress or any other party or organization do not play any role in my life except that they may be having some views similar to mine. If you wish to know something about me then please visit my website www.betterlife4all.com. Now let me deal with your your comments. I am not a supporter of BJP or congress. From what BJP or congress do in some situations, you may say that are they are supporters of my views. Regarding rest of your message I am in full agreement with your views except that I want mandirs as they are the symbol of my faith. With love.

Yes I am guided by my inner voice. In fact all people are guided by their inner voice. Some people listen to it with positive attitude and act with love for all. Some people ignore those inner-voice messages which are considered inconvenient under negative influence. And as far as learning from history is concerned it is again whether one reads it with positive or negative attitude. With love.

Can't you post a positive message or is it asking too much from you? Why are you filled up with so much hate? Is it that you did not get a good upbringing from your parents, or you have come under influence of somebody with a total negative attitude? I don't want to be harsh with you, though your posts deserve a harsh response. I am a Hindu and can give only love in return to your hate messages.

Analtsis of this issue shows your partisan attutude. Public outcry is not against Uma Bharati, but is against the court order. Every right thinking Indian has felt outraged that there are still places in India where hoisting of Tiranga is a crime. Court and police department are not concerned whether Uma Bharati resigns from the post of CM or not. A warrant has been issued and police has to serve it. You would understand the logic of BJP action if only you come out of your hate syndrome. Discard hate, adopt love. To start with I send you my love.

Do you have any action plan for liberating dalits from brahmins? If I can make a suggestion, start from defining the term 'dalit' so that dalits can be identified. Once you come out with a suitable plan I may like to support you. In the meantime I send you my love and pray to God to grant you success in your project.

Every person with positive attitude will support your views. Now let us analyze why congress and muslims are behaving in this negative manner. First of all don't underestimate their intelligence. They know what they are saying or doing is not right and is certainly not in national interest. But political compulsions are forcing them to behave in this manner. Take an example - MMS is not in favour of inducting person with criminal background in his council of ministers but as per his own statement he had to induct them under poltical compulsions. Another example - Javed Akhtar is a progressive muslim and believes that history books written under congress raj were distortions, but in recent education board meeting he sudeenly reverses his opinion and calls BJP fascists, certainly under political compulsions.

You are right. It is a sad state of affairs. They say that law is blind and does not hear. Now-a-days law sees and listens very clearly, though in a discriminatory manner. Most of the judgements are delivered by seeing and listening to the person(s) and not as per the provisions of law. Don't worry God is keeping the account, and the day is not far when He will deliver His jusgement. In the meantine pray and send love to all.

Hindus will get it back. It is destined by God. Muslims themselves will come forward. The day is not far when Muslims will understand the power of love as preached in the Holy Quaran. Hate can not last forever. It is a temporary phase. In the meantime pray to God amd send love to all.

What you say is all OK. But why should you become a cause for this? Birju in his misplaced enthusiasm and sense of duty towards his religion accepts such challenge. Do you think that Hinduism is a religion which needs proving. Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma. No harm could come to it under muslim and british occupation. That is its strength.

Hindus believe that this palce is the birth place of Shri Ram, but some people do not want to respect their belief. This does not mean that you should enter in to unnecessary arguments with them. Please stop this discussion. Post message of love for those who hate you and your belief.

You seem to be too much concerned about it, as you have posted this message on all the boards. Don't worry, India will never turn Islamic. This phase of muslims involving themselves in terrorist activities is a temporary phase. They will soon understand that their interpretation of their Holy Book is not correct. Quran teaches love and tolerance, and soon muslims will realize it and cease terrorist activities.

Thanks. I send you my love.

No offense meant but users on this board do seem to be competing with parliament.

Trait of sycophancy kills self-esteem, self-respect and a sycophant will always looks at things with his self-interest. He also does not respect those whom he is praising, as he treats them as a mere tool to serve his narrow personal gains. The person on the other side also knows it and treats the sycophant like dirt. Such relationship can never be productive. It will harm the society and the nation. Today sycophants are ruling the country, and the result is for everybody to see.

Now do you see what you have achieved by your post. One user has said that Ramayana is a story and not fact. Will you now reply to insult their Holy Book. Please understand that such hate trading will only result in insult of Hindu and Muslim Holy Books. Is it the purpose of your taking part in debate on this board?

Any person with positive attitude will understand. Please don't call people by what they wear. And why should you bother whether other people will understand it or not? You should think about yourself. My message to the users on this board is 'trade love not hate'. From my side I send you my love and pray to God to give you strength to understand yourself better.

Mr, Birju, once you say that it is a matter of faith then why should you accept to prove it. Does faith need any proof? And how can you call somebody a secularist if he has asked you to prove it? Then you go ahead and give them a challenge to prove issues related to their faith. Fill up the gap between what you believe and what you practice. I send you my love and pray to God give you strength not to be carried away by hate for others.

I am neither getting you wrong nor right. You are entitled to your views. You have every right to post your views on the board, crticizing a point of view you do not agree with. But that criticism should be in the limits of decency. You may like the views of RSS or any other organization. But how can give your conclude and declare that 'RSS chaps are filled with hate for India', that 'they are ready to divide India on communal lines'. These are very harsh words, and can never be a result of thoughtful analysis. My message to the users on this board is 'trade love not hate'. From my side I send you my love.

Please give a clear indicator to Mr. Birju's reply. I have posted my reply to one of his messages, and he called my conglife and asked me to ask my sonia, lalloo and other chamchaas.

Which post you are referring to? Please give a clear indicator. There are many posts under your ID.

You are perfectly right. A political party in power has the primary responsibility. But other parties in opposition have also equal responsibility if not more. Welfare of people is the responsibility of not only political parties, ruling or opposition, but also of the people themselves. Any programme taken up for welfare of people is not likely to be completed by a particular government and will be carried over to another government. The credit for success or responsibility for failure should be shared. It is wrong to claim all credit for self and put all blame on others.

You rightly believe that matters of faith can not be solved by courts. But the most important point you have missed, that matters of faith should also not be discussed. Faith does not require any proof. There are many more issues needing discussion. Please concentrate on them and keep religion out of discussion. My message to all board users is 'Trade love and not hate'. I send you my love.

I am amused with your message. Recently an user has posted a reply to my message using very foul language. He belongs to the other camp you are engaged in verbal dual with. Now you call me conglife and relate me to Sonia, Lalloo and chamchaas. Tell me what a person like me, who only wants to discuss issues and not persons, should do? From my side I can only send my love in return to your post.

The criteria you have mentioned in your post is applicable in case of almost all prime ministers, in one form or the other. How only Rajiv can be called the worst PM? A citizen of this country,an honest tax-payer & a patriot should not speak such language. If people like you start using such language then who will create standards for others to follow? Please consider what I am trying to convey. In the meantime I send you my love.

What credentials users on this board have to discuss Shri Ram? Stop this throwing challenge and accepting challenge on religious issues. Confine yourself to what you are good at.

See discussion threads posted below. Can a decent person post his views on the topic of the board? Some users have developed expertise for only trading filth on the board. I request these users to stop posting such offensive messages. I send them my love and pray to God to give them strength to post only decent messages.

My answer is NO.

Please Mr. Trishool, I can not appreciate your message. You are welcome to post your views on the issue I have raised. No personalities please. I send you my love.

You are entitled to your opinion but may I ask what credentials you have to pass on such judgement on an ex-PM of India?

Your observations are not logical. India is certainly going through hard times. And it is because of wrong priorities and policies of the present government. They have not been able to fulfill any promise they made in their manifesto and CMP. Even their leftist supporters are crtizing them. No one else is responsible except the government for the sorry state of affairs. Why should you feel offended when somebody points out the problems country is facing today? What are your credentials relating to freedom struggle? And who has authorized you to criticize others and using words like 'shame on you'? Please behave in a decent manner or is it asking too much from you?

It would be better for you to first understand the meaning of word 'martyr'.

Ashfaqulla Khan was an Indian and became a martyr as he refused to live as a slave under british rule. His religion has got nothing to do with his martyrdom. And don't call him a muslim martyr as all muslims in India were Hindus and converted to Islam under fear of death or some monetary gains. All converted muslims can only be called traitors of their born faith.

So as per MC Chagla, Aiyer and his party are unpatriotic.

Gujrat aid is perhaps not with a human face.

A mother always wishes good for her son. Please keep personalities out of your messages.

I don't understand what you wish to communicate by your message.

By your funny logic you will issue a warrant for MMS if hoisting of Tiranga by him on Red Fort is opposed by some people and they start a riot killing people.

I send you my love. May God give you strength to observe decency.

It is too late now. It should have been done in 1947.

A funny message has been rated as interesting.

People posting filthy messages have no ideology. They only have hate and they distribute it in their messages.

Is this the only way you can reply to my point?

Some users on this board think that by using wrong words in their messages they are achieving something to be proud of. They are not realizing that their language is indicating their state of mind and personality.

But why do join a debate where filth is being traded? You can ignore such posts, and can post your message separately.

OK, you are not a BJP or Congress supporter. It is good that you have your own views about the problems our country is facing and their possible solutions. But don't you think that your posts should also match your views. Your posts should not give an impression that you have a partisan attitude towards others.

From the messages being posted on the board, it seems that users have no ideas of their own. Most of the users are motivated by their hate. Some users will abuse RSS and some will abuse congress. They will also go to the level of abusing individuals. All sort of filthy words are used. Don't we have any users on this board who can debate with decency, who can confine their views on issues and not bring in personalities? I wonder what they get by abusing others. A sadistic satisfaction of putting others in their place or winning an argument?

I would request board users to exercise restraint in posting messages on the board. Some users have a tendency to start posting as soon as a news item appears on TV or in print media. They don't have any data to base their views but do not hesitate to give their opinion even when it relates to the security of the country. Other users immediately take upon them and a war of words starts. This is certainly not a responsible behaviour.

I have observed that whenever a good message is posted on the board, there is hardly any response. But for filthy abusive messages most of the users have their relpies ready. Is it an indication of the state of mind of board users?

Please observe decency while posting your messages on the board. Do you realize what you are writing reflects your personality?

The minister responsible is busy in abusing Savarkar.

Another hate message from you. In return I send you my love and pray to Allah to put some sense in your thought process.

They are disgrace to the nation.

This bronze has brought disgrace to India.

A shameful karma of Karnataka government and judiciary.

No, I don't agree with you. What others call you is not important. What you think about yourself is the most important aspect of your personality. I am a Hindu and proud of it.

I am disappointed in you Fa5termind. How could you post such a filthy message?

A message full of hate. In return I send you my love. May Allah give you wisdom.

You are confused. You are either not rightly informed or not able to differentiate between words and actions in case of muslims in India.

You are right. India needs a law that no person charged with a crime can contest an election.

The ugly face of Indian democracy.

But congress had no martyrs in its ranks at any point of time. Those who died in the freedom struggle are martyrs as they refused to live under salvery.

But this is the culture of congress. Importance is directly proportional to the degree of liking by the boss.

Who is this great mayor?

Did he say Namaste or 'Jeetay raho'?

Who is accountable politicians or people?

A laudable performance. Improvement on all fronts with a human face.

Congress government in AP is following the foot steps of K&K government. Let us see who creates a record first.

Why do say that shame on all Indians? Shame is on those people who consider hoisting of Tiranga a crime, the administration and the judiciary.

You have raised a very good point. UPA government should come out with facts about the progress on this promise.

PLease don't use the word 'sacrifice' in relation to that sordid episode.

MMS is a nominated PM. What it means can be explained only by Sonia and UPA. It has happened for the first time in the history of Indian democracy.

Hoisting Tiranga is a crime. Are we still living in British ruled India?

Words are constructed using letters. People by systematic use of words make sentences. These sentences are used to communicate with each other. One person can select three words and say 'I love you'. Another person can also select three words and say 'I hate you'. What is the difference between these two persons? Out of three words two words are common, but the third word makes a difference. It respresents the state of mind of the person, his attitude towards life and his relationship with other persons.

Not only 'lawless' ministers but every body who violates the law of the land should be punished. There should be no discrimination before law, except that if law-makers violate the law their punishment should be exempalary. But for doing this judiciary should behave in a non-partisan manner.

Will the post of boosedk (above your post) will help things? Will with such posts on the board will convince Hindus that Indian muslims are with India? Such people create hate and disturb harmony.

All Indians like to believe that all Indian muslims are not linked with terrorism. But some incidents change things. At the recent meeting of ecucation board under Arjun Singh, BJP members boycotted the meeting on first day. When Javed Akhtar was interveiwed on TV he without hesitation called BJP fascists. I have always considered Javed as a progressive person, but on that day his statement changed my opinion.

I appreciate your views. Muslim are an integral part of India. Most Hindus believe them and their patriotism. But muslims should also believe Hindus and refrain from abusing them and their faith.

You are right. Hate will bring only hate in return. If one wants that others should respect his religion then he should too respect others' religion.

You are still here. When will you go to Spain where you are needed to take on people head-on?

Intended or unintended mixing!

I fully support you that users should not post messages which spread hate.

What does it mean? The price of a life in Bihar is Rs. 400.

Rajiv is shining in today's newspapers. Congress governments at center and state have inserted big advertisements in newspapers. Congress criticized spending public money on India shining. Money spent on Rajiv shining is coming from which fund?

Muslims have a dictionary of their own, in which 'violance' means 'peace'.

Who are you to talk about martyrs for freedom struggle? What are your credentials? Indian muslims have no right to talk about something which they have not done and would never be able to do it. I suggest you read the meaning of martyr in dictionary.

Don't use such words you don't understand. First of all you post the meaning of martyr. And don't do ha ha ha ........ showcat.

All negative forces have assembled under a manipulated alliance standing on the vaisakhi provided by the left. With appeasement of muslims thrown in, it has become a deadly weapon to destry India.

I am inclined to agree with you. My experience on this board indicates that muslims have a one track mind and it is impossible to change their thought process.

Please post some notable paragraphs from the book, if you have one.

Many users on this board are crying hoarse that groups they support had martyrs amongst them, and groups they oppose have no martyrs. These people do not understand the meaning of this word. They simply post hate messages, perhaps to get sadistic satisfaction. If one goes by one definition of word martyr then entire muslim and christian population in India has no martyrs. They can at best be called traitors to their born faith which they changed for fear of life or some monetary gains.

I do not bother whether your facts are changed or not. I do not give a damn to what you believe or don't believe. I know one thing for sure that people calling Saheed Bhagat Singh a communist are traitors, and you are one of them. I can only give you my love with a wish that God may give you wisdom one day. I will now stop this discussion as I do not want to communicate with a traitor.

Those calling Saheed Bhagat Singh a communist are commiting a national crime. I consider all such people traitors.

Thanks for leaving the kid alone. Regarding Spain read your own posts. You said that you take people head-on. Such creatures are needed in Spain for famous bull fights. My best wishes and love for your new assignment.

Hey SFI don't you have any decency?

But kids need advice or else they will be spoiled. Already a showcat is claiming to be your tutor.

So you are tutoring the kid. Please don't spoil him. Why don't you leave for spain and leave him alone?

Don't mind him. He is a kid being naughty on the board.

Hey kid don't tax your mind. It is older peoples' job. You concentrate on your homework and improve your monthly grade in school.

Hey kid you are being naughty. I send you my love. Complete your homework and sleep.

What is this ha ha ha ........? You are certainly loosing your cool. Come out of this hate. Behave like a normal human being, or is it asking too much from you?

Nothing offensive about these words if these are used in their right sense. These words become offensive if used with malice and to abuse a certain person or a group of persons. Try to understand and come out of hate. Accept this message of love from an Indian to another Indian.

But you have digested wrong information. Shaheed Bhagat Singh was a martyr. Calling him a communist is a crime much more than being a traitor. Try reforming yoursolf O redindian. I send you my good wishes and love.

Please don't abuse Islam. Islam is a religion and not a dog-killing department of a municipal corporation. What is wrong with you? I send you my love and you answer with hate and abuses.

Half-chaddis, bachchoo, what has happened to you showcat or showbull? You are loosing your cool. I once agian send you my love. May God give you peace.

You are here also, hey showcat or should it be showbull. I have sent you my love and you react in this manner. When are you leaving for Spain?

Don't use same language on the board which you use in your home.

If you take on people head-on, then why you have named your ID as showcat. It should have been showbull.And what are you doing in India? You should go to Spain. My request for using decent language is for all board users. Are you not accepting it because of your head-on characteristics?

I congratulate you for the clarity of your thoughts at least on this point that you will go to hell whether sooner or later. Now in the meantime why don't you engage in some good deeds so that you may get a chance to visit swarga to meet Savarkar and ask your question. From my side in the meantime I send you my love with all good wishes.

No showcat, you got it all wrong even your own post. I wanted to impress upon you that while posting messages one should select good and right words. But you have failed to take a good advice. You are again using bad words. Why should you use words which hurt others. You can express your views using decent words. Another thing, why should you criticize those persons who are not using this board and can not answer your accusations? Please try to post messages using decent language. And let me make it clear that my request is for all board users, or else you will accuse me of partisan behavior. In the meantime I send you my love, O fancy showcat.

A traitor, who called Shaheed Bhagat Singh a communist, is throwing challenges. Do you know the meaning of martyr? Read it, understand it if you can.Then you will understand the illogicality of your challenge.

redindian is not a martyr, but a trator. He has called Shaheed Bhagat Singh a communist.

Are you not the same redindian who proved himself a traitor by calling Saheed Bhagat Singh a communist? As a normal rule I should not reply to your posts. But I am inclined to give you another chance. Do you know the meaning of martyr? Explain in what connection you want to know the name of a martyr.

Ask fancy showcat. I am also trying to get an answer from him.

Hey kid who has taught you all this?

Why don't you go and personally ask Savarkar, and leave board users in peace?

No kid, you are mistaken. A true brahmin will never use such language. Also brahmins do not hate. They preach love. I send you my love kid. Please behave as a good kid.

You have a nice name. I send my love to you, O Son of Fire. My message for not using abusive language is for all users of this board.

RSS on payroll of ISI! This is one of the craziest post of this board.

Hey whizkid, what is your family background? I don't agree that you come from a brahmin family. The language you use on the board can certainly not belong to a brahmin family.

What will you do with that information? If in any case you need this information you will get it only if you look for it without hate-RSS mentality.

Hey whizkid, mind your language. If you can not use decent language then get off the board. Kids normally don't use such language unless specifically taught to do it. Who is tutor?

But I want to force an issue on you. Sometime back you posted a message that PM and his ministers are not showing their mugs on TV. When I asked you why are they are not showing their mugs you started avoiding the issue. I once again request you, please tell me why thery are not showing their mugs on TV. Why are you not taking us in confidence about this best-kept secret of congress?

Yes, a logical follow-up of what SC has started.

Yes. A very nice post. Congratulations. I hope all MB users will agree with your request. Now please post a topic related to development to be discussed in a healthy manner.

No. It is you who should tell us in what respects a dalit is inferior to a normal human being. Others may call you anything, but what matters most is what you call yourself, a dalit or a normal human being.

Wonderful. A true and sincere BJP supporter is opening up. Please keep posting such good ideas. I am sure with supporters like you BJP will reclaim its lost position.

I am convinced that you are a BJP supporter but feel shy in admitting this fact. Any BJP supporter will understand what is right and what is wrong. Please inform what you feel BJP should do to reclaim its lost position.

This is good. Now please advice your fellow board users to stop using the word dalit. Convince them that they are in no case inferior to normal human beings.

Don't take names. Tell us how a dalit is inferior to a normal human being. Then we will decide whether you are a dali or not.

Why can't you take a good advice and improve your language? Normally a kamal is not affected by the keechar of the pond but in your case it seems to have entered your brain and affected your thought process.

You seem to worried about the future of BJP. It is good to see a sincere BJP supporter on this board. In your next post you should write about the steps BJP should take to return to power in next Lok sabha election.

Many users on this board are using the term 'dalit'. Sometime they use it to criticize Hindus and their faith. Sometime they use it to abuse RSS and other Hindu organizations. Sometime they use it to abuse even such individuals who are not using this board. Sometime they also use it to abuse other users on this board. Will such users define what do they mean by the term 'dalit'. It will help people like me to understand their view point and post replies to their hate messages.

First inform whether you are a dalit. If so then clarify how you are a dalit. What traits of a normal human being you are lacking?

First explain who is a dalit?

Yes, a very good point you have raised here. Who is to decide what is justice and what is injustice? How can one accept that Islam respects other faiths when any body having a different opinion is called a non-believer (kafir) and then Islam guides how such non-believer should be treated (jehad)?

Partisan politics has covered all constitutional institutions in India. How SC can remain uninfluenced? Afterall SC judges are also humans. And humans want recognition. And Indian media recognises only those whose words and actions are anti-hindu.

A very good teaching indeed, but why the followers of Islam practice it in a altogether different manner?

Why Allah created a world which is not good enough? Any comments by Islamic scholars on this board?

I support your reprresentation that SC should re-open all cases of 1984 carnage and punish the guilty. I will also like to add Mumbai riots in this representation.

I have read various articles pointed out by amitmehra on the subject of freedom fighters. I fuuly agree with the views expressed in these articles that those who have least contributed to India's Independence, or worse who were partially responsible for its most terrible traumas, occupy a place of honour in congress and leftists sponsored books, while those who had a deeper vision and worked with dedication for a true, wholesome independence, are in the shadow and have been waylaid by unpatriotic historians working under congress and left ideology. This explains why congress and leftists started crying hoarse when BJP started introducing corrections in the wrongly written history. To exploit misplaced anti-RSS feelings of some misguided people they started a hate campaign against RSS. All this is clearly evident in the messages posted by these misguided people and the language they use to express their views.

Have you gone crazy? Spreading such rumors is crime. If police get to know of it you will be in trouble.

After Arjun Singh, Mani Shankar Aiyer has now become a liability for congress. He made some comments on Vir Savarkar which were opposed by BJP. He ran away and asked Azad to give a clarification on his behalf. Through Ghulam Nabi Azad he said that his comments on Savarkar were his own and not that of the government. UPA ministers have two views, one their own and other that of the government. Why MMS has included people as ministers who have personal views different from those of the government?

Indian economy will be under more pressure with surging prices of crude oil.

Why are you surprised? It is not old congress when it had leaders who will talk about others in a decent way. Now it has been reduced to the level of a crowd of sycophants. So are its supporters. Another thing congress under sonia has no polcy and programme of its own. It has no principles, no aims and no objectives except sdpreading hate and creating disharmony between people. Its reference is what BJP is doing. It measures and justifies every action taken by it with what BJP had done under similar circumstances. It was a bad day for India when it could manipulate numbers to form a government at the center.

It is not surprising. Congress and its supporters don't have anything of their own. Their reference point is BJP. They compare their every word and action with BJP and try to justify it on the basis of BJP's performance. Their way of working is to spread lies & hate and create disharmony. Congress's entire perception of people's problems and solutions is negative. Olden days are gone. Now the party has reduced to the level of a crowd of sycophants.

Do you know that calling communists freedom fighters and saying that Bhagat Sinfg was a communist has made you yoursolf a traitor? From today onwards you have joined the ranks of traitors.

Why it is surprising for you. Congress and its supporters don't have anything of their own. Their reference point is BJP. They compare their every word and action with BJP and try to justify it on the basis of BJP's performance. Their way of working is to spread lies & hate and create disharmony. Congress's entire perception of people's problems and solutions is negative. Olden days are gone. Now the party has reduced to the level of a crowd of sycophants.

Don't use same language on board which you use in your home.

Do you ask your mother to pay the price of meal you serve her?

A true freedom figter does not claim compensation. It is like asking money for serving one's on mother.

Appointing tainted persons as ministers is not only wasting parliament's time but also wasting country's potential, undermining principles of truth, honesty and respect for law of the land.

You say that every communist was active freedom fighter? It is the craziest statement I have ever come across?

Giving free electricity to any body is criminal. It is a natural tendency when somebody gets something free he does not use it juducially. He does not bother when the free commodity is wasted. He uses it for those purposes also for which it is not meant. Electricity generation uses natural resources. Kautilya has suggested death penalty for wasting natural resources. In modern world also, all governments are trying to conserve natural resources, but in India, congress governments are wasting natural resources.

I will not like to comment on his previous life. But he, with his words and actions, has proved himself a misfit for the office of minister of HRD. MMS should consider removing him from this job.

I will like to add on this point. MB users should not add derogatory adjectives before the names of people they are referring to in their messages.

Aiyer is a minister. Such a responsible person should not speak and behave in such uncivilized manner. As he has spoken now, MMS should consider asking him to resign. He has proved himself a misfit for this office. Also as he is the cause of disruption of parliament, he should be asked to compensate financial loss.

Are you crazy, posting such nonsense for the sake of winning an argumant?

It is really bad on the part of congress and leftists to belttle the contribution of those freedom fighters who are not liked by them. Talking about those, who can not reply, in such disgraceful manner is uncivilized. Congress respects Nehru but there are many people who do not like him. Suppose they start criticizing him in this disgraceful manner then how congress will feel?

Performance of the government so far is certainly very-very disappointing. Also there seems to be no cohesion between the minsters, UPA constituent political parties and leftists, inspite of many committees and so-called monitoring and reviewing mechanism.Indian people should prepare themselves for bad days.

Have CPI(M)commented on this?

I feel that you have raised a valid point. SC is the highest judicial authority of India. It should not be seen as taking sides. If it is concerned about killing of muslims and orders re-opening of cases in Gujrat, then it should also be seen concerned about the killings of non-muslims and order re-opening of cases in all parts of the country. There are many cases similar to those of Gujrat riots, Mumbai riots, Delhi Sikh riots are few notables.It is unfortunate that J&K government seem to be working as an agent of Pakistan with full support of Congress.Why SC should keep silent on this? This raises doubts about the neutrality of SC.

Your posts trigger a thought process, and that is good.

Please don't saffronize world history. You are hurting feelings of Arjun Singh.

Did he not have a human face? And why NHRC and other human right activists are silent?

Diplomats should be told that present government is working with a human face. For this government terrorists and innocent Indian people have the same human face.

Where is Arjun Singh? Is he not required to develop and properly utilize human resources? People with BA and MA degree are applying for the job of ward-boy. He should be ashamed of himself and resign. If he does not resign he should be sacked. The misfit is busy taking on RSS. Let him do it as a congress member and some other worthy-of-job person, if available in congress, should be made HRD minister.

But they are still with congress. And are they not a part of CMP, the human face of UPA government? Double talk, double standards.

Hey fancy showcat sorry to remind you. Last time you said that PM and his ministers are not showing their mugs on TV. I requested you to tell that why they were not showing their mugs, but you have not replied. Please tell us why they were not showing their mugs.

Perhaps as per their definition it is not a rape.

By this time she should have understood the compulsions of her husband. Her agony is big or her husband's chair!

All this puts railway administration in a bad light. When in case of Biharis they did it, they can do it for other Indians also. But they will not do it. They are efficient under fear and this is their inefficiency.

These are piecemeal decisions. UPA government should take only one decision that only muslims are entitled for education and all universities, colleges, schools are muslim institutions. Hindus will pay a Hindu-tax to muslims to improve their financial condition. And congress members are exempted from the provisions of this law as they are not Hindus.

No, No, what happened in 1984 were not riots. It was a return gift from congress to Sikhs.The only crimes commited after independence are demolition of babri and Gujrat riots. SC is perfectly right in opening all cases where muslims were killed. Killing muslims is against humanity and God. When Hindus and Sikhs are killed their God feels happy.

You are right. It is a fact that only muslims fought for the freedom of India. In fact Hindus sided with British and killed many muslims freedom fighters. RSS was a part of British fighting machinery. When British started runnung from India, some Hindus like Bapu and Nehru joined Jinnah and started campaigning that Nehru should become PM of united India. Jinnah did not like it and asked for Pakistan. This is the correct history. Are you now satisfied Mohamed from Newyork, USA?

Not we, congress and other Jaichands.

Should SC not direct that this case is tried in another court and with a new prosecuter? OR such decisions are reserved for BJP only? Fining BJP for Bandh and not taking cognigence of other bandhs and strikes. It seems SC has become a member of NHRC.

You are right. And see the illogicality that congress is calling RSS as fascists.

You have missed one point here. Gandhi Ji ultimately compromised and told Jinnah that Nehru is not agreeing to his becoming PM of united India, and perhaps partition is the only solution..

Very nice performance. Meeting target well before time.

And what about Manmohan Singh's human face? Did it also not impressed Sony?

Such politicians should be immediately suspended from MCD till such time they are either cleared by the court or sentenced for their crime. Once sentenced they should be dismissed and should not be allowed to contest election in future.

Congratulations

Are you affected by one of these 2000 cases?

Poor passengers' pockets are not safe.

There is central government in place, only you need to look at it with a human face.

But he is not a child and he was also not born in India as per definition of Kapil Sibal.

Man mohan Singh ka human face.

Will SC now order that case be heard in another court with a new prosecuter?

Did Tasleemuddin commited crime against Rabri government or the state of Bihar which is the people of Bihar? How can Rabri withdraw the case?

Good proposal, but given at a short notice. Send it to Lalloo so that next 16th August he can organize the programme.

But that was the game plan of Nehru and he succeeded in it.

You are right, but let us not talk in this manner about those who have departed.

I am sure congress would not have cancelled the order if tax was being collected by the descendants of the author of Quran or Bible.

Try authors of CMP, might get an answer.

Please do not hurt the feelings of leftists and Arjun Singh.

Due to my busy schedule I could neither see it on TV or read it in the newspaper. Did he promise to sack tainted mainsters and Arjun Singh?

What is fortunate about it?

But after 1947 INC has become a muslim party.

I pray to God that Arjun Singh does not see your message.

Congress has talked in the past about the need of committed judiciary. Have you forgotten emergency days?

Any anti-hindu statement will get media coverage in India.

A hoarding on a busy Delhi street says 'Parivaar ki parampara' with a photographs of members of the parivaar - Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi (God may give peace to the souls of Moti Lal Nehru and Feroz Gandhi). MM Singh must have seen this hoarding.

Arjun Singh should retire from politics. He has outlived his utility. Keeping him in the council of ministers will destroy whatever human resources INdia is having.

I have seen it happening to great people with over-developed brain. You posted a great message which I could not understand. I asked you a simple question, why they are not showing their mugs, but you started avoiding the question. Now you are talking of mental hospital and of having good relation with Thane mental hospital. Please fancy showcat, tell me why they are not showing their mugs? And tell it before leaving for thane.

Please fancy showcat with over-developed brain, don't put such conditions for telling me why they are not showing their mugs.

Now you are talking of Vanwasi Ashram. You say that an animal like name is a fancy name. You say that RSS is unpatriotic. You say that you are fighting untruth. You say that do not hide the truth. You say many things. Now will you please tell me what is your name and religion? You should not hide your great over-developed personality. And by the way under your another post you have still not told me why PM and ministers are not showing their mugs?

Oh great showcat, you are again confusing the issue. It is not my mug and I am not coming on TV. It is PM and his ministers who are not showing their mugs. Please tell me why they are not showing their mugs? And please don't ask me to wait for 5 years when you have the answer now itself.

This message is also returned.

See the greatness of yours. Not even ready to own your message. Have you not used the word 'mugs'? Please O great patriot and over-developed brain, tell me why they are hiding their mugs?

From the language you use, one gets an impression that you are always in a fighting mood. If somebody tells a lie and get satisfaction, why it should hurt you? If somebody says that this or that organization is patriotic why it should hurt you? And by the way what are your credentials to pass judgement on others? RSS is an open organization, but you are hiding your identity under a animal like name, showcat. Actually such behaviour is thuggery. If you are a great person, as you try to show always, then don't allow yourself to get away with this thuggery.

Sorry to come back again. But will you please tell me why are hiding their mugs?

But why not use such language which people with under-developed brain also can understand? See, you are a patriot, have a over-developed brain. Will it be wrong if people like me are benefitted by your knowledge and understanding?

Can't you talk anything other than fighting? And which fight you are ready for? Why does it hurt you if some people call RSS a patriotic organization? Do you or anybody else has a copyright on patriotism?

Why are they hiding their mugs?

Will you consider replacing word 'Racism' in your topic by the word 'Fascism'?

I can name one RSS freedom fighter - there is a person in Mumbai going under the name of whizkid.

One must not use words without really understanding their meaning.One should also have respect for Indian judicial system. But perhaps it is asking too much from a muslim like you living in USA.

Should you not replace 'patriots' by 'traitors'?

It is congress fascism.

In part of India I come from, I have heard muslims raising such slogans.

But followers of Islam are increasing their population that is not proportionate with their resources. In India you will find such muslims in a very large number.

It is because UPA align more with terrorists.

No, it will not be recruitment, it will be merger with congress, left, Lalloo and like him.

You are right.

Fascism was invented in Italy.

He is anti-HRD Arjun.

People live in society. Their religion should guide them how to live with other members of the society . Peaceful coexistence is essential for progress of society and this is the teaching of all religions. If any religios dictate comes in the way of living in peace with other members of the society then it is certain that people are wrongly interpreting that dictate. It is a crime not only against their religion but also against the society.

Of late number of hate-messages on this board has increased. I, as a policy, ignore such messages as I consider them handiwork of anti-national elements (individuals and groups)who are out to create disharmony in Indian society. These people are either motivated by their religious fanaticism or have been recruited by terrorist organizations. Abusing RSS and calling its members traitors has become a favourite passtime of these elements. A majority of them seem totally ignorant of RSS ideology but they do not waste time in abusing RSS on any issue connected or not connected with RSS. It is not necessary that every body should agree with RSS ideology but to express a different point of view why use dirty language. It is not a civilized way of expressing views. SC had long back cleared RSS of all charges linking it with murder of Gandhi Ji. But repeatedly accusing RSS of Ganghi's murder not only exposes illogicity of their thought process but also their contempt for Indian judicial system. I will urge these people to look at their behaviour as a non-partisan observer and decide that who is a traitor, RSS or they themselves?

You call it caste or sect, there is hardly any difference. Now we should stop criticizing Hinduism and Islam for caste or sect system. Both have got nothing to do with religion.

The issue is - should increase in population be justified based on religion?

I grant you your wish - go to Sonia, she will nominate a dalit as PM.

Will it be third time or fourth time?

If information contained in your message is correct then congress as a political party should be condemned for this criminal act.

Fascists are those who use language of your message for others having different point of view.Registering one's point of view and boycotting a meeting full of fascists is a democratic way of debate.

Who misused POTA - politicians or people? Who is most vulnerable to terrorism and needs POTA - politicians or people? People need POTA but politicians are scrapping it.

There are many Holy Books to follow, and of course our positive attitude and common sense.

Flag-bearer of Islam? No, I am a Hindu and respect Islam as I respect Hinduism. It is only when followers of Islam kill Hindus in the name of religion, I feel sad.

You are right, if asked only one out of 100 Hindus will be able to answer what is written in Manusmiriti. What to talk of reading it I have not even seen a copy of it. And still some people keep on shouting Manuvadi, Manuvadi.

You have picked up one word khan and started doing hahahaa. Please answer the question? Are muslims not having a caste system?

You are right. There are many castes in muslims, and they are very conservative.

'Marry only one', 'Marry no one' or 'Marry more than one' - should these things form a part of religion? What religion has got to do with how and whom a person should marry? Such things should be left to the individuals. All problems start when religion start dictating about such issues. As time advances, people start giving their own interpretations to these commands.

If one thinks deeply, he will be inclined to agree with your views. The means may be different but the aim of Al-qaeda and UPA + Left is same.

Whizkid wants a clear answer to his question, but no board user is giving the answer. Let me give the right answer. For all the lapses mentioned in his message, a person working under name whizkid is responsible.

India is already an Islamic (undeclared) country. The only difference from a declared Islamic country is that in India Hindu are not required to pay 'Jajia', tax of being born Hindus.

Who is safe - BJP, INC or Muslims?

A thought provoking message. I feel that POTA should have been made more powerful. But congress-led, left-supported, inner-voice-driven UPA government has decided to repeal it. Reasons being given are more related to its implementation rather than the need of such a law.It is a political decision taken by politicians disregarding safety of the state. The decsion to repeal POTA is against national interests.

What a noble idea? You must have studied in great detail to come out with this proposal.

Yes, you are right that no one should blame religion for its followers' individul act. But I was hurt when you brought in the name of Swami Vivekanand in your message to support your view point. Now do you see a discussion is on about Swami Ji. Are they, I or you competent to discuss about Swami Ji?

It is good to know that such incidents have nothing to do with Islam. But muslims are involved in this and are using practices prevalent in muslim community. Don't you think that you should raise your voice against this and put pressure on the government to take action against such people?

Hey salimkhan, why did you bring the name of Swami Ji in your message. Swami Ji is a highly respected sant of India. Please don't use his name again to support your views. You are giving your views on Islam and you should only use what Islam says or Islamic scholars say. You have hurt my feelings.

What is the meaning of your message? Do you support or oppose such incidents which you call isolated? Mr. salimkhan, don't you feel that something should be done to stop such incidents?

It is clear from your message that you did not like the behaviour of Education Ministers of BJP ruled states during yesterday's meeting held by HRD Minister. I also did not like it. But how it proves that BJP and RSS inspired politicians are Fascists. What credentials you and other so-called secularists have to call them fascists? You say that they don't believe in Pluralism or any discussion or different view point. Every body has a right to have views of his own. They did not agree with the views of congress and other participants, registered their protest and walked out.They did not call anybody names. But what others did? They started calling them fascists because BJP ministers did not act as congress and others wanted them to act. Now who is fascist? Let me make one more thing very clear that the way congress is working in league with communists to distort Indian history is very unfortunate. And it is much more unfortunate that people like you are supporting them in this wrong act. Arjun Singh is playing a dirty political game to consolidate his position in the council of ministers. His target is MMS through a hate campaign launched against RSS. He is a 'Raj Narain' of post-emergency Janta Party government.

I have been reading number of messages posted on the board criticizing manusmriti. I do not understand the purpose of this. No Hindu is being guided by provisions of Manusmiriti. Cast system is slowing vanishing from Hindu society. If it is still evident then it due to the reservation policy and those who support it for narrow gains. It is this section which has created more and more castes one had never heard of. I ask these people to stop talking about manusmriti and devote their time and energy in making India a classless society.

One must review the way and means Patil has adopted to become Home Minister. In the election, he was rejected by the people. Rather than respecting peoples' verdict this shameless person did charan-puja of Sonia. Sonia, who was searching for such disgraced but loyal people made him Home Minister. Later this rejected politician entered the parliament through Rajya Sabha. What good can be expected from such person?

Media should have a balanced approach. It is unforunate that Indian media has a partisan approach in reporting. Politicians use such biassed reporting to spread hate. It is anti-people.

It is really very disturbing.

It is really very disturbing. Kalyug seems to be at its peak. Shaitans are out killing people and destroying institutions of other faiths.

Insanity in a person certainly has some root cause. Arjun Singh can not be an exception. How can he be expected to accept MMS as PM. He did not elect MMS as the CPP leader. MMS was nominated by Sonia, and AS could have also been a choice. He has no ability but certainly he can be a nuisence.

I am sorry to disagree with you that rahat ghotala (relief scam) is being masterminded by bureaucrats on their own. It must be under partnership of Lalloo & Co.

Please don't ask Lalloo to do this. How can he order a probe against his muslim brothers?

British rulers were scared of RSS for the similar reasons congress, left parties and other coalition partners in the present government are afraid.

Congress-led, left-supported, inner-voice-driven UPA government is secular in principles and action both. How can it raise a question when a Hindu is killed in India or elsewhere in the world? Hindus in the government are already cursing their mothers to give them birth as Hindu.

"Lalloo is the cleanest politician not only in India but the whole world", No, No, I am not saying this, this is the inner-voice of Sonia certified by another clean person MMS.

Congress-led, left-supported, inner-voice-driven UPA government should ban person-to-person interaction. This is the only way it will be able to contain RSS and its ideology.

Hike in petrol prices around August 15 will be third or fourth? Yes, this is congress-led, left-supported UPA government's empowerment of AAM AADMI with HUMAN FACE.

And who is to be blamed for floods in Bihar, Maharashtra, Punjab? Now she has started ordering MMS for releasing funds from PM relief fund. In Tamilnadu she had announced one crore on her own.

Your message is reurned to you so that you can read it and try practicing it.

Please don't blame others. Muslims should try to find reasons within themselves that why in almost all parts of the world they are in conflict with non-muslims. If muslims continue looking at every situation only from their point of view then no problem will be solved. They should give consideration to others' view point also. For every conflict, you mentioned above, you are blaming non-muslims. Till what time muslims will continue portraying themselves on receiving side where the fact is that are always on offensive. And please don't try to rope in other non-muslim weaker communities and countries.If the money spent by muslim terrorist organizations on the welfare and upliftment of downtrodden muslims then a new picture will emerge.

Situations you have described above should better be handled by the people themselves depending on the merits and de-merits of the case, rather than religion providing solutions. If these things become a part of the religion then there is every possibility of some people misinterpreting them and start dictating the people to accept their views. This is what has happened in most of the muslim countries whenever their rulers felt threats to their power. Terrorists also use such interpretations to cement their hold on the peoples' thought process.

In those days there was a war between muslims and non-muslims. Today also muslims are engaged in war with non-muslims. Why this war is continued? Why can't it be stopped? Why muslims can not live in peace with non-muslims?

This is one thing I am proud of being a Hindu. My religion does not condemn any religious practice of any other religion. It says that different people worship God in different ways, but the ultimate aim of everybody is to reach Him. It is unfortunate that such a religion and its followers are termed kafirs by muslims. Why Islam condemns every religious practice of Hindus and wishes its followers to destroy Hindu idols and kill Hindus?

You may be an exception. I have a muslim friend who has only one child. But the general trend in muslims is for increasing their population so that they can demand another pakistan. You must have read many messages on this board itself posted by muslims.

You have used hard words for Hindus. I am a Hindu but I am not ashamed of what Modi or others are doing. And why should I feel ashamed as a Hindu of what others are doing? Modi or Togadia do not represent Hindus. If I am asked to comment on what has happened in Gujrat I will say that it should not have happened. Those who were involved in killing people in Gujrat or elsewhere in India, now and in past, are criminals and being a Hindu or a muslim has got nothing to do with it.

How many muslims understand Quran the way you understand it?

No holy book should be read as a critic.

It is nice to read your views. I have a muslim friend and he has only one child. I also have another muslim friend who has thirteen children. He lives in a government colony and his children are always feeling inferior to other children. He can not look after them as a responsible parent. But he justifies this by saying that if Allah has given a mouth then he will also give food for it. Unfortunately number of muslims like my second friend is more and it is resulting in unprecented increase in population and muslims responsible for this justify it on the basis of religion.

No, a criminal is a criminal whether in this party or that party. Soren took bribe but was not convicted as SC refused to take cognigence of a crime he did in parliament. This time he ran away to evade arrest but had been put in jail. There he is trying old criminal tricks of feigning illness so that he can move to a hospital.

I agree with you that rate of increase in resources has not been able to match the rate of increase in population. It has resulted in more poverty, malnutrition and illiteracy and ultimately extremism. It is unfortunate that a large section of Indian people are not understanding it and taking shelter in religion for increasing their population.

Sometimes I feel that SC has become a member of NHRC.

Why not stop this practice of accusing or insulting religions and their followers?

They have perhaps misunderstood the meaning of HUMAN FACE, or they have forgotten what should they do to look like humans.

Who is the conduit, Lalloo?

He may become the 'Raj Narain' of post emergency Janta Party government. The only difference is the his target is PM but the gun is same, the RSS. May be he has been put there to ensure that MMS does not become powerful to challenge Sonia.

You are right. UPA under congress leadership and supported by left parties seem to be bent upon undoing everything done by NDA in last 5 years.In this process fuelled by hatred they may even undo the progress India made in last 5 years.Did voters give them the mandate to clean the slate and start afresh?

If it is true then what Arjun Singh, the champion of seculrism in India, is doing? Does not congress believe that 'once in RSS always in RSS'?

You may be right but it is a compulsion of politics of alliance. In congress-led UPA government there are two untainted politicians who have compromised the most. It is very unfortunate that MMS and PC have put narrow alliance interests above larger public interests.

Prime minister's concept of human face is perhaps not understood by UPA and Left. What is needed is development of human resources available in the government and its various remote control centers.

I have number of times emphasized that religion should not be discussed on this open platform and certainly not in this manner. Religion is a matter of faith. Why one should find fault or other negative things in other religions. We should not speak such words about other religions which we can not hear about our religion.

I love kamalnath. See I don't hate even kamalnath.

I have always advocated that people with tainted background should be eliminated at the stage of nomination itself. Only this can prevent tainted politicians entering parliament. But EC has to work under the framework of rules and presently there is no rule which can check and prevent tainted people from contesting the election. An initiative was taken by SC and EC but all politicians ganged up and defeated the noble move. Only a mass people movement can force the government and politicians to enact a law which can prevent tainted people from filling up the nomination form itself.

HRD minister calling for ignoring a large section of human resource is doing a great dis-service to the nation. The news item was sickening as speaker after speaker had advocated for creation of an anti-HRD policy. I hope that Prime Minister does not listen to all this oral garbage.

It is a pity that MMS (or Sonia) could find only Arjun Singh for such an important minstry. India has a huge human resource potential. A person with positive attitude could do wonders with such huge human resource.

Arjun Singh should first learn basics of HRD. Till then he should be 'Minister for HRD on probation'.

I love you kamalnath.

The most unfortunate thing is that in the name of providing education to minority the congress is only trying to serve its narrow, divisive vote-bank politics. It says that religion should not be mixed in politics and then it is mixing religion in education. There is no difference between the aims and objects of madarsas and congress. At least congress should be honest and rename these madarsas as congressee madarsas.

It is unfortunate that India's HRD minister does not understand the meaning of HRD. Every human being living in India is a national resource and should be developed. If Arjun Singh is going to exclude any person because he does not like his way of thinking then he himself is a liability on nation.His thinking and doing will deprive the country of a very large human resource potential and this in my opinion is a national crime. PM should rise above narrow politics and should think in terms of larger national interest. If he does this thinking honestly then I am sure he will ask Arjun Singh to resign from his council of minmisters.

Mr. Sunder, please ignore such messages. Let us concentrate on our topic.

He is human resource development minister. What experience he has in this field? What is the UPA definition of human resource? Do human resources exit in minority communities only? This discrimination is destructive and with a destructive bent of mind one can not be considered suitable for resource development. I feel that he is unfit for this job and should be removed.

You seem to right, and most probably Arjun Singh has handpicked members of the committee. With such a purpose in mind he will not like to have any inconvenient members who may expose his designs.

Congress-led UPA government has formed a National Monitoring Committee for Minority Education with a view to improving the quality of and access to education among minority communities. It is a welcome move, but why only minority communities, why not majority communities also? UPA perhaps feel that majority communities do not have a need for improving the quality of and access to education. From day one Mr. Arjun Singh has started a disintegration campaign. Education should be used to unite people and not divide them.

It is said that Prime Minister has a prerogative in selection of persons as member of his council of ministers. I am inclined to grant him this right. But as a common citizen of India, I also have a right to know from him the basis on which he has considered a particular person to become a minister. PM should take people in confidence about the credentials of Arjun Singh which in his opinion make him suitable for becoming Education Minister.

Finance minister P. Chidanbaram has urged all state governments to put in place a robust delivery system for services like health and education. It is a welcome step, but why its scope should be limited to health and education only? Every programme needs a robust delivery system. In fact it is not only delivery system which is needed but an effective monitoring and review system is also needed. AND SUCH SYSTEMS SHOULD BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. Another point he made is that a national model for delivery of services could emerge from state specific models. I feel this is simply transferring responsibility to others. Why central government can not prepare a 'National Delivery Model' to be followed by state governments?

Everybody should understand that hate burns and love heals. The Word God has many meanings and Love is one of them. It is very difficult to say to someone that 'I love you'. But once a person says it, his entire personality transforms and he becomes a live manifestation of God.

Ideals are created by people by learning from realities. It is also the people who convert these ideals in realities. Both are inter-related. An ideal situation which seems unrealistic at one time becomes realistic at another time. Only requirement is a positive attitude.

Any decision undermining the federal nature of Indian State should be condemned in strongest terms. It is unfortunate that all political parties in Punjab have given precedence to their dirty vote bank politics over larger national interests. Not even a single saner voice is heard in Punjab on this issue.

There is nothing like demanding or commanding credibility and integrity (C&I) from some body. These are natural personal traits. Every person is to set his or her own C&I standards. For acceptance in the society one has to ensure that his or her C&I standards are within the framework of recognised norms of the society. A person enjoying higher positions in a society is naturally expected to have higher standards of credibility and integrity, as such a person is looked upon by common people as trendsetters.

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Or waiting for directions (from whom every body knows) to act or not to act.

Why do you say 'why'? Everybody knows the answer.

Playing philanthropist at the cost of peoples' money is an essential part of politicians' way of serving people. All parties are game in this act, congress being the champion.

I am of the opinion that BJP, congress and speaker have taken a right decision. Such constructive moves on the part of government, opposition and presiding officer are the essence of parliamentary democracy. By saying this I am not supporting any boycott. I wish to convey that if there is a situation resulting in boycott, it should be resolved without any delay. To call such a development 'BJP falls in line' shows that the thought process behind it is partisan. All three have been responsible for the problem and all three have resolved it. Their supporters should not see victory or defeat of any one of them.

I have been reading many messages posted on this and other boards. Most of them talk of hate or have been inspired by hate. Very few mwssages talk of love. Other day I was reading a story of a man who was trying to bring love back in to thge city he was living in. He had said that only love can save my city. I was very impressed with the story and decided to post a message requesting all board users to bring love back in to their messages.

You consider it a good idea. There must be some other people who also consider it a good idea. If all such people unite and raise their voice then a law will become a possibility and its enforcement real.

There is always hope. Sun rises after a dark night. Criminals should not be allowed to contest elections. This is the only to block their entry into state assemblies and parliament.

Congress with Amrinder Singh as CM and all other political parties supporting him on SYL row should store this overflowing water and should not allow it to go to other states. Afterall it has rained in Punjab and Punjab has a right over it. Other states should request God to give them water like He had given it to Punjab.

Your analysis is quite logical and I am inclined to agree with you, except on one point. Please don't call her Rashtramata. It hurts. She is an ordinary women of foreign origin, living in India with borrowed nationality and citizenship.

May be you are right. Her behaviour surely does not inspire confidence in her attachment to India and its people, as so loudly claimed by her.

The way things are looking presently I am inclined to agree with you. But let me make one thing very clear. As a common citizen of India I do not not wish to see any tainted person in parliament and the government, irrespective of his party, type of taint or gravity of taint.

Tainted ministers were once considered assets by congress. Then they started turning in to liability. Now they are being treated as true liability by the congress. Prime Minister says that he does not want them in his council of ministers but is helpless. There are compulsions of coalition politics. Then he has also to ensure that power does not go in to the hands of BJP. Many people will agree with him. And many people will not. I do not agree with him. It is not compulsion. It is compromise. It is not keeping BJP away from power, but to ensure that power remains with his party and coalition partners.

Topic on this board uses words "tainted tirade". Does it mean that the issue was not real and had been purposely created? If it was a real issue then it will not be diluted till a logical conclusion is reached. If it was a fabricated issue then it will not only be diluted but vanish after some time. But what has happened during last few weeks indicates that the issue is real. Also common people of this country do not want to see criminals in parliament and the government. I will not be surprised if this issue turns in to a peoples' movement to clean politics and politicians.

Punjab stops sharing water with other states saying that it does not have enough water. UPA plus Left ruling alliance at center did not do anything to solve the problem. God then intervened and gave so much water to punjab that its amny areas are flodded.

Increasing population by hook or by crook can not be an aim of any religion. If muslims feel that aim of Islam is to increase Muslim population in the world by hook or by crook, then it must be a case of grave misunderstanding. In my opinion religion teaches how to love and care for people. Providing and satisfying existing peoples' basic needs of food, clothing and shelter should be the aim. Producing more children and leaving then uncared for should be treated as a sin.

President APJ Abdul Kalam has rejected mercy petition of Dhananjoy Chatterjee, but a news item says that it may not be the end of road for him. His lawyer is moving a petition in the Supreme Court under Article 32 of the Constitution for enforcement of fundamental rights. It is opined that as there has been inordinate delay in the matter Dhananjoy deserves commutation of his sentence. I am not an expert on law but is it a fundamental right that in case of delay a criminal will be freed? Another point is that President has two times rejected his mercy petition, but still there is a room for a criminal to get free. Will any knowledgeable user on the board put some light on this issue?

Yes, you are right. From the events so far unfolded, one is forced to get this impression that all required is not being done to secure release of Indians taken hostag in Iraq.

It is unfortnate and rather shameful on the part of congress-led government to deal with this sensitive issue in such a casual manner. Do they have hearts made of stone?

This is a starnge definition of brother. Such concept is found in few cults I have seen in some movies. These people burn with hatred for those who are not members of their cult. They indulge in inhuman practices in the name of pleasing their lord of the cult. But Islam is a religion and not a cult. How come muslims practice their religion in a manner a cult is practiced?

Yes, you are right. God save the human beings from these pseudo-human-rights-champions. Let us all pray to God that all our Indian brothers get released soon including other hostages.

I have seen this minister few times on TV reading out typed statements on the issue of Indian hostages in Iraq. From his manner of speaking and his body language, I always had a feeling that he was disinterested and was not feeling concerned about the safety of the hostages. Now I can understand his behaviour knowing the type of person he is.

It is all really shocking but fortunately nature provides that all evils will ultimately be destroyed and good spirit will win.

Is information contained in this and few other messages posted avbove correct? If yes then it is really shocking. Is congress-led government sleeping as far as India's security is concerned?

And as per PM Mr. Singh's statement such people were made ministers under the compulsions of coalition politics and to keep BJP away from power.

But it will create imbalance in the society resulting in starvation and deaths. Afterall any society will have to cater for the people's daily needs and resources are already declining.

Are you sure this is the aim of Islam sanctioned by Allah? If it is true then world will always face hunger and violance and will never be in peace. I always believed that every religion preaches love and not killing. Islam talks of universal brotherhood but how killing people of other faiths support this?

Was the strength of this moral support behind his successfully evading arrest?

What are these demographic means?

Are you joking or serious about your proposal?

I think Mr. Birju has raised a very valid issue for discussion. I request MB users to restrict their views to this issue only and should not dilute the importance of the subject by bringing irrelivant issues in to the discussion. India is a secular country as guranteed in its constitution. Statement that 'Kashmir is a muslim state' is against this constitutional provision.Central government should take note of this and examine whether such statement should be treated as a crime against the state.

Whether Soren's surrender will dilute the 'tainted' tirade or not will depend on how one looks at this most shameful episode in India's parliamentary system. And yet Soren's case is only one small example of a larger issue, the criminalization of politics. Media is reporting this issue from the point of view of politicians. So far no body has bothered to find out the perception of common people about criminals entering parliament and foisting themselves on the governance mechanism of the country. I am sure each and every common man wants the country to be governed by honest and sincere people.Any politician, belonging to this or that party, small or big, chargesheeted or not-chargesheeted, this type of crime or that type of crime should not be in parliament and should not be allowed to play any role in governance of the country.

Will you please elaborate? Your message is a bit confusing for me. What people you are referring to, those who supported Bhagat Singh, Neta Ji and Azad or those who opposed them?

If people express their will in a collective manner than government and all political parties will have to obey. Courts are of the same view. Ec is ready to enforce it. What remains is that people should get together.

The situation is really very unfortunate. I don't know who is to be blamed for this, the people who are leaving their HOME for unknown places in search of more money or the government who does not seem to be interested in taking any concrete action to create better employment opportunities in the country itself. Previous government promised jobs but no sincere effort was made to fulfill the promise. New government is also promising employment but so far it is only on paper.

Government should address this problem. Why so many Indians are running to other countries in search of a job, even at the cost of their lives?

Last time SC has taken an initiative to block the entry of criminals in the parliament, all political parties ganged up together and frustated that move by passing a bad law. The basic issue raised by the politicians was how to defferentiate between difdferent crimes. If a particular crime is not considered a crime under one law then the person being benefitted only will be happy. On the other hand other people will not be happy and will ask for exclusion of their crimes also from the list. What then will be achieved? In my opinion any activity considered a crime under the law of the land should be considered a crime for banning the entry in parliament. NO DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN ONE CRIME AND OTHER CRIME. ALL CRIMINALS SHOULD BE BANNED.

Prime Minister has said that a law is required to prevent entry of tainted persons in the cabinet. I think that the right stage for preventing the entry of such people is the stage of nomination for election. Once they get in then compulsion of coalition politics or any other reason will put them in the cabinet as ministers.

If showing concern for Indian hostages in Iraq it uncharitable to UPA givernment then towards whom people should look under these situations. Perhaps now God is the only power who can do something for these unfortunate people. Let UPA work according to their priorities. I pray to God to grant wisdom to their captors to release these innocent hostages.

You have not told remaining part of the story. How did Lalloo settled political scores with Yama?

Foes turned friends - at least for this they should thank NDA.

Why not add the names of Arjun Singh nad his communist backers in the list of 20 and try to get the book back on the rail?

On one side floods fill poor's houses with water on the other side they fill politicians' pockets with money.

If he refused to use the car after it had reached the airport then he had not saved the cost of petrol but used more petrol by using his personal car. But if he has instructed in advance not to send government car to airport then I will appreciate his action. It is a matter of attitude and not of saving Rs. 50.

Mr. Mukherjee is very fond of reading statements denouncing opposition for not allowing speaker to have his say. Now he should read out a statement on TV to denounce militants who are infiltrating into J&K and killing innocent people.

If indeed such statement has been made by Amrinder Singh then it very unfortunate. A congress CM is threatening of unleashing terrorism and inner-voice driven Sonia's congress is keeping mum.

An independent commission is already probing Godhra inicident. There is no need of starting another inquiry and that too a departmental inquiry. Departmental inquiries are a waste of time and energy. Their result are already known as they are manned with sycophants, known as convenient officers. Such people posted as members already know what the chief wants to be put in the inquiry report. With this decsion, lalloo has put lot of railway money to to a wasted purpose.

A man faces various types of situations in his life, good and bad. But a real man will try to exploit bad situations also to his advantage. God has kindly presented such a situation before Soren which if he thinks positive can be used to wash-off his taint and make him a leader who leads by examples, a non-existent commodity in India. So far Soren has been playing in the hands of this bad situation. Evading arrest warrant did not help him and he had to resign his ministership. The time is short. He should stand like a man and start facing the situation. He should immediately surrender before law, and at the ame time should apologise to people about his attempts to evade the arrest warrant. He should say that he has realised that it was not correct and every body should respect the law. If he does it he has won the half battle. He should also advise his followers that no single incident should take place in case of his arrest, which may create a law & order problem. He should fight his case in the court. If he is declared innocent by the court then he has washed off his taint. If he is convicted then also he has proved his credentials that he has obeyed the law of the land. His followers have accepted the decision with grace. This will make him an icon of virtue and a true leader.

It is really unfortunate that priorities of politicians do not represent the will of the people. When every Indian is praying for early release of innocent Indians, Government does not seem to be taking any concrete action except talking, talking and talking. Same is with the opposition and other political parties - they are not even talking.

Kidnappers have warned Indian government not to make irresponsible statements. Is Natwar Singh's statement that kisnappers are motivated by money and are ordinary criminals has annoyed the kidnappers? Is it the reason hostage release has been delayed?

Parents of one of the hostages have said that no body, repeat no body, either from state or central government had visited them. Iraqi tribal chief, Sheikh Hisham al-Duami, who is negotiating for the release of the hostages says neither the Kuwaiti transport company nor diplomats in the Indian, Egyptian or Kenyan Embassies have come forward to negotiate. Is this inner-voice driven pro-poor government with a human face is capable only of talks and no action?

Examinations, like any other system in India, has failed to achieve its specified objectives. People who run the systems have no commitment and loyaltu towards the system. Most of them only look for loopholes in the system so that an extra fast buck can be made. Top management is largely responsible for this deterioration in the system. They are not able to provide genuine leadership.

I am an Indian and proud to be an Indian. My religion is one of my personal traits. My religion guides me how to conduct myself in life and what should be my relationship with other Indians. My being Hindu enables me to discharge my duties towards my country in a better and productive manner. As far as other Indians are concerned, I say that they are as Indians as I. I hope that for them also, religion is a personal trait. I can not force any body to agree to my view point.

Mr. Sunder and other MB users, if you allow me I would like to say that India is first India by heart and mind and then Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian. India is a nation and Religion is a personal trait. All are Indian nationals following their personal traits. I feel that once it is understood then there will be no injustice to anybody or discrimination against anybody.

Terrorism has many faces. People who actually indulge in terrorist activities. People who support terrorists with money, arms and information. People who oppose one form of terrorism but support another form of terrorism. People who motivate terrorists in the name of jehad. People who create such conditions in the society that its citizens are easily carried away by the call of terrorism. All are equally responsible for the growth of terrorism.

Sonia has not backed out from anything. She was in politics and she is still in politics. She has more powers now in comparison to what she would have got by becoming PM. She was always for power and now she is running the most powerful power apparatus in the country.

Country is run by administrators under advice of government. Court's internention in administration is not a desirable step, but it is happening. Rather than feeling ashamed of their incapability government itself is referring matters to the courts. The situation is bad and becoming worse everyday.

Is 21st century a century of degradation, and if so then how much degradation can be allowed in this century? Before MMS became PM he was known for his principles but after he took oath as PM his behaviour started creating doubts about his integrity. He could not convert even a single tainted politician but got converted himself and started defending them.

Will you agree if I say that another weak point of BJP is relationship. They do not seem to have good relationship with any body, be it an individual, a group, a political party, media. Even some NDA allies are with them because of other compulsions and not due to good relationship. This is one area where BJP should improve. Their behaviour on various issues and in various situations should inspire confidence in the minds of others.

I know that personal prejudice gets precedence over national interest and various consitutional practices. But still a common man expects some standards from speaker, leader of the house, PM and leader of opposition in their behaviour.

I beg to differ. Propagating the cause of Hindutva had been responsible for BJP rise on a short term basis. It has been proved by recent election. Even if BJP did not fight the election on this issue, it could not convince voters that it has disassociated from this issue. BJP's changing stands on various issues have not inspired any confidence in the people. Vote bank politics of congress, communists and lalloo/mulayam like politicians can not guarantee long term gains and stability.

Parliament is the highest forum where standards are set for the people and the country. Members of parliament as Peoples' representatives set these standards. What standards are being set by the speaker, UPA calition parties, Soren and opposition NDA? Don't respect the law. Don't cooperate with police. Avoid arrest at any cost. Make a mockery of the law of the land. Turn parliamentry proceedings in to a street fight. SHAME ON THESE POLITICIANS.

Yes, I agree with your views that Hindu way of life purports a much higher degree of national-political sense and sensibilities than either the 'secularism' of the Congress or the communism of the Left. But I do not agree that Hindutva should be made a political issue or used by a political party to win elections. I would suggest that BJP members should adopt Hindu way of life and create examples before the people about their sincerity and honesty of purpose in dealing with problems of Indian people. This will give them a permanent edge over other political parties.

Crime against women is crime against humanity. As God has created all human beings, crime against women is crime against God. In our school days we were tought that Gods reside where women are respected (yatra naryastu pujyante ramante tatra devata).

If guidelines given by SC had been followed, and politicians had not ganged up against them to pass a bill, these crminals could not have made to the parliament, as all of them would have been filtered out at the nomination stage itself. Once their nomination is accepted people have very little or no chance to reject them. Elections are rigged by criminals. Many times all candidates have crimianl background. The only way to prevent people with tainted background to enter parliament is checking at the entry point. There should be no discrimination on the kind of taint. All should be treated equal.

Such situations will be avoided if tainted people are filtered out at the entry point itself. Once a crminal's nomination has been accepted people have no choice. Even if he gets one vote he will be elected.

There is no hard or soft Hindutva. It is a way of life. It guides people how to conduct themselves in life and how to relate with others. People may adopt it, or they may not adopt it, or they may adopt some of its principles. If BJP or any other partyy wish to adopt Hindutva way of life then they are welcome.

India has no army in Iraq. Kuwait company who hired three Indians is ready to withdraw its operations from Iraq. With this all demands of the kidnappers have been met. Why the release of innocent Indians is being delayed now?

A law will certailnly help. It is not so easy to register a false case against a person who has an unblemished record of service of the people. And when law is made this aspect can also be suitably covered by providing very stern punishment for registering a false case with the intention of preventing somebody from standing in election. You remember such arguments were given by politicians when SC issued directions to EC in this regard. All politicians grouped together to defeat the purpose, and the result is - so many criminals in the parliament. We, the common citizens, should create pressure on the government to enact such a law.

Whatever argumants are given by the UPA and NDA regarding tainted ministers, the fundamental principle is that persons with tainted background should not be made ministers.But how to check it? The best solution is that such people should be filtered out at the entry point itself. No person of tainted background should be allowed to stand in election. There should be no discrimination as far as the type of taint that person is carrying.MLAs and MPs represent the will of the people and no person with a tainted background can represent such will.

Whenever there is a change in government,it is the political parties presiding over the governance which changes. There is no automatic change in the mechanism of governance. But most of the political parties force this mechanism to change according to their interests. Such changes are made at governors level, in judiciary, in bureaucracy and any other part of governance. If interest of political parties are given precedence over public interest then a regime of mis-governance starts. Decisions taken by the new government are unfortunately pointing towards mis-governance.

I am sorry I could not get the right advice from you about constructive debate. You know so much but will not share the knowledge with me because of my poor understanding. You have prayed to God to bless me. I hope He listens to your prayer and improve my level of understanding, so that I can also become a beneficiary of your knowledge and wisdom.

What advice did you give?

And you are a disgrace to human race. No, No don't answer this post. We Indians do not talk to inhumans.

They say that Islam preaches universal brotherhood. But they act to destroy humanity. killing people in the name of religion is the biggest crime against God.

Islamic militancy has become a threat to the entire world. It is something beyond comprehension that a religion boasting of universal brotherhood has become an instrument for destroying the humanity.

REPLY TO MESSAGE OF amrit_anand (London) - Adjectives such as 'Bastard' are not placed before the name of contries. It is some people who deserve such objectives. By your name you seem to be a Hindu. Your have posted the message from London, which indicates that you are either an Indian citizen living in UK or a british citizen. But in any case your message is highly offensive. It has hurt the fellings of Indians like me. I will not ask you to post an apology as you do not seem to be capable of behaving in a decent human manner. I have read the story. The court has stayed the transfer and the wrong done to the official will be corrected. I would suggest to you to focus on the incidents happening in your country.

Adjectives such as 'Bastard' are not placed before the name of contries. It is some people who deserve such objectives. By your name you seem to be a Hindu. Your have posted the message from London, which indicates that you are either an Indian citizen living in UK or a british citizen. But in any case your message is highly offensive. It has hurt the fellings of Indians like me. I will not ask you to post an apology as you do not seem to be capable of behaving in a decent human manner. I have read the story. The court has stayed the transfer and the wrong done to the official will be corrected. I would suggest to you to focus on the incidents happening in your country.

People have given a fractured verdict, and it was manipulated by congress to capture power. Now people will get a taste of their verdict.

The post is vulgar if it uses vulger words. It is also vulgar if the intentioin is to abuse and hurt somebody, his faith and his beliefs. It is also vulgar if it abuses those who are not using this board. It is also vulgar if it abuses people who have occupied are currently occupying constitutional posts. Criticizing some body is different and can be accepted to some extent, but abusing somebody is not acceptable in any civilized society.

Every right thinking person should welcome and support President's move to refer to SC the decision of Punjab Government. Let us rise above narrow political thinking and start thinking in the larger interest of the people as a nation. If there are problems then every body should discuss and find solutions, rather than taking unilateral decisions affecting other people.

KGL has assured that it's willing to do anything to save the lives of the seven men. "The most important thing for KGL is that the seven people arrive safely and talk to their relatives, whatever that takes," said Rana Abu-Zaineh, manager, KGL. The company is also open to withdrawing from Iraq. Now when their demand has been met kidnappers should relaese the hostages.

Names in top surfers list (TSL) appear based only on the quantity. If quality would have been a parameter then many names will not appear in TSL. I feel that NDTV should remove TSL from the boards.

Neelakandan, you also!

Indian democracy is more than five decades old. People understand the politicians and politicians understand the people. A game is played every five years, sometimes in between also. In evey game people loose, sometrime to this politician and sometime to some other politician. Game is fixed and the result is also known. People will loose and politicians will win.

Why don't you approach NDTV through its CEO?

Is this the only comment you can make on this topic? I was expecting some constructive comments from right thinking and informed users on this board.

Panel members are there to earn money and not to read books. Arjun Singh is also there to earn money. What he is doing is simply that he is tryting to look busy. Moreover he is there with the grace of his godmother's inner voice and his job to be seen as working against BJP. Otherwise what credentials he has to become HRD minster? Has he served the people and the society in last many years when congress was not in power?

The story is about number of rape cases in the national capital showing a rising trend in last three years.Union Minister of State for Home S Reghupathy said in a written reply in the Rajya Sabha. Now what back-entry Rajya Sabha members are doing on this report?

Which crime industry, floated by tainted ministers and their godmother's inner voice?

How their hands are tied by joining the govt of Sonia? Is it a condition for joining sonia and receive the grace of her inner voice?

His terrorist crminal minsters are lions only in their den.

Patil himself is a minister against the will of the people. He was a candidate in last election but was rejected by the people. With the blessings of sonia's inner voice he has become a minister. He has no respect for the will of the people. He is capable only for making such irresponsible statements. Also he is trying to protect his personal interests as he has also taken an unauthorized entry into parliament.

I support your appeal. In fact I have been making such appeals for last few months, but still offensive messages are being posted. I have also started a 'Forum for Decent Discussions' but some users get satisfaction only in abuse hurling at each other, at Hindus and their faith, and also at Indian Nation.But all right thinking users should keep trying to make this board a forum for decent discussions.

In Punjab terrorism could be finished because the people have stooped cooperating with terrorists. As long as people were idolizing terrorists it was growing. But once they realized that the terrorists are plain killers they started sharing information with security forces and terrorism was soon over.

Human right activists including NHRC perhaps find it difficult to condemn killings of innocent people by terrorists as their political thinking is more or less similar to that of terrorists. Moreover they want to prove to international audience that they are progressive and secular. May be one day they are nominated to some national, regional or international award.

Partisan and politicised attitude of NHRC has created more hatred between people and groups, rather than protecting human rights of Indian people.

Do you include in your 'WE' the congress and a large segment of Sikhs who have already forgetten Delhi-riots-84? Sajjan Kumar And Tytler have been elected in last election. Tytler has also been made a minstere. Both of them belong to a party who sponsored the riots inder the PMship of Rajiv, the belived husband of the President of Congress.

I agree with you that the role of NHRC in India should be reviewed forthwith. Almost all issues taken up by NHRC in recent times have failed to inspire confidence in the people about its ability to act in an impartial manner. I feel that NHRC has exceeded its brief and is acting as a custodian of human rights only for a particular section of the people. It has a coloured definition of 'innocent' and 'people who deserve its intervention'.

No. Nobody in his right mind will say that all the people of a particular state are terrorists and anti-India. I can understand and appreciate if your feeling are hurt at such statements. Also nobody can ignore the contribution of people of manipur in bulding a modern progressive Indian nation. I do not know the facts behind the unfortunate incident, so can not and will not offer any comments. But recent case of Ishrat and now this case have confused the people. Media and other activists are seeing only one side of the case, and people at large start giving their own opinions without any facts and figures.

Do you consider Fa5stermind's message posted below (multiple-posting) abusing moderator's wife a congratulatory message?

Further to my reply to your nice post, may I ask you a question! Why did you post an indecent message about moderator's wife? What satisfaction did you get? I am simply disappointed, when you can post good informative messages then why such offensive messages?

Your observations regarding weakening the office of PM are are correct. It is a threat to the credibility of the government. But the real threat to the government is from its partner, the left parties. Read Prem Shankar Jha's article in Hindustan Times of July 23, 2004.

Leading to disintegration of the country.

Does Mr. Chatterjee's new role has no responsibility to provide required assistance to police in discharging their duties? Or this responsibility is only for common citizens?

Speaker has written to Advani that as elected representative of the people MPs must ensure serving the people of this country who are the real masters of parliament. Very pleasing words, but can the speaker and Advani give the name of one MP who is really serving the people? They are serving only themselves and/or their political godfathers & godmothers. Also parliament has become the personal property of tainted and criminal-turned politicians. Speaker himself has said that he was not sitting in parliament to help police in executing an arrest warrant against one minister issued by the court under the provisions of the constitution.

President has rightly referred Punjab state decision to annul water-sharing agreements to SC. If it is unconstitutional then it should be struck down. If constitutional then state government's decision will get approval of SC. Why political parties in Punjab feel unhappy about it?

No, both are not equal. Person taking Rs. 10 bribe has no chance, he will in all probability be punished. But billion $ ghooskhor has almost 100% chances to go scot free.

Whether these criminals get limited or full success, think of the sufferings of those killed and their families. This is the most ugly face of Islamic jehad. Every right thinking person should condemn it.

Condemning terrorism and talking of Islamic jehad - this double speak has become a routine for many muslims across the world. Western world is now realizing it and are afraid of repeat of 9/11. It would be better if congress, left parties and Lalloo like politicians also understand it and adopt a balanced approach as far as Indian muslims are concerned.

Contents of your message certainly deserve a sincere consideration. Seeing the state of terrorism unleashed in the name of Islamic jehad may be other countries will also be advised to follow Norway's thinking. 'A' can not live with 'B' if 'B' says that his religion requires him to kill 'A' as 'A' does not follow religion of 'B'.

I will not like to go to the extent of declaring Islam a deadly poison to any progressive and free society.All religions are good and teach love. There are people who twist the meaning of religious teachings and create hatred in the name of protecting the religion. Such people are found in every religion. It is unfortunate that in Islam the number of such people is very large. Few good muslims try to give right interpretation of Quran but no body listens to them. I will agree that Islamic jehad which is being practiced through hatred for non-muslims is posing a threat to world peace.

Looks like India has bad days ahead.

Congress-led Government is also helping him.

Dr. Manmohan Singh was known for his cleanliness, but after being nominated by Sonia and taking oath as PM he is loosing on this quality. Common people like me, who felt very happy with him as PM, are not so happy today. May God give him wisdom to come out from being exploited and misused by dirty politicians.

Yes, it is the job of the President to protect the constitution, but he is to act under the provisions of the same constitution. I agree that some past Presidents have been involved in violating the constitution, but Dr. Kalam is certainly an outstanding person and he will protect the constitution to the best of his ability.

PMO quickly denied that Soren has submitted his resignation, but is silent on his whereabouts. Governments and politicians always preach that citizens should cooperate with police and give them all assistance. But on their part - the speaker says that he is not sitting there to assist the police. Government is also not assisting the police in executing the arrest warrant issued by the court aganist one of its ministers. What standards the government and speaker are setting?

I am always ready for corrections. Please guide me about the right attitude and approach so that we can have a constructive discussion on the issue.

A nicely composed post. Your analysis and conclusions are logical. One thing which I would like to add here is that the extra-constitutional authority in the form of Congress President is the source cause of undermining the authority of PM and PMO. The entire game has been played to ensure that PM remains only a puppet. CPP has elected sonia as its leader. When she did not take the oath as PM, MMS should have been elected as CPP leader. But he was not even elected deputy leader. He was nominated to take oath as PM, which he did. All other ministers have also been nominated by sonia and head of coalition parties. From this point of view MMS has no special status in the council of ministers. Recent announcement of sonia giving 1 crore from PM's relief fund is only the start of an era of a puppet PM.

Why do you blame the constitution? The people who make a mockery of the constitution should be blamed. You have wrongly included the President in your list. Dr. kalam is the only sane voice in India today.

Please don't include all Indians. There are many Indians who are not ready to accept corruption as a way of life. Don't you see the wide-spread indignation on the issue of tainted ministers?

News from ndtv.com - "The Prime Minister's Office has confirmed that Union Coal and Mines Minister Shibu Soren has not tendered his resignation. Earlier agency reports said that Soren had sent his resignation to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after the Jharkhand Police arrived in Delhi carrying an arrest warrant against the minister in a 30-year-old case." Why PMO is very quick in issuing the clarification? Is it inner voice remote control?

This is not the issue. The issue is whether speaker should have made such a statement.

A minister, a MP, a speaker, a government - what you have mentioned in your post are the standards they are setting for the people!

News from ndtv.com - Lok Sabha Speaker says - "It is not my job to assist the police". Police is trying to execute the arrest warrant issued by the court.In other words speaker is saying that that it is not his job to assist the court. Court has issued the warrant as per the provisions of the Constitution. So what speaker says amounts to that it is not his job to assist the constitution. As a common man, what inference I should draw from this?

Congress-led government does not consider them seperatists but their comerade-in-arms. Government is trying to bribe them. But it is to be seen whether these people will soften their attitude by accepting the bribe.

You call them criminals but congress considers them clean.

What peple can say? It is their verdict in the election which has been manipulated by congress, left and Lalloos.

Puppets are not allowed but ordered. The right term is manipulated through remote control. They don't feel sick but privilaged to lick the dust of the feet of their manipulators.

I really feel sorry for MMS. With this new definition of cleanliness he himself has become tainted.

NDTV is slow in reacting to right advice. They may have their own compulsions. But all right thinking users should immediately take a collective decision to satrt ignore offensive posts and start decent discussions on various topics available on the borad.

Giving 5% reservation to muslims is surely a serious concern for Indian nation. So far, christian missionaries and muslim organizations were busy in converting Hindus to their faiths. But with this step, congress-led government has indicated that now onwards the government machinery will also be used to encourage conversion. Congress under Sonia's leadership will destroy India.

Let us hope that law is allowed to take its course and parliament is rid of tainted people.

I agree with your views. Regarding removing top surfers names, I have posted number of messages on various boards. I have also written separately to NDTV, but I do not know under what compulsions they are not removing it. NDTV should agree to this and remove all earliers posts and make a fresh start.

Sometime back I had posted following message for discussion under the topic of this board: "I have often wondered what is the contribution of Rajya Sabha in the governance of India. Can a more-informed user throw some light on this?" But no interest has been shown by the users in this subject. Most of the users continue posting offensive messages abusing each other, their faith, their religion and also those persons and groups who are not board users.I invite right thinking users to come forward and start decent deiscussions for which this board has been created by NDTV.

A right decsion. Join Forum for decent discussions - ignore all offensive posts.

News fron NDTV.com - "The law has finally caught up with Mohd Shahbuddin, fourth time RJD MP from Siwan, accused in 36 cases of murder extortion and kidnapping". But as per new definition given by Congress he is clean. Bravo Shriman Manmohan Ji tusi great ho.

As per your post Tripura congress President has been arrested on the charge of murder, and you say that he is untainted.

Administration, be it in public or private organizations,has never been pro-active. Indian people also at large are not pro-active. Safety of people has never been a concern for successive governments both at states and center. Even the life of a common citizen of india has been considered cheap. Recently police took no time in tracking down and arresting alleged killer of a british girl, but years have been wasted in investigations of other murder cases and no body has been arrested. It is this negative attitude which is responsible for such unfortunate school fire incidents.

There can't be two opinions on that past can't be changed. But people should draw lessons from the past to enjoy the present and shape a enjoyable future.

What you wanted Sonia to hear through her inner voice - protecting soren or removing him from ministership? And what is that voice of Indians and Constitution which was ignored by Sonia? Will you plese clarify so that I can appreciate your message in a better way.

I received another post from you and now this post on the issue of arrest warrant issued against Soren. You have used word 'secular' as an adjective for Soren. Is there any rule that Court can not issue a warrant of arrest against a secular minister? Is it also rule that police can not execute such warrant? Now in this post you wish, long live Indian democracy. You seem highly disturbed on this issue. Before arresting the minister, police will take Speaker into confidence. So don't worry, Indian democracy is safe in the hands of the Speaker.

Is boosting conversion to Islam is one of the agenda points of CMP?

What do you mean by 'HER'. Is redindian a lady? If it is true then I am shocked. A lady sending such posts!

Is it the reason for Punjab stopping water flow. It wants Rajasthan to buy water fron Pubjab?

I received your message through NDTV.com but I am sorry I am not able to understand what you wish to say. There is no also no topic mentioned. Could you please be more claear in your message?

What do you mean by 'minister becoming so strongly untainted'?

Same political parties are ruling at center and these states. Such actions will only put India's federal character in problems. I feel that these parties are not acting in larger national interest.

Thanks. I am sure that you will not regret your decision. We are human being and try to be nice human beings. Let us not be provoked by anto-humans.

I am sure you will not regret your decision.

Being proud of some people or their family is one thing and allowing them to interfere in government decision making is altogether a different issue. If Sonia is PM or holding another post in the government her being a part of decision making will be a normal act. But she is not holding any position in the goevernment. Her speaking on behalf of PM or trying to influence government decisions is wrong and should not be allowed at any cost.

Anybody, I repeat Anybody, not a part of the government but trying to manipulate government decisions, is wrong. Such people become extra-constitutional authorities and it puts credibility of the government in question.Also such situation may also put country's security and integrity in danger. We are common citizens of India. We should look at issues from national point of view. We should not try to justify a wrong action of one party by saying that same action was also taken by another party. Actions of both parties are wrong.

If any such dicision has been taken by a person not holding any position in the government, in the states quoted by you, then that decision is also wrong. Let us not try to justify the wrong act of congress because BJP also took wrong decisions. There is a defined system of decion making and there are people who are authorized to be a part of decision making. No body else can be allowed to even to know what decision is going to be taken or has been taken. If some body has become so powerful that he or she can even manipulate government decisions then it a major security breach. And in case it is the PMO.

Reply to the post of anand_goldenglow. If any such dicision has been taken by a person not holding any position in the government, in the states quoted by you, then that decision is also wrong. Let us not try to justify the wrong act of congress because BJP also took wrong decisions. There is a defined system of decion making and there are people who are authorized to be a part of decision making. No body else can be allowed to even to know what decision is going to be taken or has been taken. If some body has become so powerful that he or she can even manipulate government decisions then it a major security breach. And in case it is the PMO.

Reply to anand_goldenglow. If any such dicision has been taken by a person not holding any position in the government, in the states quoted by you, then that decision is also wrong. Let us not try to justify the wrong act of congress because BJP also took wrong decisions. There is a defined system of decion making and there are people who are authorized to be a part of decision making. No body else can be allowed to even to know what decision is going to be taken or has been taken. If some body has become so powerful that he or she can even manipulate government decisions then it a major security breach. And in case it is the PMO.

The point is not whether she can or can not become the PM, the fact is that she is not the PM. She has no position in the government.

How Sonia is both leader of congress party and opposition party leader? She may have faced the election as a superior candidate, the fcat is that she is not PM. Manmohan Singh may not have faced the election but he is the PM. Only PM can take such decisions, and not she. She may be very powerful in the party but she has no position in the government. What has happened is a security breach of PMO and a matter of national concern relating to safety of India and its people.

Is she telling the truth that PM has asked her to make that announcement? There is a system of taking such decisions in the Government. Was a decision taken by PM to give one crore from PM's relief fund, and was she authorized to make that announcement? And if so, why PM did not make that announcement himself? If Sonia is so powerful to manipulate PMO for taking such decisions then is it not a security threat for the country?

Congress,communists and other self-serving politicians are feeding on this hatred against Hindus. The more is the hatred the more strong they become. Unfortunately other parties and groups have played in to their hands. They have wasted all their energies in giving such statements and taking such actions which have only added fuel to the fire. Take one example - congress has been telling muslims that Hindus will throw you out of India and one Hindu leader says that babar ki aulad bharat chodo. Now I am trying to tell right thinking users on this board that they should not play in the hands of these dirty abuse hurlers. They should not reply any post which is offensive, abusive, anti-hindu, anti-national. We should concerntrate on board topics and participate in the discussions in a decent manner.

Perhaps this is the first time in the history of independent India that a person not holding any position in the government has made an announcement of giving one crore from National Calamity Fund. She may say that PM has asked her to make this announcement. But why PM himself has not made this announcement? Is it because he is not capable or not in a position to make such announcement? Are they running a government or making a joke of governance?

Political parties named by you will continue doing what they have been doing for many years. But what other parties are doing except playing in to their hands. With their foolish election campaign they have handed over the power to these parties on a platter. For six years they were in power, but they could not inspire an iota of confidence in the people about their sincerity and honesty of purpose. No purpose will be served by accusing other parties. The only solution is taking everybody with you. They should not be seen as representing only a group of people. Positive attitude is the key. Let us create a win-win situation.

You are right. Every Hindu will be hurt after reading such posts. Such hate campaign against Hindus and their faith is not new in India. Many leaders of congress (Abhishek Singhvi - if you have read my post), left parties, Lalloo, Mulayam, they have all been abusing Hindus and their religion for years.I have always felt that people abusing you are encouraged if you take cognigence of their abuses. If you ignore them then after some time they will fade away.

But how the President of a political party offer financial assistance on behalf of the PM?

Do you mean to say, new government has taken a wrong start? What they are doing was expected from the opportunistic political formation at the center.

Whether BJP is under pressure from Sangh to guard Modi is an open secret. Now it is time to remove this topic from the board.

I have already answered your question. Let me answer it once again. Any body trying to defend a tainted person is also tainted.

As per the news, he gave a clean chit to Shibu Soren. In my opinion any body trying to defend a tainted person is also tainted.

I am not replying to any abuser. I am only requesting that users should not reply to offensive/abusive messages. It will certainly discourage abuse hurlers. Abuses continue because both sides post abusive messages. If one side stops answering abusive messages then after some time other side will also stop. My request is to right thinking users on both sides.

Latest news from NDTV.com - " Pakistan today strongly pitched for expansion of the SAARC Charter to allow discussion on bilateral disputes, a euphemism to rake up Kashmir in the regional grouping." But it is silent on what was the reaction of Indian delegation.

But people who have forgetten anti-sikh riots have not forgetten and also not allowing others to forget Babri and Gujrat. With a hope that BJP can be troubled, UPA government has now remembered Godhra. You are right that not only tainted ministers but tainted MPs should also be removed.

I agree that no one should make this issue a political issue and let's all of us pledge that we will fight for the mandatory standards for all type of schools and sufficient safety measures. As a first step, let every one of us inquire from our school if it has taken a certificate from statutory authority that the school is safe from fire safety point of view. In case any school is not having this certificate, we should report it to the police/fire-department.

The latest news on www.ndtv.com - "A local court in Jharkhand has issued an arrest warrant against him (Sibu Soren,a tainted minister in UPA government) in a 29-year-old case, where some people died during a political rally."

But why give a hint? Why not make the message clear? Afterall a message is for others and if they can not understand then what is use of giving a message. You are talking of accepting lesser evil. But why accept evil at all? If you, as a coomon man, feel that tainted ministers should not be there then say so.

A nice gesture. Let this be an example for others.

The Congress chief has announced a compensation package of Rs 1 crore for the victims of the Kumbakonam fire.A noble gesture. But in what capacity she has made this anouncement and this 1 crore will come from which fund?

You are supporting a wrong by giving example of another wrong. As a common man what is your opinion about tainted ministers?

They are encouraged to post abusive messages because you answer their posts. A have been appealing to all right thinking board-users not to answer offensive/abusive messages but still offensive posts are being answered. WHY DON'T YOU IGNORE THEM?

My appeal is for all right thinking people. There is no first and no second. And there are no names. Anybody who does not post an offensive message is welcome. Join and stop answering offensive posts. IGNORE THEM. Post your message in a decent manner.

Have you ever thought that these abuse hurlers are getting encouragement because you are answering their posts. Please do not spoil our plan. We want to remove these people from the board. Stop answering these offensive posts.

But someone somewhere has to set standards. Politicians,on their own, will not set any standards of disciplined behaviour, integrity & honesty, respect for people's will and trying to become a true representative of the people. The voters will have to organize and set these standards for the politicians. Any politician and party not meeting these standards should be rejected once for all.

narender_modi, please join the "Forum for decent discussions". IGNORE OFFENSIVE POSTS. Don't answer any offensive, abusive, vulgar message. Post your views related to the topic of the board. Let us have decent discussions.

You are right. There are many urgent issues needing attention, safety of railways and its passengers is one of them. Trains reaching their destination is another important issue which should be tackled immediately. Instituting another inquiry is waste of time. Also Railway Act does not allow another inquiry when a commission is already inquiriung in to the matter.

Please try to understand. Abuse hurlers get encouragement when people take cognizance of their abuses. Right thinking people should not bother about them. Obce this "Forum for decent discussions' take a definite shape, we will approach NDTV as a group and force them to take appropriate steps to remove these abuse hurlers from the board.

I am a Hindu, proud to be a Hindu and proud of my country. Hindu way of life guides me how to conduct myself, and controlling my normal instinct is one of such guidelines. Have you ever seen an elephant walking on the street and many dogs barking at him? Elephant is too majestic to bother about barking dogs.

trishool, please listen to me. Ignore offensive posts. Don't answer them. Post your message related to the topic. Let us have a decent discussion.

Right thinking board users, please join "Forum for decent discussions". IGNORE OFFENSIVE POSTS. Post your topic related message. Let us have decent discussion. After the forum gets a definite shape we will approach NDTV administration to take appropriate steps for removal of all abuse hurlers from the board.

trishool, please ignore offensive posts. Post your topic related message. Let us have a decent discussion.

truthsayer and chug65, please ignore offensive posts. Post your topic related message. Let us have a decent discussion.

Please ignore offensive posts. Post your message on the board topic. Let us have a decent discussion.

Chugh65, please listen to me. Don't bother about these offensive posts. Our startegy is having the desired effect. Ignore such posts.

Sunder, have you read two articles which appreaded on www.dailypioneer.com about real facts on Gidhra incident? If not so far,then read sherry_k's post on board down the line. I invite other right thinking people also to read these articles.

Listen to me friends. Let us give a shape to this "Forum for decent discussions". Through this forum we will make NDTV see reason and protect their board from abuse hurlers. Through this forum we will pressure on this abuse hurlers to either withdraw from the board or post only no-offensive messages. Ignoring their every offensive post will be forum's biggest strength.

The very purpose of my appeal is to ignore these abuse hurlers. Do not take any cognizance of their offensive posts. No body can abuse our nationhood. Our nation is not so weak that such people can do any harm to it. Don't retaliate. It will be our strength and their weakness. Regarding filtering of non-offensive posts we can take up this with NDTV authorities at appropriate level. "Forum for decent discussions" can be used for such intervention.I have already written to News Editor, ndtv.com in this connection.

Let us change the mindset. The aim should be empowerment. Reservation could only be considered as one of the means to empowerment. After 50 years, people are still talking of reservation. This is one indication that it has failed to achieve desired results.

I appeal to all right thinking users on this board not to answer offensive posts. Your answering their posts encourages them to post more offensive messages. Post only topic related messages and in a decent manner. Board has been created to serve as a e-platform for decent debate and not for abuse hurling.

I appeal to all right thinking users of this board not to answer any offensive post. this is a board for decent debate and let us protect it from becoming a platform for abuse hurling.

OK with me. You are welcome to your ideas. I am not against people. It is only their attitude which matters. If one has a positive attitude he sees good, but if one has a negative attitude he only sees bad.

You are wrong aatank. Truth does not hurt. It is the greatest healer of pain. What is wrong with some people is that they look at every thing with hatred for others. You start looking with love and then you will find a big change in your attitude.

I appeal to all right thinking users on this board not to answer offensive posts. Your answering their posts encourages them to post more offensive messages.

Your posts are highly offensive. You are a muslim and posting such abuse in the name of Islam. You are committing a crime against Allah.

It is not only my business but of every right thinking person on this board. I ONCE AGAIN REQUEST YOU TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE MESSAGES.

A sensible post coming from the champion of surfers posting abusive messages. Now act according to your own request.

This is yet another vulgar and abusive message from an anti-indian.

Not only your message is offensive but your ID is also offensive. Your abuses are not appreciated and returned to you.

Why are you posting highly offensive messages? It has become a fashion on NDTV board to post messages abusing Hindus, their religion and their icons. It is not correct. To whatever faith they may belong, I am sure their own faith does not allow such abuse of other faiths. And what are they getting, only some sadist satisfaction. They are committing a crime of spreading hate and it is against the teachings of every faith. I request them to stop posting these offensive messages.

Some users are posting highly offensive messages. They are abusing Hindus, their religion and their icons. It is not correct. To whatever faith they may belong, I am sure their own faith does not allow such abuse of other faiths. And what are they getting, only some sadist satisfaction. They are committing a crime of spreading hate and it is against the teachings of every faith. I request them to stop posting these offensive messages.

Attention MB users. Read articles pointed out by sherry_k. See how Lalloo is making a fool of his supporters by inciting them with wrong facts and figures.

Reservation is not the right word. It should be empowerment of down trodden and deprived section of society. And you are right it should not be on the basis of one's caste or religion.

Another example of an abusive and anti-national post - your post of July 17 - "right u r. rss is a blot on the nation & the saffron color". You are unnecessarily dragging saffron colour in your message. Saffron is a pavitra rang, which is the colour of clothes of saints, colour of Swami Vivekananda's clothes was saffron.

Another example of a vulgar post - your post of July 17 - "hang modi & that naked george".

Another example of an abusive and anti-national message - Your post of July 124 - You called Ex-PM of India a traitor -"because he is a traitor".

You wanted me to show you a post from you to prove that you are anti-national. Well this post of yours is one such example. You have yourself called vajpayee a beggar, and as per your own post, you are anti-national.

No,issues are opposed or supported through debate. Individuals, groups or parties found engaging in terrorism and other crimes should be dealt by law of the land.

You keep on posting abusive and anti-indian messages, but cry when a truth is told about you. You want me to point out a vulgar message you posted. I have been telling you that you read your messages and you will find all of them are vulgar. But you do not dare to read your own messages. Yesterday I thought that you have some human feeling left in you. But I was wrong. You are still pposting abusive and vulgar messages.

Kasmiri pandits are not cowards. But kamalnath is sure a coward who ran away from his home and surrendered his born-faith to christians for some monetary gains.

You call Vajpayee a traitor. Only yesterday you were crying as you were called anti-indian. I was hoping that you understand that by calling such names and abusing others you hurt their feelings. But you have not understood. You continue posting anti-indian messages.

And redindian you are a bad joke on humanity.

aatank made a request to soniji but you say ok, agreed. Are you soniaji posing as redindian on this board?

Your post will certainly create aatank. May I make a suggestion, aatank is an adjective not a noun. You may consider changing your user ID to aatankvadi, a noun.

What a foolish question to ask! Majority of schools are not having any fire safety measures. If in some schools there are some fire extinguishers available then no trained staff is avialble to operate them in case of a fire. No fire drills are carried out and no body bothers about maintenance of fire extinguishers. No emergency plans are prepared. How fire department gives a license to operate school in a building before the building has been declared safe from fire point of view? NDTV, instead of putting such a foolish question on its board, should organise a team of experts and investigate whether schools are having proper fire safety mechanism. MB users have rightly used this board for praying to God for unfortunate children, and to express their anguish and resentment against adminstration of school and concerned officials in the Government.

Who is No. 1 shameless politician of India? Any answers MB users?

It is unfortunate that Indian media has lowered its standards to such an extent that the greatest icon of tainted politicians has become their hero.

In a democracy, Government represents will of the people. Present goevrnment has failed so far on this point. Let us take few examples. Tainted people were made ministers. Politicians rejected by the people were made ministers. Four Governors were sacked. Are these the will of people? I wish that new givernment will act as a representative of Indian people.

An inquiry will be ordered. After some time a report will come. Newspapers will give news for few says then this news will disappear from news columns. School principal has been arrested, will be released on bail or otherwise. Some government officials have been suspended, will be re-instated after some time. PM has expressed his concern. CM has paid a visit. Compensation has been announced. Some portion of it will reach the victims. What more do you want?

NO. They issued statements that VHP and Bajrang Dal should be banned and their leaders should be arrested and put in jail.

God save USA. If this icon of tainted politicians succeeds in his plans then Americans are going to have shock of their life.

We, the people, discuss it because we are affected. Other countries discuss it because they are affected. These countries want us to join their fight against terrorism, but in our problem they offer only lip sympathy. Indian Government is busy in undoing what was done by previous government. Indian secularists cry foul when terrorists are killed by police. As per their definition terrorists are innocent citizens.

Indian politicians are a disgrace. They have no self respect. US treats them as errant children. US officials/ministers come, do some arm twisting and give directions how to behave in future and go. Besharam politicians pat on each others' back claiming that they have pleased their masters.

Safety is not an agenda point for administration and people. Inspite of many such accidents, concerned people do not learn and take preventive measures. It is really sad.

What BJP thinks and does is its problem. We common citizen of India should keep on opposing tainted ministers. Present government does not inspire confidence. It is not a representative government of peoples' will. And all this is because of tainted ministers.

Yes, I also remember reading a news item about this report in congress-owned Hindustan Times.

You are right but secular government is busy in doling out money to tainted ministers and reversing decisions of previous government. They want to win coming state elections. And jehadi terrorism is not directed against them so why they should worry about it!

Your posts are shocking but true.

India has again become Jaichands'gallery. Self-appointed custodians of secularism were doing their best to ensure that above plan succeeds. Now the governance of the country has come in to their hands. TV, press, radio, film world, educationists, judiciary everybody is taking their place in the final assault line up.

I don't want to believe it. May God save Ibdia.

Muslim users on this board may please answer whether they support above statement of the Saudi Professor.

In a democracy Government represents the will of the people. But no government in any state of india and also at center represent peoples' will. In fact Indian people have never had a representaive government. Indian politicians have failed the people and the country. Criminals get themselves elected by terrorising people or exploiting their emotions and then rule the people. No body bothers what a common man thinks.

Very good.As far as I am concerned I am happy and proud to a Hindu.

You have still not understood. I oppose or support issues and don't mix personalities in to the discussion. I am opposed to all form of terrorism irrespective of its origin, a person, a group, a political party or a religious organization. I don't believe in calling names.

Sonia's inner voice told her to hobnob with muslim leage, leftists and of-course Lalloo. She directed her niminated PM to do the hounours. He gladly did but in the process lost his clean image.

India's first nominated PM,Manmohan Singh is a personification of Sonia's inner voice. He will do what he is told to do. He was known to be clean but defended tainted ministers. He then gave 3250 crores to a tainted minister. He dismissed four governors for committed governors. The list is very long.

I fully agree with you.

No vatanparast i will not agree with your last para. Why should I feel ashamed to be called an Indian. I am an Indian and I am proud of that.

We are common people and should guard our interest. We should not be guided by what politicians speak or do. They work for themselves and not for the people. What Lalloo has ordered is a departmental inquiry, and these inquiries onbly bring out pre-decided reports. Lalloo is repeatedly talking about the incident and airing his views in open interviews.All his utterances will affect the inquiry. People who will be asked to conduct the inquiry will have their agenda already decided by these utterances. This excercise is a waste of time and money, and will only create more bad blood rather than bring out the truth. Regarding kullhad, I am not able to understand why this step is being projected as a great step. What is so great about it? Tea was being served in kulhads earlier also. There was no ban on kulhads. Kulhads may be good for serving readymade tea, but it will spopil the taste of tea prepared by passenger himself from hot water, tea leaves, milk and sugar supplied separately. Kulhad will also spoil the taste of coffee. I am not against khadi. But an expert committee itself has given its opinion aginst the use of linen and window curtains made from khadi from fire safety point of view.

No, you have not condemned all terrorists. I did not ask you to name terrorists. You did it on your own. You named Modi as a terrorist. I wanted to show your bias by asking about other names which come to your mind when you think of terrorists. But you shied away and did not name any other terrorist. Are you afraid of naming them or you support other types of terrorism? I actually asked you to post a message for terrorists. This you have not done so far. But there is a good thing. You accept that you are biased and you want to try to overcome that bias. I do not support terrorism, in any form and from any people, group or party. No body has a right to kill any body. No body can give life so how one can take somebody else's life. Life is a fift of God. Only God has a right to give or take life.

Yes for common people, it should not be acceptable, irrespective of the party, group or people. Common people expect a certain quality of behaviour from their representatives.

No body is against Lalloo as a person. What people are against is his policy of spreading hate,unprofessional system of governance, and treating democratic instututions with contempt. One inquiry is already underway. A departmental inquiry has no credibility and are ordered only for producing pre-decided reports. Kulhad and khadi are populist measures for those who are not informed. Khadi is highly fire prone, and no sane person will use it in train compartments. It is a safety risk. Kulhad is not a practical alternative to food-grade plastic glasses.

Please read my reply posted agianst your other message. Be constructive. Forget about others. Focus on yourself.

Now let us settle this matter once for all. The fact is that you have been hurt with my calling you anti-indian. And I congratulate you for this. Whatever you are but you do not want to called anti-indian. And believe me I did not feel happy for that. I am sorry I have hurt you. Now please think. With this hurt within you, can you now understand how much hurt you have caused to Hindus by abusing them and their religion. How much hurt you have caused to RSS and its members. How much hurt you have caused to other users by abusing them.Please think over it. You can post your views without hurting others' feelings.

Now you have brought Vajpayee in the discussion. This is the problem with you.The hate you are nursing aginst some groups and people has taken over your power of reasoning. Shed this hatred and be a normal human being.

You keep on reverting back but do not read your own posts. I am not challenging you or accepting any challenge. These are your posts. You created them. Read them and decide yourself their worth.

NO. But at least I can give you some advice. You were begging for 1.2 chaddi, and NDTV does not allow begging on its MB so I directed you to follow an experienced begger on the board.

With rabri taking care of Bihar, Lalloo has come to center to hold the charge of an important ministry. His aim is to wipe off his taint and convert railway's wealth in to his personal wealth.Sonia's inner voice and manmohan singh to clean his taint, and FM to give him 3250 Crores he is having all advantages. Now to take care of the people he has to makepromises.Funds have to be given to reach right destination. It is simple arithmatic.

I do not want to be harsh, but all your posts are full of hatred and abuse to Hindus and their beliefs. Hindus constitute a majority in this country. If abusing them and their faith is not being anti-indian then what else will be. By saying so, I do not mean that abusing other communities is not being anti-indian. Also, spreading hatred is anti-indian. Please read your messages you have posted on this board and decide yourself. I am sorry if I have hurt you.

Bah ksmail, a nicely constructed message. Congratulations. You are prefectly right that future can be secured by learning from the past, but certainly not by living in the past or by imposing past on present & future. You have added five adjectives before Lalloo's name - uncultured, uneducated, criminal, ganwar, bihari. You seem to be his true follower. And please try to understand, I am not a high profile person. I am a common Indian citizen like you. I try to be positive in my views and my relationship with other Indians. And there is no betterlife & co. I am an individual.

Can becoming top surfer be a mission? I think being a part of a decent debate should be the aim.Posting views with honesty and sincerity, and respecting others' views is what counts. Quality is important and not the quantity.

People friendly government with its head has become tainted. Distribution of natural resources will also be done in the same manner as man-made resources are being distributed (3250 Crores to Lalloo). In Bihar, people die every year in floods. But this is the time to wipe off the taint and convert railway wealth in to personal wealth. Godhra will keep Lalloo protected till he wipes off the taint through manipulation of Sonia's inner voice. Sonia's inner voice is currently guiding her on AIDS. Common people will have to wait till next election. Their ytility is over for this five year period.

Leave the board. Follow redindian.

May God protect India from this inner voice.

yes, I agree that redindian is not an Indian but has he ceased to be a human being also?

OK,ksmail from Kolkata. Let Lalloo deal in past.You take over the development of railways in present and make it number one railways in the future world.

Yes you are right. Lalloo should concentrate on various promises he made related to cleanliness and other improvements in railways. Last week I travelled between New Delhi and Kanpur. Platform was full of litter, and rail track between platforms was stinking hell. It seems that no body in railways is taking him seriously. They perhaps feel that Lalloo is interested only in making hollow promises.His real interest is in wiping off the taint and creating personal wealth.

But from the posts of this redindian one gets a feeling that he is anti-indian.

So what are you doing here?

Will you consider giving reservation on communal basis(5% to muslims)salvation for you, an Indian, as I hope you want to see a truly India?

redindian you really seem desparate. But no body can give you anything as NDTV does not encourage begging on their board.

What is eating you man. You seem hurt. Come out say your piece.

When it will be redindian ka bolti bandh? NDTV MB has become tainted with his presence.

To find sense in my posts you have to have some sense. Discard one-track thinking. Come out of hatred syndrome. Develop a positive attitude. These are primary requirements to understand reasoned and logical messages.

Begging on NDTV MB is not encouraged.

redindian, are you aware that you are loosing your grip over logical reasoning?

Why are you shying away from reading your own posts?

As you have entered this chain of messages, let me brief you. I asked Iqbal to post a message for terrorists. He did not post any message but started abusing Modi. When I asked him whether any other name came to his mind when he thought of terrorists, he is keeping silent. Now you post a message for terrorists and also tell us what names came to your mind when you thought of terrorists.

You have a one track mind redindian.

Yes, what about them?

Truth is natural. People with destructive mind are calamity. They try to hide or distort the truth with manipulated data in the name of facts. Have you ever stood in front of a mirror and looked at you with truth in your eyes? If no, then do it now. You will be surprised to know yourself.

I thought you have at least that much sense to ubderstand the mindset behind such reports.

Read posts in your data base.

Idol worship may be haram in your religion. But for Hindus it is an acceptable practice.You read Holy Quran and follow its teachings. Let others also follow teachings of their Holy books. You should not comment on religios practices followed by others. I think it is one of the teachings of Holy Quran.

redindian says that the last government played politics with natural calmities. But it did not have any effect on natural calamities. The proof is that redindian is here.

Mr. badvani, you are asking RSS to answer your question. But why on this board? Visit their office in New delhi and ask. You will get your answer. As far as this board is concerned please stick to the topic of the board.

Sonia's bhindranwale!

Has inner-voice-driven Sonia been awarded Bharat Ratna?

Hey badvani, you seem to have lot of information about RSS. Is it based on your personal experience?

What she is doing in AIDS conference? Is India's health minister not competent to attend this conference?

No Mr. Dhillon please don't think like that. Punjab is a part of India and every Indian is proud of Punjab and Punjabiat. There will always be some people who will talk of division and hatred. Such people should be ignored. They are encouraged because other people take cognigence of their filthy views. There is another problem as pointed out by you. People do not have complete information about an issue. Politicians and other destructive people take advantage of this and create differences between the people by feeding misinformation. Common people start reacting just on what they see or hear. They have no means for knowing the truth. Water is a ntural resource. No person or state can claim exclusive right of ownership on water. It has to be shared by all. To ensure this, some checks and balances are to be built in to the dustribution system. What Punjab CM is doing is being looked in to by the common people as a political game. Same party is ruling at the center,but it is not talking to its state unit but approaching the court. This has created suspicion about real intentions of congress and its governments at the state and center .

The problem is that many people, Mr. Badvani being one of them, form their opinion based on hearsay. They do not try to ascertain facts. Many uers of this board, abuse other people without acually knowing them. Some even go to the extent of abusing other religions and their icons. And because somebody else has also said that. The main reason for this is that people's attitude is not positive. They see only bad things, bad acts, bad thinking in others. They do not look for good things. If they start looking for good points they will start finding good things.What we see is what we search.

Your message shows your bias. I asked you to post a message for terrorists, and you singled out Modi. No other name or group came to your mind. Such attitude encourages terrorism.

Your logic is that when Advani & MMJ were in the ministry so Lalloo should also be there. You are trying to correct one wrong by doing another wrong.Such statements are given by dirty politicians. Common men should not talk like this. For a common man an act is either right or wrong irrespective of what political formations or other groups are saying. Such biassed thinking encourages these politicians.

Have you read the forensic department report? If yes then quote from it. If not then first read it and then comment. Godhra incident is already under inquiry. A report will shortly be available. Does India need another inquiry, and that too a departmental inquiry under direct control of the greatest icon of taint, Lalloo? You talk of innocent muslims being tortured. Are people belonging to other communities not being tortured and killed? Are they not innocent? You also talk of being human beings. You want others to behave like humans but what about terrorists? Do you have any message for them?

Lalloo is a tainted minister. Whatever may be Sonia's inner-voice or Manmohan Singh's tainted defense, Lalloo in council of ministers is a blot on democracy. He is misusing his position as railway minister to divert attention from his criminal acts. He has ordered Godhra probe as he is railway minster. He would ordered any other probe if he was in some other ministry.The purpose is not to find out the truth, but a report written in a pre-decided manner to put his opponents in a spot. Sonia and Manmohan Singh have committed an unforgivable crime by inducting tainted persons in the council of ministers. Sonia is creating another Bhindranwale to counter her opponents.

Message returned as you need it the most.

He has an additional 3250 crores, and Sonia's inner-voice to clean his taints.

Jailbirds are to be paid their fees for campaigning during election.

It has become a fashion in India to abuse Hindus. People including these self-declared-secular-Hindus think that they will be considered great thinkers if they abuse their own religion and other Hindus. The moment a non-Hindu is killed by police, all such people start crying. Media, politicians, activist groups, NHRC they all constitute their own courts and start trying Hindu groups,police and administration. They have no loyalty to society, people and the country. They have no respect for judicial system. Their only interest is to remain in media news.

Many MB users have been abusing Mode in the name of discussion. No body has any data or any other authentic information. Do you have any authentic information on Ishrat? If you have then give it to the police, and let them do their work.

He is being guided by Sonia's inner-voice and his own taint.

Congress-led government is setting new standards in politics of governance. Proclaimed offenders are ministers in Sonia's inner-voice-controlled council of minsters.

I agree with para 1 of your post, but I can not understand that why should you feel ashamed of Godhra incident? 'Hurt' is the right word. And what is this subsequent unfinished agenda?

Punjab has a congress government. Center also has a congress-led government. Congress-led Government goes to the court agianst the decision of a congress government.And madam's inner voice gets jammed. Is it all a coincedence? Is their any sincere thought and action to solve the problem by congress? If yes then who is stopping her to stop Punjab CM? Certainly not the people and the court.

You are being ashamed too much. After reading your message, I have a feeling that you are quite impressed by the language used by politicians. Why do you want to remember Godhra and subsequent riots? Forget them and move ahead. Learn lessons from such incidents. Hate is destructive. Spreading hate is a crime. So love all.

I don't give lectures. I am a common man like every other Common Indian citizen.God has been very kind to me. He has given me strength to think positive. It is this positive attitude I try to share with others. Please don't get angry and don't think that I support some people and oppose some people. I discuss only issues and not personalities. If I have hurt your feelings in any manner then I am sorry. But one thing I am sure that only love can help people. Hate is destructive.

You have a very valid point there. Why starvation deaths in AP, Maharashtra,WB only? Why not in other states? These governments are killing people by starving them to death. But no voice is raised by self-declared custodians of secularism and poor. No notice from Chairman, NHRC. Shame on these people, killers of poor people.

Your thinking matches your name.

OK with me. If you feel this is the only way to debate then you are welcome to it. May God give you wisdom.

Are you really NDTV Moderator? If yes then there are some filthy posts directly addressed to you by chrkvsrao.

You are calling kasmiri Pandits cowards. what about you? Are you not a coward, who ran away and took shelter in a church? You had no courage to fight those who were mistreating you. Now you hide behind the church and abuse Hindus. You are not only a coward but a disgrace to the society. You cease to be a human being. You are living on an adopted faith,adopted identity. You have nothing of your own. Stop abusing Hindus and behave like a decent human being.

You have not answered the question. Don't you think using this concept in a debate has started a filthy chain reaction? Poor Newton, must be turning in his grave with this use of his concept.

Tainted Lalloo has taken a tainted decision - to divert attention from his tainted spots to burn marks of Godhra, and also to settle political scores with some opponents. Moreover this is not a probe. It is a direction to prepare a certain report which can be used by him to blackmail people in his fight to defend his corrupt deeds.The interesting point is whether this decision is of UPA or only of Lalloo. FM has given him 3250 crores. Is Sonia creating another Bhindranwale in Lalloo to defeat her opponents? Perhaps she has forgetten what happened to Indira.

Whom you consider important - a filth-posting successful business person or a decent human being?

Killing a person is a crime. One can not justify even if it is done in the name of religion. Religion teaches love and any body killing in the name of religion is committing two crimes, one against the religion and other against the humanity. I don't blame you. there are many people who think that these jehadi criminals kill only Hindus. These criminals have no love for Muslims. They are killing people for money. They are contract killers. If some Muslims are supporting them then they are putting their life in danger. Tomorrow their own daughter may meet the fate of Mariam.

This user chrkvsrao has been sending multiple filthy posts on all boards. Now he has started sending filthy abusive messages to NDTV moderators also. I wonder why NDTV is keeping silent and not removing him from the board?

Yes, it is highly irresponsible on the part of congress and other self-declared custodians of secularism. As soon as the news of the encounter was out they started shouting of killing innocent Ishrat. Another opportunity for blaming Gujrat police and the Government. Now a Pakistan based terrorist organization claims that Ishrat was its member. In my opinion, all those congress and other politicians & groups who created a hatred campaign aganist Gujrat police & Government should be tried for creating disharmony between communities. It was unfortunate that NHRC also indulged itself in this dirty hate campaign. If he has any self respect,Chairman NHRC should resign.

What are your credentials for putting questions to right-thinking people? Are you a right-thinking person yourself? From your posts you do not qualify for being a right-thinking person. First develop a positive attitude. Stop looking at every thing with hatred. This will make you a right-thinking person, and you will qualify to ask questions from right-thinking people. Till then leave the board.

There are instances when water was used for killing people. Punjab CM is not doing a new thing. Also he has Sonia's inner voice guidance.

What else do you expect from Kapil Sibal?

With tainted ministers in Sonia's council, UPA's priorities also seem to have become tainted. Bihar's tainted icon has already received a gift of 3250 Crores. Why should he bother about people becoming homeless and also those who have died in floods?

Manmohan Singh Ji must be proud of Shibu Soren.

Do you really need a separate board on Ishrat? She has already been owned by a Pakistan based terrorist organization as its member.

Lalloo has started another dirty game to shift attention from his tainted background. He has ordered the inquiry and at the same time given hints what he wants from the inquiry.I wonder if it is a decision of UPA or Lalloo is out of UPA control.

It may bring a temporary relief. But India needs a long term solution. Such a solution is possible only through love and not hate. May God grant wisdom to self-declared custodians of secularism who spread hate in the name of secularism and to create and strenghten their vote banks.

Muslims are a part of this country, as Hindus are. But reading the messages being posted on this board by majority of Muslim users I feel very sad and disappointed. Why Muslims do not understand that it is their country and they should love and respect it? Why they do not appreciate that the freedom which they are enjoying in India is unthinkable even in Muslim countries. Why they always cry of being discriminated against Hindus,when India is providing equal opportunities to all its citizens? Why they only demand and never think of making any fruitful contribution to the society and the nation?

Hey kamalnath, I have told you that I do not want any message from you. You have again sent a message to me. Why don't you understand and keep yourself busy with your adopted faith and stop bothering about Hindus and their faith. What you are doing is not what a true christian will do. Stop or Jesus will not be happy with you.

I agree that media has played a very dirty role in Ishrat case. I will even go the extent of calling their role anti-people. I will support if a case is filed against media.

And how it will help muslims? Do you have any sympathy for them or trying to spread hatred which brings only misery.

Do you think such messages will help muslims in India? And what are your credentials in calling others criminals?

Muslims may get some short term advantage but with this reservation they will move further away from national mainstream. Their acceptance in society will suffer a setback. No body is going to be benefitted by reservation. It should be repalced by empowerment through investment in education. Such empowerment should be non-discriminatory and should not benefit a particular community or group but all people.

You know so much about the sangh. You should answer your question yourself.One thing I can say,sangh should not keep padosi like you or else they will be made responsible for every rape even that conducted by the padosi himself.

Your love will make them see the wisdom or they will become redundent. But it needs patience.

Any concept not favouring any group of people is not correct. Also any concept favouring a particular group at the cost of other group is also not correct. This applies whether that concept belongs to NDA or congress or any other political formation. I do not make any discrimination. Spreading hatred is a crime against the prople, the society, the nation and the huminity it self. In your misplaced pride you are insulting national pride which perhaps you do not have. Mother India is a concept and icon of Indian pride, and no human being can be placed in that position.

You say that tainted ministers are liability for congress, but congress is treating them as its assets.

You have a point which needs in-depth examination.I have always wondered why people are reacting in this manner about Gujrat riots.In congress rule riots were a normal thing. Riots in numbrs started decreasing only when congress started loosing its grip on power. In 1984, 3000 plus Sikhs were killed in less than three days. I have seen it. I have lost many sikh friends. Is the reason for present hue & cry against Gujrat riots because reaction to Godhra burning was totally unexpected.If one accepts this line of thinking then every thing explains it self. The hollow secular thought has been exposed. The fear which was created in the minds of muslims about Hindus came true. The so-called secularists have been taken aback by this. They were only interested in muslim votes. The hatred they have been creating about Hindus will take such shape was not expected by them. And now to shift attention from their misdeeds they are shouting hai-hai about Gujrat riots.

The only answer I could think of is that her inner voice is already tainted.

Please don't insult Mother India calling Sonia by her name. Also please clarify what you want say in first sentence of your message.

Please don't get upset on kamalnath's remarks. He is not a Hindu but a converted christian. He says that some Hindus did not treat him well. He is a coward. He did not fight against that bad treatment but ran away and became christian. He was neither loyal to his born-faith nor he is to his adopted faith. He is a disgrace, so don't bother about his messages.

Giving reservation on communal basis will only create hatred between Hindus and Muslims. It will take muslims further away from national mainstream.In this game congress may be a gainer but Indian society will loose and become more fragmented.

An interesting point to think upon.

Why did he ask for appeal from PM, Sonia, Arjun Singh? He should have appealed only to the President. We Indians are fortunate in having Dr. Kalam as President. He is the only saner voice in India today.

I fully support.

Indian Boss is acting as per 'inner voice'. What about Pakistani Boss?

Let Congress-led Government decide that. It is time for them to prove their credentials as representative of Indian pride. But why are you not posting a message as requested by me? Let me now write a nessage - "We, the users of NDTV Message Board, strongly condemn the behaviour of American officials in insulting India's Defence Minister by strip-searching him at J.F. Kennedy airport. We demand an apology from US Government for hurting Indian pride. We also request Indian Government to take up this issue in an appropriate manner with US Government, and also take suitable reciprocatory steps about searching American officials and ministers when visiting India". MB users, please post this message on the board, and send it to your friends allover the world.

I have tried to put some sense in your head but you will not listen. Everytime you put your filthy brain to use you come only with some topic or message full of hatred for Hindus. Now let me give you a sincere advice. You have spent a part of your life as a disgrace to Hinsuism, another part of your life disgracing your adopted faith - christianity. Listen to my advice and try to spend your remaining life as a true christian. Spread love and not hatred. Jesus will give you peace. I expect not to receive any message from you.

Congress has always followed a policy of gaining confidence of muslims by spreading hate for Hindus. This policy was followed by Jinnah to become PM of undivided India. But when Nehru did not agree, Jinnah asked for separate country for muslims. Later Nehru adopted this policy to remain PM, which was followed by Indira, Rajiv and now by Sonia through proxy in the form of Manmohan Singh.

It is a new definition of secularism given by congress - Secularism means giving reservation on communal basis.

You are right. Congress should own responsibility for killing 3000 plus Sikhs under Rajiv Government. Congress should also remove those ministers who were involved in anti-sikh riots. It should also demand re-trial of cases outside Delhi as number of witnesses have turned hostile under threat from accused politicians. Sonia is working as per the guidance of her inner voice. She should create examples for others to follow for practicing what they preach to others.

But they should practice what they preach. If a politician cry for giving benefits to a group of people for gaining their support he should first give some benefit to that group of people before he should make a demand on the Givernment.

Your views are OK, but my dear sunder you should also post a message condemning Americans' behaviour and demanding apology from US Government. At least, this much we the common people can do.

Your message has been rated as off-topic, but I think you have raised a very interesting point here.Politicians who cry for giving reservations to muslims should practice it themselves. Let Rahul marry a poor, uneducated muslim girl and create an example for others to follow. Let Sonia adopt some orphan muslim children from Gujrat.

Don't waste my time by posting foolish replies.

Why don't you discuss it with Sonia? She has nominated Manmohan Singh as PM. She may nominate a muslim as PM if she agrees with you.

It is indeed shocking that NDA Government did not raise this issue with US Administration. But this issue should be debated from national-pride point of view, and no body should play politics here. It is a fact that no political party had raised this issue. You have quoted a news item from Hindustan Times but have missed HT Editorial on this - "Surely there is an irony in the congress shedding tears over former defense minister George Frenandes being strip-searched before allowed into the US. This was the party that led a loud and unprecedented boycott of a Union minister in Parliament." We are common people and not politicians. We should strongly condemn the behaviour of Americans and demand an apology feom US Government in hurting Indian pride. Americans should feel ashamed of themselves. Let all MB users unite on this issue.

And everybody is saying that budget is for rural sector.

Rest is for ..........

I was thinking that 15 paise is reaching the ultimate beneficiary. Poor people. Lalloo will get more richer.

Yes, sometimes NDTV gives funny choices.

Has he seen taints which he got while defending tainted ministers?

Sonia is elected PM and Manmohan Singh is nominated PM.

But Manmohan Singh is proud of his tainted ministers - 3250 Crore as reward to Lalloo.

At that time congress leaders were dreaming of ruling India.

No. congress did not keep silent after Godhra. Congress raised a demand that all VHP leaders should be arrested. It only kept silent on Godhra victims.

I support your proposal to introduce a topic on the agony of Kashmiri Pandits.

A nice analysis. I hope some congress leaders are reading this message.

I beg to differ. Hindus are not treated as second class citizens. No body can hate Hinduism. It is a way of life and how can one hate a way of life. What is happening in India today is a creation of some people who have mistakenly decided to earn trust of a community by spreading hate about another community. Such hate divided the country in 1947 and is threatening the independence and integrity of India. All political parties, religious groups and self-declared intellectuals are responsible for this. It is therefore necessary for common people like us to think, talk and practice love.

I agree with you. All schemes are only on paper. No delivery mechanism is existing and no system of monitoring & review is evident. Chadambaram's approach is not honest and is discriminatory. I am afraid the money given will not reach the ultimate beneficiaries and will be eaten away in midway by politicians like Lalloo.

Every body wants Bihar to develop. But only right means bring right results.

Behave like a true christian and everything will be OK.

Congratulations. May Jesus grant you and family peace and love.

Have they really started practicing christianity, and are in peace with it? If yes, then all my good wishes to you and your family. May Jesus give them what they have desired throughout their life. Now, kamalnath, please excercise restraint and act like a true christian.

To tolerate is the highest kind of bravery. Any body can get angry, it does not require any effort. But to tolerate one has to develop a positive attitude, strength of character and to pardon those who have astrayed from the path of love.

I don't take them seriously. I have a belief in people, their nice side which brings a human being closer to God.

No, I can't even think of posting such filthy messages. It is a matter of attitude and perhaps you are unable to understand it. I am really sorry for you. May God help you.

No, I can not even think of posting such filthy messages. It is a matter of attitude. Perhaps you are not able to understand. I feel sorry for you.

Your ID is not correct. Ask kamalnath. From his posts full of hatred you will feel that it should be hatred_is_jesus. Remember kamalnath is a converted christian. If you are right then kamalnath does not respect Jesus. I am a Hindu and proud to be a Hindu. I have full respect for Jesus and therefore request you to immediately change your ID. It is a disrespect to Jesus to make His Name a part of your ID.

Kamalnath, a disgraced Hindu and a blot on christianity, ask your own family about you. Don't bother about RSS and Hindus. You have wasted this life by changing your born-faith. In your changed faith also you do not find peace. May God has mercy on you.

I thought that cutting down of ministers' expenses was an initiative of PM Mr. Manmohan Singh. And regarding your last para, every body wants Bihar's progress. Afterall it is a part of India and has produced many great personalities. I will be most happy if the money is given to Bihar is used for development of the state and its people. But unfortunately credentials of Lalloo and his brigade of tainted ministers are not encouraging.Chidambaram should have taken this fact in consideration. Now also he can put proper checks and balances to ensure that money is used for development purposes and does not end up in Lalloo's pocket.

Yes, CBI should go after people like you.

India should have voted out all those board users who are posting filthy jokes.

Sonia backed out because of people like those on this board posting filthy jokes.

I am surprised to read your post. Are you not the one who is posting filthy jokes on the board?

A paragraph from the news by HT Correspondent from Seoni/Bhopal, July 10, as appeared in Sunday Hindutan Times - " Seoni's superintendent of police said eight of the nine men, against whom reports have been filed, have been arrested." Now kamalnath you are no more a Hindu but a christian, so don't poke your nose in affairs not connected with your new found religion.

A paragraph from news given by HT Correspondent from Seoni/Bhopal, July 10, as appeared in Sunday Hindustan Times - " About 30 men of the yadav community allegedly raped three dalit women at village Bhamtola as an act of revenge." Yadavs have always been claiming that they are dalits and deserve all benefits of reservation. But you a christian (that too disgraced), how will you know about it?

Forget about RSS. Are you listening Mr. Pawan?

Kamalnath, you were a dalit who disgraced his family by becoming a christian. Now you are a disgrace to Christianity. As per media reports those who raped the women were dalits.

I have read the full story. I have also read what Hindustan Times, a pro-congress newspaper say about this case. Both victims and criminals are dalits. As per your own message, kamalnath, you yourself were a dalit before becoming christian. If you are a true christian then you will condemn those dalits who raped these dalit women.

Tainted ministers are not a liability for congress-led government. Chidambaram has rewarded these tainted ministers by giving 3250 Crores to Bihar. Lalloo has become richer by 2600 Crores and State of Bihar by 650 Crore. How much of it will reach the ultimate benificiary is any body's guess. Board uers will remember that Congress PM Rajiv has said that out of every 100 paise given by center, only 15 paise reaches the ultimate benefiaries, and rest is eaten away by intermediaries.

If you are referring to the recent case of gangrape in MP, then an unfortunate aspect of this case is that the people who gangraped these women were dalits.

Sometime back I had posted amessage about political parties spreading hate amongst communities for creating and/or strenthening their vote banks, but no user has shown interest in it. The board is perhaps outliving its utility as most of the users are only posting offensive, abusive, filthy messages. Are there any takers of debate on the following issue: Every political party has a right to approach people to gain their trust. But gaining trust of one community by creating a fear from and hatred for other community is not in the national interest. It was the policy of British rulers and has unfortunately been continued by congress and other parties to gain and then remain in power. This negative policy had divided India and has always threatened unity of independent India. The right of gaining trust of Indian people can not be denied to any political party. But this right should be excercised in the context of national interest and not of narrow political gains. Spreading hatred is a national crime. Before blaming each other for speading hatred, political parties should honestly analyze their own actions. They will find that they are to be equally blamed for spreading hatred. I wish that new government and all other paerties will keep national interest in mind and rise above politics of hatred to create and strengthen their vote banks.

You have made your point. Thanks. Now can be get useful posts on the topic of this board?

Dhananjoy was sentenced to death by following a due process of law. It is law again under which his mercy plea is being considered by the President. This is the civilized way of awarding punishment for crimes. It is not like taking away a life. There is a big difference between the way Dhananjoy took away the life of an innocent girl and this process of law for awarding punishment.

If you think that these politicians can not understand because their IQ is equal to of Bush, then we should at least try to protect ourselves from being exploited. Before reacting to everything they say or their every act, we should analyze it in detail and decide what should be our reaction and whether such reaction will be in the interest of the country, society, people at large and us.

I have read the story. Congress-led government at center has tainted ministers. So congress-led government at Maharashtra can have ministers who can neither read nor write. I suggest that other users should also read the story.

Tejaswin, may I make a request. I appreciate your concern about food poisoning. But this board topic is - 'Should BJP re-embrace hardline Hindutva?' So please post your message related to the topic. If you want to discuss food poisoning, please request NDTV to create a separate message board for this.

It is not only BJP, every political party has tried to exploit sentiments of the people. All are to be blamed for that. We people, should also be blamed as we have at times allowed them to exploit our sentiments. Political parties and various religious groups say or act as such because they know that people can be exploited. This exploitation will stop only when these parties understand that people can not be exploited any more.

Thanks, but sometime back I have written to NDTV to remove TSL from the website.Its purpose seem to be to encourage people to take part in debate on the board. But some users to see their name on the list post multiple messages and block the board. I once again request NDTV to remove this list, as no useful purpose is being served by showing the names of top surfers. Rather it has become counter-productive.

And all this is being done under PMship of Manmohan Singh. Poor fellow, while defending tainted ministers, himself has become tainted.

No, No, you are joking. Lalloo as FM, the thought itself is freighting.

If the benefit of budget propsals do not reach the untimate beneficiary then it will be pro-poor-paper budget. Rajiv as PM had said that out of every 100 paise only 15 paise reach the ultimate beneficiary. To make his budget pro-poor Chidambaram will have to find a solution to this loot in the way.

If you want to debate budget issue then please post your views under the topic especially created - Is Chidambaram's budget pro-poor?

It is for the monirities to decide whether a terror trap has been laid for them and whether such trap is pushing them to a brink.

Have you sent this aarti to Manmohan Singh? Alas, your Manmohan Singh has now become tainted while defending tainted ministers.

There is nothing like hardline Hindutva. Hindutva is a way of life. Any individual is free to adopt Hindu way of life.It guides people how to conduct themselves in life and how to relate to other members of the society. It is for a positive relationship with others. It respects others' way of life. There is no question of BJP embracing, abandoning and re-embracing hardline Hindutva.BJP has no ownership rights on HInduism. Such questions have been posed in past and again after election 2004 by people who are either ignorant or who want to gain trust of some groups by spreading hatred about some other groups. Spreading hatred is a crime against humanity, and it will be good for Indian society if these people are exposed at the earliest.

Taking cue from your post - Is keeping voters in the pocket a criteria for being a best politician? Does he still remain a best politician if he is the worst enemy of Indian growth and finances?

Monetary benefits are short term gains. It has not helped those SC/ST people who converted to christianity, otherwise why they are asking for reservation as available to SC/ST. It is a irony of fate that they abandoned their faith but remained SC/ST in their new religion also. If they had coninued with their born faith they would have already got all benefits of reservation.

Please don't bring Tagore's name in to this. I am only expressing my views on the topics selected and approved by NDTV moderators. I have been requesting other board users to stick to the topic and refrain from posting filthy messages and abuses. I have also requested users to refrain from posting same message number of times. My requests were made with a sincere desire to use this board for constructive debate on various issues being faced by our country and society. It is not a question of reading and laughing on jokes. It is a question whether this board has been created by NDTV for posting such filthy jokes and abuses. Please consider and refrain from posting such messages. Another point is, when you can post constructive messages on a topic, why should you or any other user post filthy messages. I am sure you do not want to be remembered by board users for your filthy jokes.

Do you have any views on this subject? If so then post your views. It is really unfortunate that no MB user is interested in this subject. They are only busy and find pleasure in posting filthy jokes and abuse hurling at each other.

Conversion can not be stopped by making a law. If you want Hindus not to convert to Christianity or Islam, then you will have to examine the reasons why Hindus are converting. After knowing the reasons you should take necessary action to remove those reasons. I think everybody knows the reasons, but nothing is being done about it. Demand for making law to ban conversion has only been made with political objectives in mind.

You have posted a very good analysis of rail budget. But suddenly you have posted these filthy jokes. What has happened? When you can post constructive messages, why indulge in such acts? Do you want to be remembered because of your dirty jokes or for your good and fruitful messages related to the topic of the board?

Congress-led government has delivered its rail and general budget. So far the delivery is through reading a printed paper. Many attractive promises have been made. Indian people are more or less satisfied with these promises. Now the next move is to deliver these promises to the people for whom these have been made.First requirement is to provide money. Second requirement is to deliver it to the right people. Third requirement is to ensure that desired results are achieved. In India, this delivery mechanism has always been weak and successive government have not addressed this issue. Congress-led government has also not informed what delivery mechanism would be adopted. When Rajiv was PM he had said that out of 100 paise given by the government, only 15 paise reach the people. Rest 85 paise are eaten away by other people.These other people include politicians, employees of concerned departments, power brokers.

The congress-led government will deliver its budget tomorrow. Indian people have many expectations. But what its cialition partner, Left, expect is anybody's guess - the key demands made by the Left parties include: Rollback of the LPG price hike from Rs 20 to Rs 10; no cut in farmer subsidies; No disinvestment except of bankrupt PSUs; Provide relief to farmers from debts, and Double credit to farmers in three years. What will left do if Chidambaram does not oblize them?

Yes, you are right. If you look in to deep in Lalloo's proposals you will find that most of them are money spinners for him.

Why don't you write to RSS? Get the facts straight from horse's mouth.

I do not believe in sansthas.

I agree with your observations and congratulate you for such a nice analysis. One point I would like to add here. Almost every TV channel has shown interviews with people about rail budget, their problems and their expectations. I was surprised that not even a single person talked about puntuality of trains. What does it mean? Have the people convinced themselves that talking of punctuality in trains is a waste of time, and they should not have any expectations from rail administration on this issue? This is a very strong silent indictment of railways and Rail Minister should be ashamed of such lack of confidence in his ability to run trains on time.By the way he has also not talked of trains running on time.

I have visited the website. It tells what Rajya Sabha is. It does not tell in what way it is of any use to India governance.

Every political party has a right to approach people to gain their trust. But gaining trust of one community by creating a fear from and hatred for other community is not in the national interest. It was the policy of British rulers and has unfortunately been continued by congress and other parties to gain and then remain in power. This negative policy had divided India and has always threatened unity of independent India. The right of gaining trust of Indian people can not be denied to any political party. But this right should be excercised in the context of national interest and not of narrow political gains. Spreading hatred is a national crime. Before blaming each other for speading hatred, political parties should honestly analyze their own actions. They will find that they are to be equally blamed for spreading hatred. I wish that new government will keep national interest in mind and rise above politics of hatred to create and strengthen their vote banks. Similar is the wish for other parties.

Have you received a letter of appreciation from NDTV for your filthy posts?

Sometime back I had posted following message but except one, no user has shown any interests in this topic. They continue with their abuse hurling at each other irrespective of topic of the board. "I have often wondered what is the contribution of Rajya Sabha in the governance of India. Can a more-informed user through some light on this?"

A good start. Today he has taken up cleanliness of platforms. May be one day he will take up cleanliness of his tainted background. Other tainted ministers should learn from him.

Where does Birbal come in to it? Board has discussed the issue of 3-T and I was appreciating its decision. I don't think board has discussed any misguided islamic laws of Brahmin.

Hinduism is a way of life, and way of life can not be politicised. Singhal and Togadia do not own Hindu way of life. Every body is free to adopt Hindu way of life. Equally, every body is free to adopt other way of life according to his or her faith. Peoples' reaction to their statements has made Singhal and Togadia important. If people start ignoring them, very soon they will become things of the past.

Muslim Persoal Law Board has taken a right decision to improve the way triple-talaq is being practiced. There seem to a genuine desire to create a level-playing field for muslim women. The only thing I could not ubderstand why the board is finding itself helpless in taking a decision to remove triple-talaq.It has been removed in many muslim countries, then why it can't be done in a secular country India?

But what purpose it will serve? Have you not seen many boards, full of filthy and abusive messages? At least uers will have to excecise restarin to keep the boards alive foe decent debate.

The crux of a decent debate is not to shift your attention from the topic. Other people participating in the debate may try to distract your attention, but do not allow them to succeed. They may insult you, they may post abusive messages about you and your religion, but don't loose your cool. It is what they want. If you loose your cool and reply them in the same manner they have succeeded in their dirty game. I don't believe in some terms, such as, 'communal' or 'secularism'. As far as I am concerned, all are as Indian as I.

Yes, that is what I have been trying to convey to board users that they should post their views in a decent manner and allow others to post their views also in a decent manner. Users should acknowledge others' views and refrain from entering personalities in the duiscussion. The purpose of any debate is to converge views. It is not happening on this board because some users take pride in abusing others. Bu posting offensive and abusive messages they think that they have scored a point. Also multiple postings of same message blocks the board and deny right to others from viewing and posting messages on the board.

How do you determine the majority opinion, and does your opinion coincide with the majority opinion as determined by you?

I had a friend who used to say that he will loose an argument but not a friend. You seem to have a opposite policy. You will loose a friend but not the argument.

There are many topics on the board you can choose from for discussion. Religion is not a topic for discussion on this board. And what do you mean by giving consideration to others' feelings? No body has a right to abuse religious feelings of other people. Can you give a guarantee that users participating in discussion on Hinduism will refrain from posting offensive and abusive messages?

One thing, I am not blind. Second thing, I wish betterlife for all. My advice is not misplaced, whether it is for you or any other user on this board. Why users should discuss religion? Religion is a personal matter and every body is free to practice his religion. No religion teaches to abuse other religions. If anybody is abusing other religions it is not correct. In fact he is only succeeding in hurting the feelings of others, and that is a crime from all aspect of human behaviour.

What will be your reaction if it it turns out that he is enjoying all this?

Why don't you keep off this board Bad Vani? Do they allow people like you in US?

Yes. He will only become Masterblocker not the top surfer. NDTV is a very irresponsible organization. They have created a board and left it to the mercy of such board blockers. They have also become a partner in abuse hurling at Hindus and hinduism.

Who are you showcat and why are you getting angry? No body is saying that Islam is not a religion and no body is maligning Islam. What some people are trying to say is that Hinduism should not be discussed on this board. Hindism is a way of life and a matter of personal faith. Personal matters should not be discussed in this manner. People hurling abuses at Hinduism should realize that it hurts feelings of Hindus.

Well it up to you. As far as I am concerned I consider both Bible and Quran as Holy Books. I will never refer to these Holy Books in the manner as you have referred to Ramayana.

With your example? I am proud to be a Hindu and my dear christian kamalnath I consider changing one's faith a crime against the God.

One person can not be only right and another person cam not be only wrong. Similary the Governments and their actions. Lack of primary education has always been a problem, but intead of addressing this problem if the new government waste its time and energy in changing the text books, how it can be justified. Arjun Singh says that BJP has distorted the history. But when BJP changed the books it said that congress had distorted the history. And who is the victim - poor children. And when some acedemics are busy in re-writing the history books, lakhs of children are growing up without any education.

You are right but basic issues being faced by the country do not change with change of government. Also the attitude matters a lot. If the attitude of new government is to overturn everything previous government did, or to discredit it on every issue, or trying to mislead people about its work, and all this to gain some political advantage, will you say that it is a part of democratic governance?

It is unfortunate that muslims and christians always attack Hinduism. It is mainly because they believe in conversion of people of other faith into their faith. Conversion ia a foreign thought and Hinduism has got nothing to do with it. Hinduism is a way of life and one of its teachings is to respect other faiths. I feel hurt when some users post offensive and abusive messages about Hinduism. But I can not reply them in the same tone. My way of life does not allow me to do that. I feel they are comitting crime against their own faith by abusing Hinduism, and their God will look in to it.

It is not truth which hurts feelings of other people.

Your knowledge about yourself is also misplaced. True Indian nationals do not speak such language. If Indian nation is your dignity then you will express your views in a dignified manner. Also religion is a personal matter. It is not a state subject. There is no question of giving priority to religion over nation or vice versa.

You living in US know about hidden agenda of RSS, but consider people living in India ignorant. Please Mr. Bad Vani spare us ignorant souls.

Hinduism is a way of life. It guides people how they should conduct themselves and relate to other people, society and the nation. In my opinion Hinduism should not be compared with religions like Islam or Christianity who believe in converting other people to their religion.

I can not understand why some one should rate this message as offensive? I do not agree with Grin that religion should be made a part of politics. Religion is a personal matter and can not be a state subject. If people follow their faith and allow others to follow their faith then there will be no problem.

I will never refer to amitmehra, truthsayer or any other board user in the same way you have referred. I try to debate issues and not the personalities. It is unfortunate that issues are being sidelined and some users are indulging in abuse hurling. PLease do not drag the name of Aasaram Bapu in this.

After meeting called by speaker failed to provide any results, PM has delivered an invitation to discuss various issues so that parliamentary proceedings are allowed to proceed without any disruption. One can understand his position. But he seems to have a short memory. He has forgetten what happened in last Lok Sabha - boycott of George Fernandes by his party, frequent disruptrions and walkouts by his party. The current impasse is also the result of his and his party's doings - appointing tainted persons as ministers and defending them, sacking four Governors before their term. What was he expecting from the opposition on these issues, a congratulatory note. As a common man, I feel sad on these developments. I did not expect such actions from a person like Manmohan Singh. His cleanliness has been tainted. I wish that congress-led government will not criminalize the governance. I also wish that NDA will behave like an responsible opposition and will not do what congress did when in opposition. Let parliament function without any disruption. Both Government and opposition should create examples of good behaviour.

I do not know who which religion you belong, but you are an insane person. You are a blot on humanity and a disgrace to your parents and family. Taking advantage of this open platform you are spilling your dirty mind on the board to hurt others' feelings. Behave like a human being and stop posting such messages.

If people are converting and joining your group then congratulations. It is their decision and they are welcome to it. But Mr. Kamalnath, the christian, why should you abuse Hindus and their faith? Profess your faith and let other peofess their faith.

No Mr. Kanuparmar, no body has a right to crticise religion his or others. Religion and faith are personal matters and should not be discussed in open platform and in this abusive manner. Tolerance is the basis of any religion. You have every right to live with your faith and others also have every right to live with their faith. No body should criticise others' faith.

There is no official Hindu Website. If any website says that Pope is criminal then it is wrong and should be comdemned. But such things should not be used as a reason for abusing Hindus and their feelings.

Hinditva is a way of life. It guides people how to conduct themselves in life. All are free to adopt Hindu way of life and still retain their religious identity, muslim, christian, sikh, buddist ... BJP has no ownership on Hindutva. There are many people in BJP whose way of life does not match with Hindutva way of life. There are many people in congress and other parties whose way of life matches with Hindutva way of life. Media has wrongly attached Hindutva to a party.

Your Hindu friends will not convert after seeing how a converted christian behave. How many times you have said ' I love Jesus'? But Jesus could not help you. You was a disgrace when you were Hindu, you remain a disgrace after becoming christian, No religion, no Jesus can help you. Search your soul and start behaving like a human being Kamalnath, or else you have wasted this life.

Your abusive and offensive posts have convinced me that you are not a christian, and are posing these messages to serve some ulterior motive. But you are a christian then you are disgrace to christianity. I have some christian friends and I can say with certainty that Christ does not allow such behaviour.

Have you ever asked your parents and relatives if they feel proud of you are ashamed of you? Have you also thought that you may be responsible for their humiliation? And if you feel peace in your new religion and it has cleaned your soul then why don't you convince your parents and relatives to convert to christianity? In what manner your problem will be solved by posting abusive messages on the board? Your posts hurt my feelings and I am one person who feel sorry the way you and your family have been treated.

Holy Books are not for enjoyment. Do you enjoy Holy Bible in the same manner as you referring to Hindu Holy Books.

But it has not cleaned yours. Rather it has become more dirty creating such dirty messages.

Mr. Paswan, I am a Hindu. Please do not bother to tell Hindus what is written in their Holy Books. If you are a Hindu then you are committing an unforgivable sin. And if you are not a Hindu then you are committing a bigger sin by hurting feelings of Hindus. So please stop such offensive messages.

Are there any christians using this board? Are you proud of or ashamed of your brother christian Kamalnath, who is posting highly filthy and abusive messages on the board? Does your religion allow all this?

Hey Kamalnath before converting to christianity you were also a Hindu. As per your another post your family members are still Hindu. Does christianity has taught you to write such abusive messages. I think other christians on this board must be ashamed of you.

Please Mr. paswan (Lohiya Nagar), refrain from posting such offensive and abusive messages on the board. You have wasted so much time & energy and also space on this board and could succeed only in hurting the feelings of Hindus like me. May God grant you the wisdom and courage to refrain from such acts.

While inaugrating conference on minority welfare and education, PM Manmohan Singh termed investment in education as an empowerment measure. I hope that it is a policy of this government and not just an excercise in creating and strengthening minority vote bank. Now if it is a policy of the government then it should not be restricted to monirity only. All Indian people should be seen as equal in this context. All citizens of his country need empowerment and PM has rightly said that investment in education is a strong measure in this direction. This policy should be implemented in a non-discriminatory manner. There is no need for creating another commission or groups for this purpose. Such measures should be seen in overall national perspective and should not be limited to or only linked with some groups based on their number or religion.

In the morning round of the conference on 'Minority Welfare and education' a saner voice was heard. The voice was of Javed Akhtar and it said - "We must be rational about how much license we permit any group, minority or otherwise, in the name of autonomy and secularism. For example, if a drug company does not take aid from the government, it does not mean it is free to produce whatever it wants. Similarly, there must be some degree of control over what is being told to children in the name of education." I hope that Arjun Singh and other personalities & religious leaders attending the conference learn from Mr. Akhtar.

NDTV moderators, please stop such users posting filthy abusive messages.

There was no need for me to change. I have always been a neutral person. The change is required in your thinking about me. Also have you noticed that how many posts have been wasted in personalities? It is all unnecessary. You should post your views in a decent manner. It is unfortunate that no fruitful discussion could start so far on the topic.

India is a big country and countries can not be built in a day. After independence every government has contributed to nation building. There have also been times when progress was not satisfactory or even few about-turns were taken. Contribution of congress can not be ignored. It was in power for a long time and india has progressed in amny areas during that period. Successive governments have also made their contributions. Everybody should be given credit or discredit for their roles in building the nation. The point I am trying to make here is that new government should take over where earlier govrnment has left and move on the path of progress. What is unfortunately apparant from many actions taken by the new government is that it seems to be interested in wiping the slate clean of succeessive governments achievements. It is trying to write on the slate where it left the country when it was forced out of power. And this is taking back the country in to past.

You called me a hypocrite, because you think that I am pro-RSS. No Mr. Mastermind, I am not pro-RSS or anti-congress. After the elections were over I wished that Mr. Manmohan Singh should become PM. He became PM and I was hoping that a new system of governance will be introduced. But to my utter disappointment he started defending tainted ministers.Other ministers started taking decisions in a manner of vengeance. And when I say a new system of governance it means that the system of governance adopted by NDA was not up to the mark. It needed improvements and I was hoping that a person like Manmohan Singh will do the needful. But he has started on a different course. So Mr. Mastermind please stop thinking that I am pro-RSS or anti-congress. If you look at my posts with this view then you will withdraw your remark that I am a hypocrite. Now are you interested in a decent debate or will still like to call names?

Kamalnath you are a christian. As per your earlier post you converted to christianity as Hindus treated you badly. Now when are no more a Hindu then why should you bother about what Hindus are doing, what their Dharma is and what their Adharma is? With your posts I get a feeling that you are not in peace by becoming a christian. If it is true then I am sorry for you. May God bless you.

You are still on the board. will not listen to a good advice. OK, Mastermind let us debate. What you think is hypocritical in my message? Please be clear and don't generalise the issues.

The message was for decent common people of this great country, who are non-partisan and believe only in issues and do not associate issues with organizations or groups. I think you can not contribute any thing fruitful and objective in this debate, so please keep off.

So far Congress-led Government has only delivered what is required for creating and strengthening their vote bank. They are only trying to put the time-clock back to what it was at the time when congress was removed from power. Any Government who is burning with hatred and has a single aim to undone what has been done by the previous Governments is a liability for the nation. Natwar Singh,Shivraj Patil, Arjun singh and all other misfits seem to be in a competition in delivering India to the past. Recently Manmohan singh has also joined the race.

I request MB users to concentrate on the topic - Are 'Tainted Ministers' a liability for the country. I have purposely replaced 'congress' by 'country', as for every common man it is a matter of national liability and not an issue pertaining to one or other political party. By posting our views in a decent manner we can create an opinion against these tainted ministers and convince Manmohan Singh that he has compromised on principles and cleanliness in public life. His arguments are hollow which only suggest that he has succumbed to the desire of remaining in power and has no courage to stand for what he was known before becoming PM.

Please don't do it Fa5termind. If mastermind and other indecent users are posting dirty jokes about RSS and related people, then by posting dirty jokes about Sonia and her family you are only putting yourself in their class. Remember, one wrong act does not make right another wrong act.

Rajya Sabha is one of many refuge avaialble for discredited and rejected politicians. By entering RS they continue in their business of politics and feed on hard earned public money. It is criminal as they do not do anything fruitful and productive in return. Our country can not afford such criminal luxary. In my opinion RS should be disbanded. Moreover, if a politician has been rejected by the people in election, he should not be allowed to hold any position of power or profit. He should spend the period till next election in service of the people to regain their confidence so that people again elect him. Service of the country and its people should be the aim of all people including politicians. Getting elected to LS or RS should only be considered as means to serve better. "I will only serve when I am elected to a seat of power" is a rotten thinking and should be discouraged by one and all.

Mr. Vadvani from US, you mix up many issues in one issue. The common thresd is 'hatred for RSS'. You relate every thing to RSS. Why so much hatred for RSS? You must have a valid reason for that, but hatred brings out only bad in a person.If you want to discover good things in you then start loving. Come out of the hatred man, it is not good.

Multi-PM system under a remote control will be a unique delivery to the country by congress-led Givernment.

As Natwar Singh is looking after external affiars it is possible that he was purposely not delivered in India. Now the question is who delivered him to Collin Powell? Natwar Singh is not reporting to PM, that means PM has not delivered him. Did Sonia delivered him or Natwar Singh delivered himself. Let us keep a watch on Natwar Singh. Time may provide the answer.

As per NDTV counting, 332 messages have been posted on this board. But most of the messages are not related to the topic. See for example the message posted by chrkvsrao. He has posted this message number of times. Now what purpose is served by such messages, except that the user gets sadistic pleasure out of it. I once again request MB users to post only topic related messages in a decent manner.

May I make a request to you Mr. Mastermind! Your jokes are meant for a particular audiance in a particular environment. They should not be posted on this board as this board is used by one and all, and the basic purpose of the board is to debate on contemporary issues. Please stop posting jokes on this board and participate in the debate in a constructive manner.

I am sorry Mr. sharanan but I am unable to understand your message. Whom you are referring to by the word 'They'?

I agree with you. The language used by Mr. badvani from US is really Bad Vani. There are some more users on this board who use language which is Bad Vani.

Mr. badvani from US, the issue is not that simple as you have tried to project. In fact the issue - 'what is meant by the pleasure of the President' - is under debate for a long time. If you want to introduce it on this MB then it should be under a separate topic. Please make a request to NDTV for that. Now, just for argument sake, different persons have different views on a subject. Why one person should call other person a fascist if other person is having a different view. In my opinion, such attitude - that only views are OK -is fascism.

Another broker has infiltrated the board. NDTV moderators, please wake up and remove these advertisements and put a filter on this user ID.

Mr. badvani from US, you could have expressed your views on the issue of removal of Governors in a decent manner. Many people are expressing their views in newsapers, TV and other media instruments, but they do it in a decent manner and use decent language. Why messages on NDTV MB should be posted in offensive and abusive language? Have you thought that you are thanking the President for some act which no decent person will even think of? Please post messages in a language which can be appreciated and which does not hurt finer human feelings.

Are users of NDTV MB common men, non-VIP and non-partisan citizens of India or those having links with this or that political formation and group? As common man, an user should post his or her views - what he or she actually thinks about the issue under discussion. Views should be limited to the topic under discussion. If any user thinks that some other issue should also be discussed,then NDTV should be requested for creating a new topic. Crowding a topic with messages not related to the topic creates problems for other users and the chain of discussion is disrupted. This defeats the purpose of the board itself. I once again request all MB users to ensure that board remains clean for fruitful discussions.

This is Arjun Singh's delivery with assistance from leftist-coalition partner of congress-led government. They want to deliver India back in time.

I have read the story. It tells us that Natwar Singh has not been delivered to the nation by Sonia nominated PM. Natwar has himself delivered himself to the nation.If it is taken as a delivery by Cong-led government then it will a new style of governance where PM will not know what FM is doing.

'Whether tainted ministers are a liability for congress-led government' will remain a topic for discussion on this board for quite sometime. But in the meantime, many board users have become a liability for the board. Posting repaeted messages, off-topic messages, offensive & abusive messages seem to have become a favourite passtime of these users. I have been requesting NDTV and board users to put a stop to this and allow other users to use the board in a constructive manner. I renew my request once again.

I searched for messages related to the topic - Nuke security: is Akhtar's detention illegal? I could find only two messages with three replies. Entire board is full of jokes and abuses, users are hurling at each other.

Topic under this board is - Power Games: Can the Cong-led Govt deliver? Dear kanuparmar, shila, mitali and other users, please stick to the topic on this MB. If you want to discuss Facts About India, why don't you jointly request NDTV to create a separate topic on a new MB?

Has he been delivered like lalloo to the nation by congress-led government?

Delivery by congress-led coalition government is in full swing. Strikes are being delivered by the leftist-coalition-partner of congress-led government. Wait for many such deliveries.

Hey truthsayer and redindian, by introducing subjects like 'Poor Dhananjoy, he should have taken shelter in CPM or RSS' you have crossed all limits of human decency. Dhananjoy's family has filed a plea for mercy and you people are playing your dirty politics of CPM and RSS. If you are having any grievance with leftists and RSS then discuss it separately, don't drag poor Dhananjoy in to it.

It seems that NDTV is helpless against this mb virus chrkvsrao. Inspite of many requests and separate feedback about him posting multiple messages and blocking the board, NDTV has not done anything.

They must have valid reasons for rejecting mercy plea.

Let me argue this way. A person has a mission in his life, and to fulfil it he takes up a profession and achieves his mission. Will you call him a fool? All politicians are successful in life from any standards, money, position in soceity, security. Now take the case of people. They elect a politician in the hope that he will represent them. After election, this representative becomes Hon'ble and moves away from the people who have elected him. For five years he represents and serves himself. He creates wealth to last for many generations. And the people who voted for him continue living in slums. Now would you call these people intelligent?

Politicians are very clever. They know which side of the bread has butter. Politics today is the most lucrative business. And no fool can run such a business. Actually people are fools, who directly or indirectly help the politicians to make a fool of the people.

Are you hinting that Dhananjay was sentenced to death by a corrupt judge and not because he committed a crime? OR you were referring to issue of corrupt judges in a general sense?

The latest delivery of congress-led government is by the nominated PM Mr. Manmohan Singh. Proudly he has delivered hardened crminals as ministers. They are nav-ratna of Raj Mata Sonia.

As far as leftists are concerned I agree with you. Leftist have no place in any democracy. If they are ruling in WB or elsewhere or now at center with congress manipulation, it is unnatural. What I was hinting at is that messages posted under a particular topic should be related to that topic. For a different subject you can request NDTV to create a new board with a new topic. That will be the right way to discuss various issues in a more productive manner. I hope you agree with me.

Leave aside whether congress-led government will deliver or not, you have delivered same message number of times and blocked the board.

Posting same message in every mb topic is not correct. It comes in the way of users discussing the topic of the board. If you want to discuss India's achivements then request NDTV to create a board with a new topic.That will be the right appraoach.

Your wish No. 4 is very dangerous. I have to wish that your wish is not fulfilled.

Left has criticised him for bringing Ahluwalia back.

I agree with you. I am myself opine that leftist parties and groups should be banned. They have no place in a democracy. But what I was trying to impress upon you is that if board users stick to the topic then an objective debate can take place. You can request NDTV to create another topic on the board - Should leftists be allowed in a democracy?

Hey CHRKVSRAO from PEORIA, USA. Have you gone nuts? Why are you blocking the board and not allowing sincere board users to participate in a constructive debate? Cool-off man. Take some rest and leave the board alone.

You have posted an incomplete message. Please calrify what point you are trying to make?

My first wish for the new government is that it should direct NDTV to remove this user chrkvsrao from the board. He is blocking the board by posting same message repeatedly. Also by seeing his username at the top in TSL he has gone berserk.

Your name is on the top in TSL, but why should you react in this manner? I don't think any board user has liked your abnormal reaction. And do you know that repatedly posting this message you have blocked the board and denied right to other users to use the board in an objective manner?

The language of your message has made it off-topic. Relate it to the topic. May I make a suggestion? " My wishlist for the new government is that redindian should not be allowed to lie. As 26 years of leftist misrule has ruined the state, I also wish that India should be allowed to take its turn." How do you like it? May I now request you and other board users to only post topic-related messages.

Extracts from NDTV Homepage - "The Home Ministry, responsible for advising the President on the execution, has reportedly called for a rejection of the clemency plea. Once that is done, the West Bengal government has 21 days to hang him." Any comments users?

No off-topic messages please.

Poor Mahamahim the Governers. Even a peon in the Givernment can not be removed before his term of appointment.

I have often wondered what is the contribution of Rajya Sabha in the governance of India. Can a more-informed user through some light on this?

India's first nominated PM, Mr. Manmohan Singh has given clean-chit to all criminals in Sonia's hand-picked cabinet. He has paid the price of being nominated as PM, but in the process he himself has become tainted. Whatever may be the argumant, by defending criminals he has joined their cadre. He will go into the history as a PM who defended criminals to stay in office. Sardarji aap to bahut jaldi badal gaye. Now the topic should be changes - Is tainted PM a liability for congress?

What about the vice-president?

Vice chancellors, teachers, students, relatives - do they ever protest when innocent citizens are killed by militants? If everybody arrested or killed by the police is innocent then who is militant?

In another post I requested NDYV to remove TSL from the board. At that time the top surfer hit the sky and posted all sort of nonsense on the board. Now chrkvsrao has gone berserk. I renew my request to NDTV.

Kamalnath, I am really sorry for you. I expressed my views on the board topic. My views were not directed at you. Even then you were free to post your views on the subject, but you prefer to hurt my feelings. May your God give you wisdom.

After reading your post two thoughts came to my mind - one, poor fellow, he was not in Manmohan Singh's cabinet, two, lucky fellow, now he will be invited by Manmohan Singh to join his cabinet at the center.

Does CMP has defined objectives & targets for giving employment and action plan to achive them? If not, then it is in reality a Common Manipulated Programme.

Hinduism is a way of life, and no body can hijack one's way of life. May I request you to post only topic related messaages.

I am a common man, a non-VIP & non-partisan Indian citizen. I have few requests for board users - a) post only topic related messages, b) stick to the issue and don't personalize the message - with other MB users, other people not participating in the discussion, groups or parties. While using the board ensure that other users are not denied the right to use it.

What the hell you are doing with this data? Send it to Lalloo. He may reward you with some nice posting in his recently acquired company, Indian Railways.

The above messages can not be a part of the decent and productive debate I requested MB users. Please post your views and refrain from posting offensive messages.

Thank you for sharing your experiences with me. I am sorry that you had to endure such treatment at the hands of some ignorant and shameless Hindus. But believe me all Hindus are not of that type. I have never considered one's status in society on the basis of birth but only on the basis of one's actions. I have seen brahmins who are not even worth calling humans.I have seen dalits who are better than any brahmin in every respect. In fact I feel pained when one is called a dalit becuase of his or her birth. In my opinion a dalit is a person who has been suppressed and who has been denied his or her rightful place in the society. By birth a dalit can be a brahmin, chhatriya, vaishya or shudra. I am also of the opinion that chatur varna was only a system of distribution of responsibilities and authorities. Some anti-social people had twisted its real meaning to serve their selfish interests. In any case this system has become irrelevant and one should not bother about it. I work as a management consultant. In my client companies making shoes, number of brahmins are working. The owners are vaishyas. Now what would you call them. I know many brahmins and vaishyas running high profile hair cutting saloons. The list is very long. So Mr. Kamalnath, do not worry about these people. If you find peace in being a christian it is perfectly OK. The important thing is that a person should behave as a human being. Also don't waste your time in abusing such Hindus as they do not deserve even a single minute of your time. They are worthless. May God be with you. I will pray to God to grant you all that you have desired in your life.

Your subject was very long. I have shortened it. Kamalnath, do I correctly understand that you were a Hindu and became a christian? If yes then please tell me the reason and objective for it. Have you achieved your objective? Why have you not changed your Hindu name to a christian name? You say that you will make India a christian country. How do you propose to do that? Certainly not by posting filthy and abusive messages on the board. You must be having some other plans. Why not share with me? I may even give you suggestions.

I was trying to visit the website you mentioned but it is not opening up. Now you tell me that it contains a list of Hindu enemies. If it is so then I am not interested in visiting this site. I am a Hindu and consider no body as my enemy.

I was trying to clear the misunderstanding about Hindu way of life. But you did not understand and started calling me also a Hindu militant. What sort of a person are you?

In a debate on this board you can neither have people 'only of your choice' nor answers 'only supporting your views'. And that is the meaning of debate. Different people may have different views and through debate a convergence of views is achieved. Please stick to the issue being discussed and avoid any personalities. Now what did you achieve by saying - this is a best example of A "BIG LIE" from Militants. Will it win the argument for you or start another series of abuse-hurling.

Hey Kamalnath, you seem to be quite worked up on something. Cool down man. Rest a bit and then say what you want to say.

Conversion in itself is a big issue. It should be discussed as a separate topic. We may request NDTV to introduce conversion as a separate topic on the board.

Hinduism is a way of life. If you follow that way of life you are a Hindu. And if you don't you are not. You may call yourself by any other name you like - a Muslim, a Christian, A buddist, A jain, A Aryasamaji. And there is no compulsion on you to follow Hindu way of life. So don't associate Hinduism with converting any Christians in to Hinduism. It a personal matter of faith. Any by the way, stop posting same message more than once.

You say that you love your country and language and that is why Kamal Nath. But do you understand the meaning of Kamal Nath?

I want a fruitful and objective debate on this topic. Post your views as a common man in a decent manner, if you can!

Bofors has really been reduced to a political rhetoric, to be raised at intervals suiting to various political formations. None of these formations are interested in the truth. They only want to use it as a tool. But a common man like me wants to know the truth. Was india put to a loss in this purchase and if so, whether some Indians were involved in it with or without conspiring with foreign people and/or groups. India's so called family No. 1 is involved in this case since beginning. Now the head of that family is enjoying super powers in the corridors of governance. In my opinion this is the right time this person should tell the truth about Bofors. She has talked a lot about her inner voice. Let her share with the people what her inner voice can tell to people about her family's involvement in Bofors case.

I wanted to read some messages on the topic - Guading Modi:Is BJP under pressure from Sangh? But he board is full of one useless off-topic message posted number of times. Now my question is - Guarding MB: Is NDTV under pressure from board users?

Dhananjoy committed two crimes, one against the girl and her family, and other against the society. His family members have approached the society, by filing a mercy petition before the President. Have they approched girl's family for mercy? Dhananjoy took away the life of an innocent girl in a brutal manner. Now as a punishment when his life is being taken away as per the process of law, he and his family members are crying for mercy. But even now they have not thought of the girl and her family. Are they repentent? What is their message to the society on the crime their son committed? If they want mercy, in my opinion they should approach girl's family, and if they get it there then only the President should consider the mercy plea under law.

Once congress has manipulated itself in the seat of power, they will deliver something or the other. Important thing is the quality of what they deliver and the intention with which it is delivered. In case of HRD ministry, the intention does not seem to be sustainable development in the field of education.HRD minster is only busy in taking back the development process to its position when congress was removed from the seat of power.

Whether tainted minsters are a liability for congress, should be examined and answered by Congress. In a common man's opinion they are a liability for the nation.And it is not only liability, it is a matter of shame for and insult to the nation and its people. India's first nominated PM, Mr. Manmohan Singh says that a person is innocent till proven guilty. No Sir, it a matter of personal ethics and cleanliness of attitude and approach. It should not be treated as matter of law. Also some senior congress leaders say that BJP can not raise its fingers as their own leaders are tainted. It is a matter of national pride or shame, and it can not be decided by congress and BJP. What they think or do is guided by their political compulsions which are in most of cases against national interest. Moreover one wrong can not make another wrong right. These tainted minsters are a shame to the nation and should be removed immediately.

NDTV Please stop displaying list of top surfers. Some users are posting same message number of times to see their name in the list. It is blocking the board and other sincere users are not able to use the board for any serious fruitful discussion. Most of the time these repeated messaages are offensive, filthy and full of abuses to people and their family members.

It is a matter of shame and not HA HA HA HA - blocking the board in this manner and preventing other users in participating in decent debate. Please stop. USE THE BOARD AND ALSO ALLOW OTHERS TO USE THE BOARD.

Mr. badvani from US, are you a common man (a non-VIP and non-partisan citizen of India)? If yes, then examine the issue in a non-partisan manner, leave aside personalities and parties, and give your opinion. First let me give my opinion - No person having any doubt, directly or indirectly,on his integrity should not become a MP or a minister.It is a mtter of personal ethics and cleanliness in attitude, and not a matter of law or acedemic discussion.

I received replies to few of my messages posted on the board. I studied the replies and posted my comments. When I wanted to be sure that my comments have been posted I was lost. I could not find out. Page after page of the board was full of off-topic, filthy and abusive messages and my replies were no where to be found. I have been requesting board users to refrain from posting offensive and off-topic messages. NDTV has created this e-platform for fruitful iscussion. Let us take advantage of that. Number of messages one has posted should not be the aim of an board user. What is important is the quality of views and the manner in which the views have been posted.

If users of this board stick to the topic, refrain from posting offensive messages, stop abusing each other & those who are not participating in the debate, the debate will become fruitful. It is the users who turn a decent debate in to a gossip debate. I once again request board users to excercise restrain in posting their views, and make use of this e-platforn for a constructive debate.

If board users read NDTV advice and refrain from posting offensive and off-topic messages life will become much better on the messageboard. The board has many topics for discussion. One should choose a topic of his or her choice. Once an user has choosen a topic he or she should stick to it and post views related to that topic only. If off-the-topic views are posted or users start hurling abuses at each other the real topic is lost and board is blocked for any fruitful discussion.It defeats the very purpose of creating this e-platform. If a user wishes to introduce any other topic for discussion he or she should approach NDTV moderator and create a new board for discussion. Please don't deny the right for decent discussion to other borad users.

The board has many topics for discussion. One should choose a topic of his or her choice. Once an user has choosen a topic he or she should stick to it and post views related to that topic only. If off-the-topic views are posted or users start hurling abuses at each other the real topic is lost and board is blocked for any fruitful discussion.It defeats the very purpose of creating this e-platform. If a user wishes to introduce any other topic for discussion he or she should approach NDTV moderator and create a new board for discussion. Please don't deny the right for decent discussion to other borad users.

I wanted to read some posts related to the topic - 'Are tainted ministers a liability for congress', but could not find one. Page after page are full of posts hurling filthy abuses at each other. Let me remind all the users about NDTV advice - Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard. I will also add another request - please post messages related to the topic.

What a stupid question? The commission is working for years and has still not found the answer, but NDTV wants it to be posted on their MB. Let me give the right answer - NDTV was responsible for Babri demolition.

Hindutva is a way of life. I am a Hindu and proud of Hindutva which guides me in relating myself to others. I am pained that Hindu way of life has been made a topic of discussion. Stop it please. There are other ways to earn a living.

So this is how you behave in a debate.

You have answered my question. Users on this board have no facts about the case, but they do not hesitate in giving their opinion. But Hon'ble President has all facts before him along with legal opinion of experts. Whatever decision he takes let us be assured that he takes that decision after considering all facts.

You thought that my way of posting is biassed one side. No Mr. Plimbline it is not so. You thought it because of your way of thinking is like that. You also say that I now I have got to the point. It is yet another indication about your way of thinking. Any way I am not here to correct or comment on others' thinking. I asked a simple question. Please reply, will you raise your finger about tainted ministers?

If you are a Hindu trying to create hatred for Muslims or a Muslim abusing Hindu Gods for false satisfaction, you have ceased to be a human being. Leave the board. You have no place here.

I do not support tainted ministers in this or that government. I am of the view that no body with a tainted background has a right to be peoples' representative, MP or Minister. Now will you answer my question?

I am a common man, a non-VIP and non-partisan citizen of India. My answer to this quaestion will be: Hindutva is a way of life. No objectives should be attached to it. It should also not be associated with any political party or any other organization. Hindtva guides me how to conducts my self in life, and what should be my relationship with other in such conducting. BJP is a politicial party. It is incorrect to associate Hindutva with it. Like other people, its members have their way of life which might be that guided by Hindutva or it may be different from that in totality or in some areas. That does not mean that BJP has abandoned or re-embraced Hindutva. There might be manu people in Congress or other political parties and groups who are guided by the Hindutva way of life. Why then it is not said that Congress nas embraced or abandoned Hindutva. Associating Hinduyva with political parties and other groups is a wrong act and it only hurtd feelings of Hindus like me. If some people want to oppose BJP that is their prerogative but they have no right to hurt my feelings. Congress's Abhishek Singhvi has hurt my feelings by comparing BJP's seven scams with seven Kands of Shri Ramayana. If no harm has come to him it is beacuse Hindutva has taught me to be tolerant and to forgive those who are ignorant. I will welcome comments.

Suppose you are to decide on Dhananjay's mercy petition. All facts are placed before you by concerned authorities. What will be your decision? Reply honestly and not just to win the argument.

Suppose the finger is raised by a common man (non-VIP, non-partisan)would you also say, no way?

Suppose highly talented Lalloo was not there would you still support tainted ministers in the cabinet ruled by one of the polished gem of the world?

Do you mean say that reservation is the gift of the great messiah Ambedkar to you. And as he faught with Brahmins to give you reservation no other person should take credit. I don't think Sunder or anybody is trying to take any credit for it. I for one is an admirer of Ambedkar but oppose reservation.I am sure that if Ambedkar was alive today he woould also have opposed resrvation the way it is being practiced now. Dr. Ambedkar was a true champion of dalit cause. He loved them. He wanted to do lot of things for them. But under no circumstances he wanted to expolit them like present day politicians are expoliting to serve their vested interests.

PMO will work at Vigyan Bhawan under elected CLP leader. Whatever has remained of PMO at South Block will function under PM nominated by elected CLP leader.

May be you are right. I am not an expert on Islam. If there is an MB user who knows about the detailed teachings of Islam should come forward and educate us.

I fully agree with you. All are equal. But there are people who think that if every citizin of India will be treated equal to every other citizen then their shops will close. They are surviving only on inequality. Such people are every where and in every political party or organization.To run their shops they divide people. It is wrong to blame one group or other for this.All are to be blamed.

Not all Muslims, like one can say not all Hindus have heart.

Such a filthy message from a user having name of Jesus in his ID!

Congratulations

Such negative attitude is the cause of all problems. Why do you always look and bother for those Hindus who abuse Muslims? There are Hindus who do not abuse Muslims. Look for them and you will find that life has become more pleasant.

rama_ramki you really have friends who are a threat to this country. If it is known to Army authorities then your friends will be in real danger. I do not want to do anything with you and your friends.

I am surprised and highly disappointed to read your post. You referred to some of your friends in the army. Were they approached or forced by someone to join the Army? Did they not know what Army is for? What were they expecting after joining the Army, a nine-to-five job at a peace station in AC rooms for their whole life with special perks? And please don't go off-the-track to movies, if your Army friends are real. I always thought that all people are ready to live and die for the country. But there are few like you and your friends who only want to live and not die for the country. I shudder at the thought of what they might do when war breaks out. Such people should be immediately reported to Army authorities. And, there is no 'onething-is-sure' that after death, there will be nothing called India. India will always be there whether your friends in Army die or not die for India when need arises.

Please don't generalise the issue on Hindu-Muslim lines. MB users posting multiple messages, dirty, filthy, offensive and abusive messages should be discouraged. Let us make it a board for decent and productive debate.

NDTV please remove these miltiple messages from the board. Also put a filter on this user ID. He seems to be out for trouble.

NDTV Please remove these multiple messages as they are blocking the board. Also put a filter on this usewr ID. He seems to be out for trouble.

May I join the argument? Rama_ramki, do you mean that you have some friends in army who are saying that why should they die for India? If it is true then it is a shocking news. It is further shocking that you find 100% truth in their statement. I would say that they are a security threat to this country. I agree with you that life is peace and happiness. But it can not be the sole purpose of life. I ask you a question, life for what? Answer me then we will move ahead with our discussion.

All right thinking board users are requested to join 'Clean the board movement'. I have sent feedback about this insane user dawood-ibrahim_aaya, to take action against him. All other users should also send feedback and impress upon NDTV that it is NDTV's responsibility to protect their board from such insane people. Hindu Gods are being abused on their board. Till what time Hindus will tolerate this?

You have again come with changed ID. Stop abusing your forefathers and get away from this board.Don't you have any self respect?

Don't bother about such people. Keep it up. Let us make this board a decent place for decent debate. Waiting for another nice post from you.

NDTV, please remove all messages of this user 'Sherry' and put a filter on his ID. This user 'Sherry' is impersonating real 'sherry' whose posts are always welcome on the board.

You are right anjun. I was really surprised to see such a post from sherry. sherry please answer and expose this imposter. Then we will ask NDTV to remove filthy posts of this pervert and to put a filter on his ID.

What is this Sherry? I am suprised to read your post. Was becoming top surfer on this board your mission?

I have not seen any board-user supporting terrorism. We all oppose terrorism. Let us create a strong opinion against this evil. Politicians and other self-serving individuals and organizations, who speak in favour of killed terrorists, in the name of human rights, are in fact supporting terrorism and should be named proxy-terrorists. Let us create an opinion against these people also. Please don't fight on this board. Post your views in an honest and decent manner, and respect other views.

Let us start the debate. Was the encounter fake?

NDTV, why have you not removed offensive messages from the board? Are you supporting such abuse to Hindus and their religion?

India can not be compared with Islamic countries. They are poles apart.

Are you trying to support shias'murder in Pakistan?

Yes, Indian Muslims should judge every issue on its merits and de-merits and should not hurry to make statements and pass judgements. It only hurts their cause and their community looses support of right thinking Hinudus.

Thanks rameez_jan. Let other right thinking Muslims also join you in protest against such messages on the board. Let us use this board to spread love and not hate.

NDTV, please remove highly offensive messages posted by the user dawood_ibrahim. Till what time you think Hindus will tolerate such abuse on your board? Put a filter on this user ID.

Terrorism is flourishing in India because of these people only. In fact they should also be termed terrorists. When innocent people are killed by terrorists these people go to sleep. Even NHRC looks the other way. But whenever a terrorist is killed and if he or she happens to be a muslim, all these proxy-terrorists start crying foul.

It is true that Muslims cry foul only in non-islamic countries. In Islamic countries they tolerate every cruelty and don't even raise a whimper. Many things being done in Pakistan by its military dictatorship are tolerated by Muslims. But same thing if happens in India every body starts protesting.

Number of Hindus who oppose Bal Thakrey for behaving in this manner will be more than the number of Muslims like you. You do not appreciate these Hindus, but start abusing the entire Hindu society and their religion. By doing so you only loose support of these Hindus.

Do you know that your forefathers were Hindus, who converted to Islam to save them from torture by islamic rulers. In a sense all these abuses are directed at your forefathers. And such behaviour of few Muslims like you is giving a bad name to entire Muslim community.

Why NDTV has removed your name from the list of Top Surfers?

Hey woundedmuslim what nonsense you are talking. You may have a difference of opinion with Bal Thakrey, but that does not give you a right to use such language on this board. It is a public message board and should be used in a decent manner. Also don't talk about Mumbai in this manner and its division. It has hurt the feelings of many who do not hate Muslims, and who treat them as equal citizens of this country. By talking like this you are not helping you and other Muslims.

But whenever some terrorists are killed and if they happen to be Muslims then all intellectuals and their political formations starts shouting foul. Media goes berserk and start showing their crying relatives who give them certificates of innocence and integrity.

And what purpose will be served by reading Holy Kuran? Everybody knows that the holy Book teaches love and not hate, brotherhood and not killing. What is being done and what people see is the main thing, and that does not encourage confidence. Sherry, you are right that Muslims should do something to impress the society/community. Only then non-muslims will change their opiniuon about Muslims and the way they are practicing their religion.

Such people give Islam and many right thinking Muslims a bad name. But unfortunately not many Muslims are coming forward to disassiciate themselves with these preachers. Then why to criticize others if they feel that Islam has become a violent religion.

No body hate Muslims. But when some Muslims engage in anti-national and terrorist activities they are criticized. Same is with Hindus.

It is unfortunate but true for some Muslims. May Allah give them wisdom and strength to love the country and its people.

It is unfortunate that any harm coming to Muslims in India is viewed only as repression by majority Hindus, whatever may be the reasons. It has become a fashion to criticize Hindus for every thing. If a Muslim is killed in encounter with police, Hindus organizations are blamed for it. But if number of Hindus are killed then no body raises any finger. Such partisan attitude is responsible for all the problems in India. If such act are judged on their merits and de-merits in an unbiassed manner then lost love between communities can be re-gained.

Please don't say that. I don't want such money and I do not want any thing to do with Lalloo. I am a common Indian citizen, who loves his country and its people. And I am privilaged to be a non-VIP Indian.

May be it the trategy of Sonia's nominated Government. Induct criminals/terrorists in the ministry and address them as Honourable Members and solve the problem.

Railway passengers ................ trains, Lalloo is coming with his laltain and lathi.

I hope NDTV's honest and truth speaking people read your messages.

A senior railway official says that it will take some time employees are asked to wear khadi. I think Lalloo should immediately make khadi clothes compulsory for passengers.

Suppose it was true and the terrorists had succeeded. What would have been the reaction of these secularists? I think they would have asked for dismissal of Gujrat Government, as they has asked for a ban on VHP and Bajrang Dal after Goghra killings.

Both are dangerous. Let there be a separate topic for both. NDTV are you reading?

He has already started with SP Government in UP.

By discussing why the flight was delayed we are moving away from the real issue. Will a similar inquiry will be ordered if common people are delayed is the issue. We are common people and should confine to issues of our interest only.

You say that they are not real secularists - Lalloo, Mulayam, communists ... they are born real secularists, my dear ruchir.

General Secretary in-charge of one state is a very low post for Rahul. Queen's son is called Yuvraj. Only job which can measure up to his status is Congress President. I was hoping that Sonia will nominate him as PM.

The topic 'Tainted Ministers' seems to have been highjacked by 'Muslim apeasement in India'.

Media in this country has always been biassed. Now the difference is that news is also being sold like any other commodity. You pay the price and media will project your views as the most important news story.How NDTV can be an exeption to this practice? They are also in the news business for money.

A common Indian citizen is not interested in such bull fights. Every politician is a rogue irrespective of the party he or she belongs. They institute inquiries against each other and common citizens pay for that. These dirty criminal politicians are eating away country's resources. They are not bothered about coming generations. More than 54% Indian citizens are below 30 years of age. If these goondas are allowed to eat away country's resources in this manner then what will be left for these young people who are the future of this country.

I wanted to read the message which prompted you to post this reply. But I could not do so as the entire board has been blocked by repeatitive dirty and offensive messages of a user with Mastermind ID.

Thanks amitmehra for telling the board users about the natural character of a disciplined secular Indian. But such dirty and offensive messages should not be allowed even if they are posted by these secular Indians.

NDTV please block this user with Mastermind ID from posting dirty messages on the board.

Yes, I agree with you. His messages should be immediately removed from the board.

I agree that corrupt ministers are a national liability, and should be removed. But I do not agree that they are a liability for a political party. No body has forced them on any party. Their leader, Lalloo Prasad has brought them with him to negotiate the price of his support to congress for forming the government. Congress readily agreed. India's first nominated PM Mr. Manmohan Singh even supported their being in his ministry.

Yes, most of the time and resources will be wasted in unproductive inquiries. It has become a political ritual after every change of Government.

Mastermind should stop using this board to post jokes, and engage himself in more constructive debate.

Mullas, pandits, priests ... treat religion as a profession because it gives them their daily bread and butter. What they say and what they do is part of their business, and no business in modern days will survive without adopting double standards. Common men while practicing their religion should not be guided by these people. They should practive their religion in a manner that it does not hurt others and should show respect to other religions. If common people adopt this attitude the life will become more pleasant and tension-free.

Praful Patel, the ugly face of coalition politics, was made a minister inspite of being rejected by the people in the polls. He has ordered a DGCA enquiry into the delay of a flight when a VIP was left stranded and could not reach his destination. Will this unwanted-but-forced minister order DGCA enquiry if common people are starnded due to flight delays?

Don't mention any more examples. Stop discussion on this issue. Every one has a right to practice his or her religion, but no body has a right to criticise other religion. It is a matter of faith. No more unnecessary and offensive posts on this topic, PLEASE.

Indian Railways have very good safety standards, but these are not sincerely enforced. There are many reasons for this - employee non-commitment, preventive maintenance not up to the mark, laxity in procurement of quality materials etc. If safety standards are implemented properly then number of train mishaps will reduce drastically.

Stop posting such dirty jokes

Stop posting such offensive messages.

NDTV MB users - please restrain yourself.

I disagree. Islam is not unfair to women and non-muslims. In fact no religion is unfair to women and people of other religions. Some people misinterpret religious teachings and act in a manner which gives bad name to religion.

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Vote banks will be dismantled along with their creaters.

You think Pawar has something still left in him to make congress bowing to him?

Only that 'some lady' can reply your question.

I am a common man. I do not use terms like secular, pseudo-secular. These terms are used by self-serving intelectuals.

Now I can understand why there is delay in delivery. Poor thing, a result of so many fathers, is afraid of being delivered.

May be he is having some scheme to make crores with this Laloo-Kullhad Rail Shining Campaign.

It is unfortunate that Mr. Vajpayee is assigning such reasons for the defeat of BJP. It happens when a person does not look inside but only outside for reasons of failures. In most of the cases reasons are inside. In my opinion BJP has lost because of overconfidence. BJP has no positive relationship with the masses including muslims and dalits.

Yes, if government is secular then why is it interested to know to which religion you belong? And then why does it differentiate in matters of law and order on the basis of your religion? Why should it create different laws for the people of different religions?

Kullhad must be feeling great as it has become the main part of Lalloo's Rail Shining.

How many barrels of beer and who will deliver it?

He is a broken man at the mercy of the queen.

Who is going to father the delivery? And Sherry, why should you feel sorry for the delay?

Pawar has no power games to play. He has become an icon of Maratha Dishonour by associated himself with Sonia against whom he had once revolted in the name of Maratha honour. Now the only power game he can play is stabbing in the back.

Sonia has established her full authority on India. It is right time she tells the people of India the truth about Bofors. Why her inner voice is silent on this isuue?

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No, Rajya Sabha is not the only last refuge for politicians. There are Rajya Bhawans (Governers' houses), Planning Commission and many such other places and jobs. The rule is 'once a politician always a politician'. Other rule is that no politician can remain without a job, whether of ruling party or opposition. Such is the strength of political fraternity.

I will certainly accept and respect peoples' verdict. Will you please tell me what verdict people have given.

Thanks, you have made it Congress's India Shining. If you allow me I would like to forward your post to Congress Headquarters.

Let the term 'power games' be removed. Power games are played to capture power and then to remain in power. Congress has already emerged a champion in this game. If deliveries of this government are to be compoared with past congress governments, then this time more nightmares will be delivered as Lallo and Left have also joined the government.

Congis great-grand-pa, you have got the question and the correction wrong.

When we are on correction-making drive allow me to incorporate another correction - " can congress-led government deliver nightmare with more ease than in the past". Justification for correction - (1) Delivery has nothing to do with Power Games. Power Games are to capture power and to remain in power. On this, congress has emerged a winner. (2) If compared with past, then it will be easier for congress to deliver nightmares with Laloo and his tainted ministers on her side.

Yes, you can say that. Afterall you are 100 years (s)old.

They have already started delivering. Cabinet has approved petrol and diesel price hike. Arjun singh has ordered review of text books. IIM fees will not be reduced. Private sector will be forced to introduce reservation. In Delhi, perks of ministers have been increased. Power rates have been increased. Day light murder and robbery in Defence Colony. Whom Delhi CM will now blame? Center also has congress government with a VRP (voters-rejected-person) as Mome minister.

Sonia has foisted criminals on this country by making them ministers in her government. They will deliver what they are capable of - loot, murder, corruption, hatred .......

Please allow me to join your discussion. I agree with mayavi. We should free ourselves from caste and other divisive factors. We should grow up and start behaving like Indians.

Whenever Lalloo's government in Bihar was in danger congress came to its rescue. In other words congress has given protection to Lalloo whenever he needed it. Now it is the turn of congress to seek support (protection) of Lalloo for survival of Sonia's government at center. To seek this protection, congress has to accommodate Lalloo's men in the cabinet. Lalloo has given names of these tainted people and congress had no option but to accept it. This is the price of protection. Anybody who is protecting Sonia's government can not be a liability. They may be a liability for the nation (and they are) but not for the govrnment.

Whosoever he is, should be stopped from posting such messages on the board. I have brought this to the notice of NDTV. They should do something about it, if possible a complaint to the police. WE, users should also provide feedback to NDTV about such users and their offensive messages.

NDTV - REMOVE THIS MESSAGE IMMEDIATELY FROM THE BOARD. STOP THIS USER FROM USING THE BOARD. IF SUCH PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO USE THE BOARD THEN NDTV WOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR HURTING THE FEELINGS OF HINDUS.

Deliver what?

No, tainted ministers are not a liability for congress. In fact they are providing protection to Sonia's government.

Are you insane? Stop this garbage.

NDTV, please clean the board. Remove these offensive messages immediately.

One can never disagree with what you have written (names removed). I am not betterlife, it is my user ID. I want better life for all. That is my mission and it is very staright and clear with my user identity

Not only your messages are offensive but your user ID is also offensive. NDTV, PLEASE REMOVE THESE NESSAGES POSTED BY T^HIS USER ID.

Who are you and what is your motive in posting such messages on the board?

Your message is highly offensive. Are you a sadist getting satisfaction by abusing hindus?

Left-controlled, criminals-supported, Congress-led government can not deliver any thing except reversing the decisions of previous government in the name of CMP - criminalized manipulated programme.

Cauvery issue will not be settled if dirty politicians are allowed their say. No politician is interested in solving this issue. Every one of them is trying to make political capital out of it. Afterall they are not affected by shortage of water. It is only common mem who are suffering.

Please don't make this board dirty with your dirty thoughts.I always thought that Goa people respect woman.

What is your USP and vital statistics?

Since when this board has started selling chaddis?

Election is over. Congress under Sonia's leadership has succeeded in manipulating peoples' verdict in installing a person nominated by her as PM. She has assumed full authority for ruling India without any responsibility. India's first nominated PM is defending all her decisions, such as, tainted ministers.There is no body to challenge her authority. Now is the time for her to come claean on her involvement or otherwise on bofors case. Let her be guided by the inner voice in this case also.

I agree with you.

I am putting up a question against NDTV's question? What about those who lost the election? By making Shivraj Patil Home minister of India, congress and its allies have demonstrated that they have no respect for the people's verdict. People's verdict is only a tool for them which they manipulate to serve their vested interests.Patil, Sayeed and Patel were rejected by the people but Sonia has made them ministers. This is the respect she has for people's verdict.

And what evidence do you have against Vajpayee?

WOH HOTA UNKI JAGEH TO AAJ PM HOTA

India's nominated PM, Mr. Manmohan Singh was also born in Pakistan, like Advani.

What is shameful - being a urdu teacher or offering the job as urdu teacher?

She has not backed out. She is very much there, ruling India through four powewr centers - a) As chairperson of CPP, b) Through HKS Surjeet, c) Through Leader of House, Pranab Mukherjee, d) through nomination, Manmohan Singh. She has packed the cabinet with all his favourate loyalists, whether they are tainted or even lost the election. The job of defending her tainted choice is given to Mr. Clean. A Compromised Manipulated Programme has been given to the cabinet for implementation. In short what is her mantra - You take the blame, I take the credit.

Your request is not humble. It is tainted with a killer instinct.

.....and accepted congress game plan of appeasement.

My wish list - a) dismantle power centers except that associated with the post of PM, b) remove tainted ministers and those who lost the election, c) in the name of de-saffronization do not redization of education, d) don't waste time in undoing what NDA has done, e) strengthen relationship, f) don't manipulate people/s verdict.

Hinduism is a way of life k_swamy. Such adjectives should not be added toit - internalized hindutva, neo-hindutava, anti-hindutva. One is either a Hindu or not a Hindu.

PLease refrain from posting such messages. Abusing Indian women in this manner is shameful. It is against our culture and traditions, which say - yatra naryastu pujyante ramante tatra devta (Gods reside where women is worshipped).

Did she nominate you hindu_hriday_samrat?

What about this message? Showing disrespect to Indian President in this manner.

If this message is offensive then what about hundreds of messages abusing BJP leaders?

If you want an answer to this question, read Cho Ramaswamy's article in congress-owned Hindustan Times.

AMEN!

You are right. I have also been requesting users not to repeat messages.

I have read the article. Thanks for bringing it to the notice of MB users. I reproduce first para of the article for those who do not want to take trouble of reading the whole article: "The spectacle on the night of May 18, of all these Congress leaders, many of them intelligent men and women, debasing themselves in front of Sonia Gan-dhi, pleading with her to lead the country, made me feel sick. If Sonia had any dignity, she would have stopped it, but she just listened, with a slightly bored expression, right till the last Congressman and woman had wallowed in dirt before her.

A good observation.

OK Mr. Ronald, I am a novice. You are an intelligent person. But please allow me to post my views on this MB. You can disregard my irrelevant and baseless messages.

Please don't get angry. I inquired only because I have a great respect for Jesus. I did not mean to safeguard you and other christians. I have many christian friends and we respect each other. As far as my message is concerned it meant to point out that Kapil sibal raised the issue of Advani being a foreigner as he was born in Pakistan. I was now pointing out that Dr, Manamohan Singh, nominated as PM by his party, was also born in Pakistan. I hope you now understand what I meant in my message. If you still feel to call me names and want to post any message you are welcome. As far as I am concerned, Good By Mr. Williams.

NDTV moderator, please remove this and other such offensive and filthy messages from the board.

This offensive message should be immediately removed from the board.NDTV moderator, please act.

Please don't criticise others on the basis of incomplete information. If you analyze the poll verdict then you will find that Sushma Swaraj and Uma bharati are only saying what voters have said through their verdict. Read my post under heading - Cho Ramaswamy's Answer.

Cho Ramaswamy says that if the electorate have clearly rejected the NDA, they have also not given the congress and its allies a clear-cut mandate to rule. It is a fact that congress has emerged as the single largest party. But its victory is not only incomplete but also not truly representative. In states like MP, Chhattisgarh, Rajasthan,Orissa, Karnataka and Punjab, it has been virtually routed. In WB and Kerala left has dominated the congress. Even in Maharashtra and Gujrat it has managed only a close second. Out of 417 seats congress has contested it has won only 145 - less than 35% success rate. What it means is that congress has been rejected in 65% constituencies. Now on Sonia's foreign origin, it is being said that people have rejected this issue. If that is true then the reverse is also true. All those voters who have voted for NDA have refused to accept Sonia since she is a foreigner by birth. What it means that in 65% of seats where congress has contested and lost, people have refused Sonia's PM candidature since she is a foreigner. The issue has been kept alive by this fractured verdict. Criticising BJP on this point is meaningless as its leaders are only echoing the verdict of the people.

Please try to understand the message and then comment. And by the way why have you chosen 'Jesus' as your user ID. Are you not hurting religious sentiments of christians?

Yes, moderators should moderate. This MB should not be allowed to be used as slanging-match platform. NDTV has put a filter on a word, surname of Sonia. Like wise it should put filters on some dirty words also.

Hey Kapil Sibal, your party's new nominated PM was born in Pakistan and is an Advani-like foreigner.Congratulations.

Are you an Indian k_swamy?

Mantriji for ........?

You are right.

Have you sent your suggestion to BJP to start agitation against Dr. Singh? You are right that Sonia is the real PM and she has nominated Dr. Singh to become PM to represent her.

If you are so clear about you (we in your message) then why don'y you do something to improve?

Rahul also said that BJP killed Bapu. He is starting his political career with hate. It is not good. Your Other views in the message do not deserve any consideration.

I am not taliking of remote control. These are your words. Read Dr. Singh's own words - Mandate of the people was for Sonia to become the PM. However, she has decided that in the best interests of the country that burden should be passed on to me. I feel humble and I will work under Sonia's guidance and support. Sonia has retained her leadership of CPP and Dr. has not been elected but nominated by her, as Deputy Chairperson of CPP.

Yes I agree that Sonia is still PM. All this talk of inner voice and rejecting PMship is all a natak. In fact India will have two PM, one elected by CPP as its leader (Sonia) and other nominated by this elected leader (Singh).

UNder new arrangement of Sonia as Chairperson and Manmohan Singh as Deputy Chairperson, India will have two PMs. Sonia will the real PM and Singh will be front desk PM. This talk of inner voice is a well though out strategy.

Name of Manmohan Singh is a well thought out strategy. He will be a front desk PM, with all pwers in Sonia's hands. She remains the chairperson of CPP. Something unusual, don't you think?

That is better. Don't use the surname.

I think Swamy is right. Why President's office has issued a denial that President did not raise the issue of foreign origin in his meeting with sonia?

When will we have common man also from minority?

It was not only outside 10 Janpath, but outside congress headquarters and also inside central hall of Parliament. It has also spread to some other cities. Some persons were trying to burn a dupatta and media claimed that they were commiting suicide. One person was holding a pistol at his head but not shooting. Will congress led alliance take decisions by organising such high profile shows?

After a long time we heard someone taliking about antaraatma ki aawaaj. It was very frequently used by Aayarams and Gayaraams in olden days.Yesterday so many people were affected by inner voice. Everybody was talking about it in that high profile show on inner voice and on the streets.

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Have you used surname of sonia? NDTV has put a barrier on this word.No message containing this word will get through.

Let congress answer the point raised by you. Where are you Kapil Sibal?

Congress has adopted cheap tricks to make people emotional and fool them for the moment but after it will be a disaster. To reach to the PM kursi, congress has alligned with anti-national communists and other power hungry leaders. This support has not come for free. The time is not far whwn these allies will start asking for their pound of flash. Sonia is very clever. She knew that it will not be easy to run the government with such allies. So she has retained all the power which goes with the post of PM by remaining chairperson of CPP and pushed Manmohan Singh as a front desk PM.She has not kicked off PM post but has ensured control over it by proxy.

Could any body see the whole drama? It reminded me of another drama when congress workers pursuaded Indira not to resign after Allahabad High Court unseated her. The pursuation ended in emergency. Is this drama an indicator how the new government will work?

I agree with you. Jaichands should be stopped from foisting a foreigner on our beloved country as its ruler.

She has at last unserstood that she will never be accepted as Indian PM because of her foreign origin. With manupulation of fractured poll verdict and by purchasing support (to cross 272) of anti-national communists and power hungry politicians, she may be able to take oath as PM but it will a wrong thing to foist herself on a nation of 100 crore plus people. Some of these people may support her and even be prepared to cimmit suicide if she does not become PM. Some may keep quiet and hide their hurt on a foreigner becoming PM of their country. Some may express their anguish but do not take any direct action. Some even may threaten direct action to oppose her becoming PM. How it will be possible for a woman to work in this scenerio for five years. She has lost her husband. As PM she would also be required to take some decisions which moght direct the threat towards her and her children. Why she should take such a risk? She is MP and her son is also a MP.Her daughter is happlily married. She is also the President of Congress. What more she can get as PM except tension. Will it be easier to work with left, Laloo, Paswan, Mulayam, Maya, DMK, PMK, MDMK and ......? Till what time these blood suckers will keep quite with hate-BJP-bone? Soon they will start demanding their pound of flash. Under this scenerio the only solution was opting out and she has opted out.

Mr. Halfwit, you half message is right. Anti-national communists, laloo, Mulayam(uninvited), Mayavati (self-invited) and other will be manipulating every move to serve their vested interests.

Now anti-national communists will rule India by proxy. The first indicator is mayhem at Dalal street.

And congress in its lust for power does not understand this.

Any person seeking cooperation of anti-national communists, laloo, maratha-dishounour Pawar, beggers Amar singh, Ajit & mayavati,and other selfish leaders is not fit for post of PM. Sonia has all such attributes and she is a foreigner too. She should use her brain and refrain from becoming PM. Her son has been elected, and she should devote her time and energy to groom him as a politician this country needs.

Please don't shame congress. They got freedom for India in 1947, and in 2004 they are returning it back to a foreigner. Have you forgetten that slogan - Indira is India and India is Indira. India is congress's personal property and they can do whatever they wish to do with it. It was hijacked by NDA for last few years. Now they have given a permanent solution. They have handed it over to a foreigner and now no body can hijack it.

please don't shame congress. They got freedom for India in 1947, and in 2004 they are returning it back to a foreigner. Have you forgetten that slogan - Indira is India and India is Indira. India is congress's personal property and they can do whatever they wish to do with it. It was hijacked by NDA for last few years. Now they have given a permanent solution. They have handed it over to a foreigner and now no body can hijack it.

If you want to know 'revenge of what', ask El Figaro of Paris. It is the perception of that newspaper. There is no question of discrimination between India-born citizens and Italy-born citizens. First has a moral right of becoming PM of India, and later has no moral right.

India has neither voted Vajpayee out nor voted Sonia in. Voters have not given absolute majority to any single party and also to any pre-poll alliance. Congress has come at number one getting maximum number of seats and BJP is second with seven less. Congress with the support of anti-national communists and other power hungry political parties has manipulated this fractured verdict in its favour. With contempt for India and its people, congress is trying to foist a foreigner on our country as a ruler. If it succeeds then India will again become slave of a foreigner ruler. Congress gifted freedom to the country in 1947 and in 2004 it has taken back its gift.

So what does all this add to?

So what, does it change the fact that she is a foreigner?

Rajiv's marriage with Sonia was their personal matter. But her becoming PM of our country is a matter which hurts Indians like me. Congress's act in alligning with anti-national communists to foist a foreigner on India as a ruler has eroded all credibility of this party which claims to have won freedom in 1847. Courtesy congress India will again be ruled by a foreigner.

congress has converted that credit into discredit by foisting a foreigner on India as its ruler. Sonia is a foreigner, and this fact can not be changed by any court. Being ruled by a foreigner hurts and this hurt will keep alive as long as she is there as PM.

Yes and this hurts. But I can certainly do something about it. I wish to keep this hurt alive till the time she is there as PM.Every minute her being there will hurt me. I will talk about this hurt and it will create an sysnergic thought process in my fellow Indians.

Sonia is not a born Indian. She is an Indian citizen as per existing law. No argument can change this fact. Congress is having number of able leaders, and any one of them could have been choosen as CPP Leader. But only sonia could be found. El Figaro from Paris has rightly described this as a revenge of the Italian woman.

Find out for yourself.

Dalit your views are also dalit.

Sunder is it you the Rama Krishna Mission Shishya?

If these young Indians start with communalism wriiten on their note books them they won't have any time left for any other work. They will only add to the crowd.

You want them to start their innings the same way their seniors started?

They did not take my message. Let us see if they take yours.

Are all demands covered in your message? This is a long list submitted even before congress government has been formed.Some more demands may come. Afterall support has a price. Aise he to nahin 272 se uper karva dainge. Is haath support le and us haath maal aur favour de.

Namaskar Mr. Namaskar from Haryana. Is there an anti-conversion law in Haryana?

So far Sonia has been reading speeches written by other congressmen. Now she will read speeches written by communists, laloo, mulayam and ...... If communists say HALT she will say Halt.

Congress is father or mother, Mr. Dalit?

This is the culture of congress. I would have been surprised if they had acted otherwise.

In poll 2004 no party got absolute majority. In last election BJP got maximum number of seats with congress following second. In this election the situation is reversed. Congress got maximum numnber of seats with BJP follwing as second. Similar to last election they will have to depend on other pparties for support. This time alliance (support for a price) arithmatic is in favour of congress. But congress has faltered in making a right choice of its leader who will become PM. They have elected Sonia as CPP leader, and by doing so they have reversed their role in freedom movement. In 1947 congress was instrumental in getting freedom from foreigners' rule. In 2004 congress has returned the freedom to a foreigner ruler. Freedom for India could last only for 57 years. Courtesy congress. Did India vote for it? NO. Sonia by her own statement was not contesting to become PM. If she is accepting PMship then it amounts to cheating Indian people. Congress has manipulated poll verdict with the help of anti-national communists and other power hungry anti-national politicians. Vajpayee is still the most favoured person to be PM of this great country.

She is the second Indian after Sangma to behave as a proud Indian. I salute them. I am of the opinion that all BJP MPs should resign. No Proud Indian can be a part of this anti-national act of congress and other power lusty parties.

People have given a fractured verdict. Congress has emerged the single largest party with BJP following second. Both of them did not get absolute majority. If Sonia becomes PM then it will be a result of manipulation of this fractured verdict. How Proud Indians can accept it? Being ruled by a foreigner amounts to India again becoming a slave country.

No, India did not elect Sonia PM. There was no question of electing her as PM as she herself denied that she was in election to become PM. If she becomes PM then it will be cheating Indian people. Congress has so many good people and one of them could have been choosen as leader of CPP.

HT has published photos of foreign newspapers in its edition of May 15 about Sonia and election 2004 - A Dublin paper - Gandhi finally set to return. A Toronto paper - Dynasty revived. A Paris paper - The Italian woman's revenge. A Canadian paper - Congress party trounces BJP. A Berlin paper - India is again Gandhi land. An Italian paper - Economic miracle did not save Vajpayee. The gist of all above news headings is that whenever Sonia goes abroad people there will look at her as an Italian who became PM of India.From now onwards India will be repesented by a person who is not an Indian by birth but only by residence. Congress has outsourced India Representation to an Italian.

No, a born Italian can never become an Indian. She can become an Indian citizen but not an Indian. There is a big difference. Moreover she is still an Italian citizen. Citizenship of two countries, one by birth and other by residence. And congress could find only such a person to be its leader and then force her on India as its PM. Congress claim to have won the freedom from foreigners in 1947 and in 2004 it has retrurned that freedom to another foreigner.

I am not a BJP supporter. One of many things I did not like in BJP campaign was their stand that election was between Vajpayee and sonia. You are right that ABV is a leader and Sonia is a reader of written speeches. ABP is a born Indian and Sonia is a foregner. Sometimes I feel that BJP is responsible for forcing a foreign ruler on India. Because of BJP, freedom gained in 1947 lasted only for 57 years. Now India is again a slave under foreigner's rule.

I do not support this or that party. What I said applies equally to all parties. Sonia is a foreigner and this fact can not be changed by any court verdict or support by any number of people. By the way, I will never compare Sonia (a living person) with Taj Mahal (a stone monument housing graves).

HT has published photographs from foreign newpaprers. A Dublin paper says 'Gandhi family set to return'. A Toronto paper says 'Dynasty revived'. A Paris paper says 'The italian woman's revenge'. A Berlin paper says 'India is again Gandhi land'.

I don't think India voted Vajpayee out. BJP is second largest party in number of seats won, and the difference is not much. Today arithmatic of alliance is favouring congress. Tomorrow the arithmatic may favour BJP. Parties which are supporting congress are not doing so because of their loyalty towards the country or their love and concern for Indian people or to honour the people's verdict. They are only doing it to serve their vested interests and to satisfy their lust for power. See Sharad Pawar who, as a proud Maratha, broke away from congress on Sonia's foreign origin issue. See Mulayam Singh who thwarted the attempts of a past President in installing Sonia as PM of India.Now these two are ready to serve under Sonia for a price. See CPM leaders who are crying over their mistake that they did not join the govt last time. See JMM whose leaders are virtually begging before Sonia to give something to them. The moment they feel that their interests would be better they will desert congress. The fact is that a fractured verdict has been given by the people of India. Political parties are only manipulating this verdict to suit them. The unfortunate part is that under this alliance a foregner has become the Ruler of India. The freedom lasted only for 57 years. Congress who claim to have earned freedom for India in 1947 has given it back to foreign rulers in 2004.

Why do you call them turks? As per Oxford dictionary, a turk is a native of Turkey, a person of turkish descent, a ferocious, wild or unmanageable person. These people are young Indians. They are entering Parliament as learners. I hope they do not learn the ways of many of their seniors. They should learn to behave in a dignified manner so that people who elected them are not let down. Parliament has a dignity of its own. Let us hope that these young people preserve that dignity.

If it is not madness then what would you call it, cleaverness, the way you explain it - "without this how else do u get votes from villagers"?

There are some names one should respect. It is a question of faith.

Don't ask me. Ask someone you respect.

Show Sreenivasan's and your message to someone you respect and ask his or her opinion.

No body will mind decent criticism of Mr. Vajpayee or any other leader. What is objectionable, O saint, is the filthy language you are using. Please stop this abuse and put your views in a decent manner.

Where does racism come in to it?

Talking of providing free rice and electricity is the most irresponsible act any government can indulge in. A state already under heavy debt can not afford such madness. But these are the ways of politicians. How one can feel proud in having a foreigner as PM. It is a matter of shame no doubt. But shame to those who are responsible for this, not to us.

Balaji_ Vivekanandhan, what a nice name.

May be you are right. I am not a political person so I do not understand the intrcacies of politics. Thanks for the information.

Hey tiger stop this filth.

No no r_agni. Please restrain yourself. A bad message does not correct another bad message.

Why DMK Chief has given such a statement? Any guess fellow MB users!

Thanks reliance for giving such assurance. People of AP should fully rely on you.

And TIGER = .....

Such a filthy message from sreenivasan. You are not even doing justice to your name.

All right thinking Indians will have a sleepless night. You enjoy your wold cup final.

Since when tigers have started talikng in such filthy language?

Saint is cursing again!

But what will happen to poor people of AP?

I hope it does not come true. Let us wish good luck to people of AP.

Do you realize that in narrating jokes on Mr. Vajpayee you have wished him a rule for at least 25 years? I knew that you respect him from the core of your heart.

Do you get mental satiscation after posting such messages?

Do such messages deserve an answer?

TRS main issue is creation of a separate Telangana state. Congress is required to meet this part of the agreement with TRS. Perhaps TRS is having doubts about congress's capability to honour its commitments, and this has prompted its leader to comment that he will not hesitate in dis-associating from congress if it does not honour its commitment. Next interesting thing to watch is whether congress will invite TRS to join the government, and whether TRS will accept such offer.

It is nice to know your views. I will collect information on the issue and send to you.

What India needs today is positive attitude in thoughts, speech and actions. People should be ready to give rather then take. Only such attitude can create a single sense of purpose for every Indian. Think what will happen when 100 crore people will think alike and act to achieve a common goal.

Leader of a community is not necessarily communal. It is their thinking that make them communal. And it is not limited to leaders only. In my opinion every single political party in India is communal in one sense or the other.

If users of this MB engage in a decent debate then some positive and productive solutions can be found to many problems. These users can work as representatives of the common people on this MB and elsewhere. The need is to develop a positive attitude.

Any system can work well if people have positive attitude. In India politics has become a business, and fot its survival and growth politicians are ready to do anything immoral and inhuman. There are no leaders who can lead through examples, and who can create a single vision for the entire Indian people.But the situation can still be improved. The need is to think positive and act positive.

Many Indian people, who went to some Arab countries for jobs, were duped by travel agents. These people found themselves in Iraq to do manual labour in kitchens and other places in various USA and UK Army camps.Many of them were Muslims. When they protested, they were told by Americal soldiers that they have these people for hefty sums. Now muslims don't touch pork but soldiers forced them to cook pork. Forcing somebody to work against his faith is a crime against God. When these workers protested they were tortured in inhuman manner. Some of these workers could come out of the camps and reached India and told their tales. There are many such workers there in Iraq and going through hell at the hands of American and Britidh soldiers. Soldiers also took away their earnings.

I fully agree with you. I hope,in case of congress forming Govt. saner sense will prevail and CLP will elect Mr. Singh as its leader.

Let us discuss, but with certain conditions - 1) No abusive and offensive messages, 2) no personal attacks, 3) no dis-respect to relogious faith of people, 4) Put your views and support, if possible, with documentary evidence, 5) any other condition considered necessary by you and other MB users.

Your message is still not priya. Please write something priya for a change.

Anti poor and labour policies have nothing to do with any particular community. Every community has poor people.Now a new Government has come. It will reverse all these anti-policies.Best of luck to poor people of AP.

It is nice to read such messages. Thnks.

To whom you have directed this message Mr. Annadurai? I don't bother about exit polls. What to talk of favourite leaders, I do not consider any body to be a leader whom I will support.

I feel sad. Two precious lives lost. Life is a gift of God. No body has any right to snatch it. May God give peace to the families of these unfortunate young people. Have you written to NHRC seeking its internention?

Are you sure new CLP will elect him as its leader, when Sonia is there?

Be decent peacenik316. Such language is not bringing any honours to you and to the person you respect, and want all indians to respect.

Whether it is the end of the road in AP, time will only tell. But I would like to post my views on what you have said in your message. In a big country like India, no worthwhile development is possible in 10, 20 or even 50 years. Any development project is started by one government and carried on by successive governments. Depending on the specifications of development project, its results will start showing in the period of one or more subsequent governments. Now if the lucky government claim the entire credit then it will be wrong. On the other if the government, which started the development project, deny any credit to successive governments then it is also wrong. The most important thing is that every body should be ready to give and take the credit, and also the blame if project was delayed or not successfully completed. Unfortunately it does not happen in India. Indian politicians have very narrow thinking. In the present context, if NDA talked of India- Shining and Feel-Good, they should have acknowledged the contribution of previous governments in areas where the work was started by them. On the other hand, rather then adopting an attitude of outright rejection and negating the progress, previous governments should have praised NDA and said that it was nice of NDA to take what they started to new heights. It would have changed the entire election scene.

What is this pixel110 from Hyderabad? Please do not give incomplete information in your messages. Please provide full details so that other board users can understand what you wish to say.

very nice. Glad to know you if this is your right introduction. I also believe in same way. But with no offence meant, I would like to know onething. Why have you choosen your user ID as gonzago and what is the meaning of this word?

Please bigboss, try to understand me. I try to be pro-all and anti-none. Love is a form of God. Hate is un-natural. Love takes you to God. Hate takes you away from fellow human beings. It is because of this belief that I feel pained whenever I see someone hating someone else. Forget what others say. The most important part is what you say. Say with love and not with hate.

You already hate Advani or will start hating him after 13 May?

Is it the reason you hate Atal. He did not solve your video card problem.

I am looking forward to see if Rishi grants the request of Rahul.

Are you one of those people>

You opine that NDA is an opportunist alliance just to enjoy the fruit of governance.You are welcome to your views. But your intensity of hate betrays your realself. Think about it and you will find that real situation is in fact reversed.

You are right in saying that Hindutva is a way of living, not a religion. But why should we discuss it on this MB? I request all users of this MB not to drag Hindutva in their arguments. It hurts the feelings of Hindus like me. You can put forward your views without supporting or opposing Hinduism. The topic here is whether with change of government AP growth prospects will be affected. Pleae confine to the topic.

NO offence meant, but can I request you answer two questions - 1) Are you an Indian settled in Canada? 2) Are you a canadian having spare time to waste on this board? Your credentials will help us in better understanding of your views.

Dear Mr. Gonzago from Canada, you do not seem to like Vajpayee and Savarkar. But why should you spread your hate across the board by calling them names. You may have documented evidence to support your hate, but Savarkar is dead and Vajpyee was choosen by Indian people to lead them. Your time and energy is precious. Use it to provide some positive and productive feedback to the users of this board.

Every body has his or her views. You have your views. Why should anybody call you unpatriotic, stupid and fool? You also should not call the ignorant dimwits. I request all users to conduct debates on this MB in a decent manner. We should respect others' views and put forward our views.

Why you always post messages with negartive attitude? Develop a positive attitude and even then you can put forward same views.

I agree with you. Using abusive language, posting same message number of times, using big and coloured fonts is not a decent way of participating in a debate. Hating somebody is not a natural human process. It only harms the person who hates. If hate overtakes thinking then one will not be in a position to contribute good thoughts in a debate. Some people are using dirty words as their user ID. Some are impersonating as other known individuals. This is distorting the purpose and image of this MB. I will request all users to refrain from posting offensive and abusive messages.Your views are important. Post your views in a decent manner. Thanks.

In a debate people have different views. These views are not meant to be personal. Why should you react in such a strong manner?

Is using dirty words necessary to prove your point? You are not even doing justice to your name - rishi. Saints do not speak such language. There was no communal issue in assembly election in AP.

TRS's dream of separate Telangana goes far with congress getting absolute majority of their own. Such fear is very evident from TRS chief statement that he will withdraw support if Telangana does not become a reality. But congress does not need hid support. They will pursue their own agenda.

Are you predicting growth of IT in Karnataks on the cost of AP. If it comes true then I feel sorry for the people of AP.

It reminds me of a saying - power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Giving such sweeping majority is not in the interest of anybody, the people, the state and also for those who have been given such brutal majority. TRS chief has already indicated that for them separate state of Telangana is must and on that issue they can support or withdraw support to any party. The election has brought out many problems in open, and no body capable of performing well on all fronts seem to be on the scene.

You seem to be obsessed with cow urine.

What about maltreatment of Indian workers by american soldiers in Iraq?

You seem to be confused, bigboss. In AP there will be a Govt of congress + TRS and not BJP.If any AP water is to be gifted to mushy it will not be by Atalji but congress & TRS.

Is the tone and language of your message an indication what new government will do in AP?

Why are you taking exception on what she said and using offensive language about her?

A wrong act can not be corrected by another wrong act. Adding adjectives (like muslim extremism) to extremism has not solved the problem. Why then add 'Hindu' adjective to extremist acts committed by some other people. Extermists have no religion. By adding these adjectives people are only hurting the feelings of right-thinking Hindus and muslims.

Are you feeling for indian workers also who were tricked into slavery in USA and British camps?

I think that EC's report on election 2004 will be quite interesting. I am eagerly waiting for the recommendations of EC to improve the election process. I hope that this time it will not be a mere ritual but some essential aspects will be addressed by EC.

What do you mean?

Bullies only take idiotic decisions and suffer for taking such decisions. Iraq is another Vietnam in making. But Americans, the international bullies, will never understand.

Voters are a divided lot. Their capability has also been divided. Exit polls are also predicting that their verdict will also be fractured. No politician will respect the verdict. They will only use it to capture power and for that purpose they will interpret the verdict in their own way.

I feel that voters should change their mindset. They should remember that they have elected a representative and should not allow that representative also to forget it. Politicians and media have termed election a battle. The real battle will now start - the battle between voters and their representatives.

But politicians do not respect the verdict of majority of people. After results are announced these politicians will start interpreting majority results in their own way. New equations will be created. New alignments will be formed. The aim will be to win the number game. Voters game is over. To play again they will have to vote for five years.

The word 'rule' is used by politicians, and that too after winning the election. Before election they use the word 'service'. I am unable to understand why common people use this word. Have people have elected their representatives or rulers?

Perhaps you mean depleted strength. You should not associate word 'pride' with politicians.

In any election voter is the main stakeholder, but he is most neglected. In election 2004 also it has happened. For politicians, politics has become a business. There are many business houses running this business - BJP, Congress, SP, BSP ..... These politicians are only interested in survival of their business. They are not bothered about voters. They treat voters as a tool to post higher and higher profits on their balance sheet. Election commission is also not bothered about voters. CEC holds meetings with politicians but does not consider it necessary to talk to voters. Its primary function is to hold free and fair elections, but where is the freedom and fairness. A large number of voters have been denied their right to vote because ECI had failed to discharge its duty in an effective manner. Courts also gives rulings that if the name of any voter is not in the list he has no remedy. What type of right is this that a simple act of negligence on the part of an EC employee can snatch it away. Media is also not bothered about the voter. They will print and show on TV every single word uttered by politicians but not a single word spoken by a voter. How many interviews with common voter were printed or were shown on TV? The talk shows are also filled by politicians abusing each other. Election 2004 is over. Voters have again lost. Voters should now start preparing for insults and embarrassment at the hands of their representatives. They will now fight for the return of their investments. Voters are already out of their thoughts. But beware, Every crime they commit will be in the name of voters. They will remember this voter tool only after five years.

Please be reasonable Mr. Matermind. Using your chosen words, murder of 4000 sikhs was also the work of demented minds indoctrinated in hate by a demented congress party after murder of Indira Ji. You say that Whether 1 or 4000, murder is murder and is to be deplored. Please do that. Again using your chosen phrase, death of 3000 people in Gujrat was also not the work of one man and the case is still going on.

Which lie and which truth? Will you please elaborate?

Priya, do you agree with sanjayindia?

You agree with priya, but priya does not agree with you and keeps on posting same message again and again.

Dear priya, the language you use is not priya.

Total agreement with your disagreement.

Thanks Ayyub for making us wiser. Sonia Gandhi wants to unite the divided world, and we were thinking that she was trying to divide the united India. She wants to become PM of India so that she can become PM of Italy, UK, USA, China and the entire Islamic world.I will vote for her in tomorrow's election.

NDTV, please clarify.

An FIR has been filed. Whether it is fair or unfair will be decided by the law of the land. I wish to point out another aspect of this incident. A person who is aspiring to become a member of parliament to represent people has tried to remove the veil of a female voter and intimidated her when she was casting her vote. What she will do in the parliament?

Direction to file FIR did not come from court. EC gave this direction.

What is your definition of the term 'communal'? With your argument the definition will be that any party which does give cabinet rank only to one community is communal.

You are right. A Hindu is a progressive and tolerant person. There can not be any Hindu extremism.Only people ignorant of its teachings will indulge in violance and abuse other religions. I feel that individuals like Singhal and Togadia are not Hindu in its real sense. Also organizations like VHP and RSS are not Hindu organizations. Indian and world media should understand this finer differentiation and should stop blaming Hinduism for their acts. I am happy to know that you are a Rama Krishna Mission shishya. This is an organization which can be called a Hindu organization in its real sense.

Thanks. I am looking forward to more nice messages from you. For quite sometime, MB is being infested by some individuals by posting indecent and abusive messages and that too in large-coloured fonts and also posting same message number of times.It is bad. I have sent feedback to NDTV to do something about it. I hope that they will do something to check this.I request other MB users to impress upon NDTV to take some action.

Thanks, I am now getting some clear idea of your views and how you feel. I also feel the same way. I am a Hindu. Hinduism is a way of life for me. Its teachings give me strength to love all and hate no body. This is what Swami Vivekananda taught. Incidentally I have read complete works of Swami Vivekanada. I do not like or dislike RSS or any other organization. They have their own views and act according to them. If they act in unlawfull manner then law will take care of it. I don't have any time to waste on them or their views.I am a Hindu and try to live like a Hindu, and that is all for me.

I 100% agree with you. But still no takers of your logic.

Mr. Jyoti Basu said that congress record was better then BJP and he had no objection to Sonia Gandhi becoming PM as he does not consider her foreign origin as an issue. It was CPI which said that congress should support any non-NDA government from outside. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Do you refer to the post in which you said that Nigerian killings are outside India and why should we feel concerned? I thought that oppoposition to fundamentalism is against a negative thought process and covers all human beings.Does your opposition to fundamentalism covers only Indians?

Thanks Mr. Sunder. you have righly clarified that it is a fight between RIGHT and WRONG, and should not be given a religious colour. It is also good that you oppose religious fundamentalism and are on the right side. No offence meant, Mr. sunder, but why do you allow yourself to be carried away by the hatred for RSS? In a simple spelling mistake you find an excuse to blame RSS. Forget about them and try to enlighten others with good thoughts of yours.

Why such concern for Mamata Di only? What about TDP? You say it will join third front.

You seem to have a very wide info network controoled from Canada. Or you are also camping in India to get first hand information?

And that informer is feeding you inside news about Indian election straight to Canada.

Let us see if there are any takers of your logic especially those who are blaming entire Gujrat and all Hindus for inhuman acts of some people. By the way, and no offence meant, why do you say 'Let us say I am a Hindu'? You are either a Hindu or not a Hindu. Are you a hindu, Mr. Gonzago from Canada?

You are right. Fanaticism and hatred for all in name of religion will not make life of anybody better. But you did not answer the question.

Is it a guess or you have some inside information?

A good idea. Some such quantifiable and measurable parameters can be fixed for these mushrooming political parties.

A good question. Any takers!

Amen

The answer lies in the answer Rahul himself has given - "I have campaigned in places where the Congress already had a chance of winning. It's not like I have a magic wand," said the Gandhi scion." Now is the time to rest. Sorry people of Amethi.

"I have campaigned in places where the Congress already had a chance of winning. It's not like I have a magic wand," said the Gandhi scion."

Another Italian living in Delhi and calling himself or herself an Indian.

If she had any doubts about the female voter she should have complained to the election officer-in-charge at the booth. She had no business to herself start intimidating the voter.

Hi NDTV, Rahul himself has answewred your question - ""I have campaigned in places where the Congress already had a chance of winning. It's not like I have a magic wand," said the Gandhi scion." Source - NDTV National News.

What we saw on TV was really shocking. She forcibly removed the burqa of that woman voter. She was also shouting at the voter. It looked like as though there was no order in the booth and she could do anything with that helpless womwn voter. I was afraid that Mehbooba will hit her. Is this not sufficient for lodging a FIR against her. I was sure that she would be arrested.

Conducting exit polls is a business and this business blooms only during election time. A large number of people are earning their livelihood by selling their product - report of exit polls. Like any other product this report is also created for satidfying the needs of their customers - the politicians. Politicians are also carrying out business. There are many companies engaged in this business - BJP, Congress, SP, RJD ......... Exit poll are a business supporting another business of politics. Naturally these will lead to alignments - conglomerate of political businesses.

Shame to American and British soldiers for their brutal treatment of Iraqi prisioners and Indian workers. Forcing a muslim to cook pork is a sin against his faith. Urinating on another human being u\is against human dignity. American soldiers forced Indian muslin workers to act against their faith and therefore commited a crime.This crime should not be condoned. Bush and Blair should apologise for their crimes against humanity. Indian Government has rightly asked USA administration for a report on this inhuman act. I read in a newspaper that some Indian ex-soldiers are thinking of getting an assignment in Iraq. I hope this news is wrong. I INVITE ALL MBians TO POST THEIR MESSAGES CONDEMNING AMERICANS AND BRITISH SOLDIERS AND DEMAND PUBLIC APOLOGY FROM BUSH AND BLAIR.

Did SC consider this point?

In jokes also you are biassed, Mastermind. Why not post some jokes featuring Sonia Gandhi, Kapil Sibal, Abhishek Singhvi, Mulayam, Laloo and ......?

NDTV please save MBians from this deadly misc(IND). He has infested the board with ads.

You are at it again Ghazi_Bastiqan from Agra. Refrain from posting offensive messages. There are already problems as some people are calling for Hindu rule. And now you have come calling for Islamic rule. Who are you and what are your intentions?

Please Ghazi_Batsiqan from Agra, don't bring issues in the discussion which are not relevant. India is not a Islamic nation. Don't look at this issue from what is happening in Islamic nations.Post a message if you have any views on exit polls in Indian election context.

Please change your ID or use decent language in your messages. By using ID JaiBadriVishalki, you are hurting Hindu sentiments.

Please don't be angry with VP Singh. He was PM, but in election 2004 no body is giving him any importance. Media has forgetten about him. He also wants to noticed. So he gives a statement. Media immediately picks up those statements which are critical of BJP and support congress, so he says that BJP should be stopped at any cost and congress record is beter. See how fast his statement was picked up by media. Now VP Singh is again in news, for how much time only time will tell. May be then he will need another statement.

Are you reading redindian? Please do MB a favour and stop it, unless you have a target to meet.

How many times you will identify the traitor poet? By now you must be red in your face dear redindian.

Why do you post same message so many times?

Exit polls are a product of a business process. These are needed by politicians as campaign tools as Bihar politicians need goondas and guns in elections. Congress approached EC to ban exit polls. BJP supported them as peoples' voice. After second round of polls Congress started supporting exit polls and BJP said that these were not giving the correct picture. May be these parties will again change their views after third round of polls are over and exit polls are out of the factory. Allignments, reallignments and re-reallignments .........

NDTV - Stop this user kureela from posting such messages. He is abusing Lord Rama and Lord Krishna. How can NDTV allow such people to use their MB for posting such abusive messages?

What will you achieve kureela by hurling such abuses?

Jethmalani is a real tough guy. I read somewhere that he fought the case in the court for those who were accused of plotting and killing Rajiv Gandhi. After defending killers of the husband he has forced the wife to fight his case in Lucknow.

I read somewhere that 'J' fought the case in court of those who were accused of plotting and killing Rajiv Gandhi. In return, Sonia is fighting the case of 'J' in Lucknow. See the toughness of the guy, forcing wife to fight for him after defending those who killed her husband.